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Marriage is a dying institution.
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Saying "I do" is a public announcement that two individuals are convinced that they can each fulfill all the needs and wants of the other forever.  That's pretty much a pipe dream methinks.  And the divorce statistics bear that out.

IMHO the only valid argument in favor of marriage is to give legitimacy to ones offspring.  Beyond that, I see little compelling reason for marriage.  Stepping into marriage has eventually made life miserable for countless human beings.

Is there such a creature as the perfect imperfect wife?  Maybe...if you can live with the drama that usually seems to invade a marriage, but the sex was the best you'd ever had, assuming that you're getting any to begin with

So I'm actually curious what men actually want in a wife throughout the seasons.

If a woman could satisfy all of your needs, what would those needs be? And not just sexual - because we all know it is not the whole, but other needs being met may make the sex even better. It is the adhesive, for sure.

Some points I'm hoping to read out of interest, is of course sexual, but also how that sex can be enhanced throughout the day, week, months, and years. How can she fulfill, (without being perfect, yet very imperfect,) the duties that are believed to be what a man needs by his side for his life.

Of course, this has risk to omit some feminism and also some people's belief in marriage. But - it can still be answered by those by thinking maybe if you believed in marriage. I'm personally asking what you know you want in your heart.

Imperfections are something that makes life beautiful, so there isn't any perfect recipe...

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FIDCUOF1237 reads

I'm not married, however, I would want my wife to satisfy these needs:

1.  Intellectual needs  (Holds a conversation well/smart, funny)
2.  Good home maker (cooks, cleans, helps with stuff around the house)
3.  Likes to go out and have fun (dinner, movies, hiking, beach, etc)
4.  Loves to give BJs  
5.  Likes to be playful in the bedroom (try different things, open minded, easy going)
6. Has a career not a job.
7. She has a lot of good friends around her
8. Comes from a good family

These are the top 8  :  ;)

And I don't mean the P4P world. She would need to be at home in my community and my society, and would need to be somehow involved in the same professions.

I think this is one reason that marriages in small farm towns work well. The kids grow up in the same world and share a perspective on life.

Although I enjoy being with people who are quite removed from my life, I would want to be in a marriage where both of us work towards the same goal, and each carries our on own social entity.

That said, she would fulfill me by being a whole self and a friend who respects me in the same way.

Can't imagine a fulfilled couple composed of two unfulfilled selves.

Pretty simple, really. Not sure why it almost always sucks...I can count on one finger the number of truly happy marriages I've observed.

HandleWithCare1177 reads

"The Normal Bar: The Surprising Secrets of Happy Couples and What They Reveal About Creating a New Normal in Your Relationship"

So it deals with your question, but expands it to cover both sides of the equation, and all types of couples, including same sex, and unmarried couples. I got a lot out of it.

And I totally agree that it's imperfections that make life beautiful... and interesting. Life would be pretty boring if we were all perfect.

Thus the statement:  It's the little things that count.

So, in a marriage, each partner has to do the little things that show the other how much they care.  That care has to be acknowledged and returned in kind.  Believe it or not, this means saying things like please and thank you, to say nothing of "I love you."

It is easier said than done, but if people focus on that, things would be so much nicer.

Here are the best parts of what my wife and I did for each other when my marriage was good (and you're right, a good marriage has nothing to do with perfect). I think if one can hit as many of these notes from my off the top of my head top 10 list, I think they will form a patchwork of emotions that create 'the good' that two people can share together.

1.Someone who can be supportive even when we don't agree
2.Someone who will back you up and then to be sure to tell you gently in private where you were wrong
3.Someone with a short memory for the bad stuff and a long memory for the good
4.Someone who stays in the present when you disagree and not drag things up from a prior century
5.Someone who you don't want to have sex with but rather someone you can't wait to have sex with - you need to have sex with that moment, and she is the same person who you want to be with even more after the sex than before
6.Someone who you think about all day when you're apart and who can do no wrong even on days when they can do nothing right
7. Someone who makes me a better person through all their intangible qualities where I just want to be the person they deserve to be around.
8. Someone who doesn't quit when things get difficult
9. Someone who thinks your physically beautiful but that's never your most important quality - hint physical beauty is what you see when you look into someone's eyes as they eyes never get old - did you ever notice that?
10. Someone who'll make you a  damn good sandwich rather than leave after sex (hey, every top ten list needs a #10

Turns out I'm really, really bad at it and have learned my (expensive) lesson.

I would agree with Scarsdale.

It's the little things.  Yes sex is important but for me it's a feeling that I'm appreciated, and that the other person appreciates what I have to offer.  I don't want to be taken for granted or just seen as another body in the house to share chores etc.  Although it's important to carry your own weight, I want to know that I'm desired and the other person wants t be desired by me in return.

 So the ideal marriage would be where you can share your dreams and burdens with, to carry eachother through tough times and where you can share the happy moments.  

