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Some should get a life
CorbinCandor 568 reads
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Sounds like you've got one. (Why try to read too much into it?)

I just saw a girl I'd seen a few years back.  She's now only seeing clients she knows (ie. she's not on any sites).  She's my total ATF.  After my hour with her we went to the local climbing gym for an hour and then went to a 24hr spa (we paid separately but drove in her car.)  We didn't get home until 2 am.  What does this mean ? I'm confused.

Although there are a lot of jaded hookers and brokenhearted johns who cry out that it's all business and after getting your ashes hauled no one (except them because they're special, doncha know) ought to relate to each other as another human being.

It doesn't mean that she wants to move in with you probably, and it doesn't mean she's working you, necessarily. It's like companionship. It's like kicking it with a friend, if you've ever had one of those.

Something about fucking brings people closer together. Mysterious? Yes, but I think The University of Tronoto is doing a study as to why that is, and I'm sure that as soon as they publish it'll be a thread on this board.

And consider yourself lucky! Sounds like you enjoyed some OTC time for only a hour donation! Most definitely the exception rather then the rule.

Posted By: dubhouse
I just saw a girl I'd seen a few years back.  She's now only seeing clients she knows (ie. she's not on any sites).  She's my total ATF.  After my hour with her we went to the local climbing gym for an hour and then went to a 24hr spa (we paid separately but drove in her car.)  We didn't get home until 2 am.  What does this mean ? I'm confused.  

..never saw Seinfeld. Haven't owned a TV since 1988. Last thing I remember seeing was Kirk Gibson's HR.

I'll repeat my theory: this little world works backwards from civvy dating, where you get to know someone and then you fuck.  Here we get the fucking out of the way first and sometimes, if there's a connection, OTC socializing takes place.  I've done it lots of times.  Just don't make more of it than friendship and don't get romantically involved.  That rarely works.

Sounds like you've got one. (Why try to read too much into it?)

First, congratulations; when one of these girls (assuming she is a good one and not a gold digger), seeks your companionship after business, means you've treated them with respect.    While allot of guys on here will disagree with me, they (girls) truly appreciate not being treated like an object.

With that said, as someone who this happens to often, here are some nuggets of advice/insight:

1. Don't read too much into it.   Her guard is still up as well as yours should be.   Remember money was originally exchanged and that does confuse things.

2. Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES, Initiate any sex act with her while she is with you on her own time.   No hints, etc.   If she decides she wants to fuck you off the clock, she will let you know.  (A kiss hello/goodbye is okay, ass grabbing, no)

3. Don't be afraid to talk to her about what is occurring.   This goes with #2, reassure her that any off the clock time, while appreciated, won't interfere with the business side.

One of the good things about the "hobby" is that us guys can avoid the talking portion (since we really suck at it).  But once you step out of the bounds of client, you are back on their terms and thus, just like someone you would date in real life, you have to communicate.

4. UNDERSTAND she is fucking other guys.  She is not going to necessarily stop because you two are now friends.  If you are not comfortable with the thought of her fucking another guy literally moments before your session or right after, then I recommend not letting it go any further.  

5. Don't expect it to last too long.  Just enjoy the time together.

6. Don't pressure her for any "commitment" and if you make plans together, be ready for her to back out due to business.   Remember her job is to basically be on-call, and as much as they say they set their own hours, the lure of money usually trumps it.

With that, good luck!

Thanks everybody !  Good to know.  And no, we did not have another round at the end of the night.

which is why she is your ATF and why you keep coming back.  She has you hooked

She could of have genuinely wanted to spend time with him Off TC.

Unless he is a whale and she is playing a very long game, that was allot of time to spend (even for an ATF), along with paying for herself.

Then again, this is why I say to have your guard up in these situations because you never know until it completely converts from client to true, off the clock friend with no business dates.

to treat a client.

Is that what it comes down to? trying to get all you can out of him?

On our first date while in Vegas after all the fun and play time was over this special woman wanted to go gambling with me so off we went. Long story short, we didn't end our evening till 7am. We gambled, crashed a party and just hung out. No intention was made for anything other to enjoy our company. So did she hook me? Hell yeah...It's now to a point that whenever I'm in Vegas she's the first person I want to see and yes we've had one other night similar to the first. But NOTHING will ever beat that first night. But I know what it is so I have no expectations other to see her again and again...and let the chips fall where they may. And I would hope that she knows that she's always invited for some more craziness

What happened with you occurs every now and then, and you probably shouldn't read anything into it.  Since you're seeing her on an ongoing basis (right?), she probably just wanted some company rather than going out alone, and you were at the right place at the right time.   Fortuitous is how you should interpret it.  

One last thing: if this ever happens again, you should pick up the tab, just as you would on any other outing with a lady.

If I spend OTC with a john it is because I like his company. It does not mean I want to date him, or I want to give the sex for free, it simply means his company is fine and that the reason I am doing OTC is a marketing reason, in other words I want to keep him as a client because the BCD is easy.  

As a general rule, I will not OTC with difficult clients, (they are not seen after the first visit) or guys I find I can't talk to.  

The very few I do are well worth keeping as clients.

TheApe461 reads

Makes sense business wise.  It is also smart for both parties.  If you are comfortable off of the clock then the on the clock experience will be excellent and more frequent.   This can work for the divorcee or single guy who might enjoy the of the clock. For a married guy, this could be a problem unless you are far away from home.

I'm really just trying to figure out if she really does want to spend time OTC on a regular basis and how do I approach that if I'm up for it to.  She even mentioned meeting somewhere down in Mexico when we both might be there at the same time. . . .  

How do I tell, if she contacts me about doing something, if she is soliciting me or wanting OTC hanging ?

All this advice is good though, especially the part about if she wants to fuck me OTC she will let me know :) Thank you.

There are a couple of layers here but its not complicated.

If I take a customer to lunch, it means I appreciate having his business.  Not that I want to get romantic.  In this case it sounds like you are not a complete jerk and are therefore appreciated.  Several others including hbyist+truth=;( have pointed this out.

To my surprise no-one seems to have mentioned that women make great friends.  My friends are mainly female.  I don't date them or sleep with them (tried that - bad karma).  Women are fiercely loyal to their friends.  They are a great source of information on how females think.  Just ask.  Of course, they can give you a piece of their minds one day and be happy like nothing happened the next.  However if they think you are trying to screw them over you are dead meat.

So if you get to spend time OTC with your ATF/Business associate that is cool.  However don't try to screw her out of her fees.  Just be friends.  Its how business partnerships work.

TheApe377 reads

Proper advice.  Good to have a few female friend hobbyist.  Sometimes they can give you some insight on women that can help your civilian relationship.

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