I recall when it used to be that way!  Maybe one day again.  So for now I share an enjoyable time with some great providers and enjoy the moment.

1. Needs to be sexual/ sensual. I am very sexual person... I love kissing and holding hands and shit.. Cuddling would be nice too.. Stop it nicky.. Stop it dawg.. No video needed. We all have seen it.. :D

2. Needs to want to have kids. That's one of the main reasons why I want to get married. Otherwise, I am quite happy in my life right now..I will take care of the raising them part.. Take their homework and all.  

3. Needs to provide me with my space to follow Baseball and Football...Gawd I can't miss a game of football and watched 140 NATS games this year.

3.5 Can't interfere with my fantasy league.  

4. Needs to be able to cook well... My favorite food is Cheeseburger and Fries. Needs to be able to make both. Also, veal parmesan would be nice.

5. Make a stiff drink and provide good blowjobs...

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This is what your Man Card looks like now and cuddling references ain't gonna get it back

So a man's man that I am referred to at work and in Fantasy Sports circle can't cuddle with wifey?

I am at least man enough to accept that cuddling can be KOOL is KUCUMBER with wifey or gf.. WTF dude...

BTW, GaG has my mancard, and he is keeping it too long and I am feeling creepy about it :D

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hotplants893 reads

you want a woman around who will have children, cook for you, make you drinks, cuddle with you and give you blow jobs, and then leave you alone to watch sports.  

What? She shouldn't have a 'career instead of a job', and be a good "homemaker" too?....lol...

In case anyone might have wondered why women's interest in marriage is waning

I knew at least one feminist would come out swinging.. Where's the other one. I am waiting for her..  

If she wants... She can have career too... She can sit home watch TV all day, I don't care.. Where did I say anything about what she CANNOT do?  


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hotplants1184 reads

Women in the millennial generation (age appropriate for you?) will laugh, just as much as me, at your 1950-ish requirements for a wife.  

At the same time, even though they would laugh at want you want, good chance they would never call themselves a feminist.;

hotplants830 reads

I've seen my great grand-parents, my grandparents, my parents, 15 aunts and uncles, more cousins than I can count, my bothers and sisters, my friends, my colleagues, random people....and, I have cable fer christ sake.  

And, do you REALLY not understand that, a "man-woman" relationship is no different than a "man-man" or a "woman-woman" relationship?  

I'm not looking to fight with you Curly. But, you're expectations for a GF/partner/wife are outdated and cliche. If you want to stick to your guns and deny that----go right ahead. I doubt you're really looking to find one anyway

you respond to my post? I take people responding as wanting to have dialogue...I just stated what I would like to have in a wife.. Why is that such hard for you to grasp. I never made any statement as to what career path she can or can't choose. I also never said anything about her interests and such. If you don't like it that's fine, but you are painting with the same broad brush that Tobi got in trouble for the other day, when she made statement for all the provider community. She subsequently had to apologize.  

"Man-Woman relationship is no different than man-man relationship.". Bwahahahahaha Let two men pro-create and then I can have conversation...

Yeah keep spewing your liberal crap.. I will hit the gun range on Saturday anyway, since there is no baseball.. Maybe have a beer or two afterwards and tell my friends this joke.

hotplants1106 reads

while you're pounding down some manly beer, on the manly gun range this weekend, telling this joke in a manly and non-liberal  way...lol...

Tobi got in trouble? bad girl..

GaGambler1028 reads

What you described in your dream wife was rather 1950esque lol.

Which is understandable as many of your positions are rather 1950 ish, not that they are wrong, but you can't deny that you have a rather "traditional" way of looking at things.

Ok now you two can go back to your private little spat now, I just didn't want Admin to make the dreaded "This Branch is Closed" post which they almost always do to "private spats" lol

But we are talking marriage here.. Serious shit.. More than 1/2 marriages in US end up in divorce.  

I tend to be a bit traditional when it comes to certain things you know....

Make serious bank because if a woman were to give in to the 1950's Stepford wife, and gives up a lucrative career to do so, you had better be able to compensate in the money department. Then she can hire a cook and a house keeper and a nanny, to deal with the little brats you want.

Or, just marry less educated, actually I think that would be more your speed, in order to have what you want. Nothing like marrying less educated, it will always make you look smart.

I want old and one foot in the grave, so I hear you

All she's gotta is put out.. Damn right and make some good food..

Sorry, PUI right now.. :D

The sex wasn't ever that good so make sure she is happy and then you will be.  Or pay her by the hour and who cares if she doesn't like it, at least it wasn't for nothing. And all the other shit she does, well that's where the rest of your money goes. Cooks and cleaners and babysitters cost money.

JackDunphy989 reads

There is NO difference between a hetero or homosexual relationship? What fkin planet are you from? Venus or Mars? Lol.

Saying something THAT stupid qualifies you for numerous SPOTY points but for the exact number, you'll need to ask GaG.  

And then you go on as that amount of foolishness wasn't enough. Of course you are trying to argue with him. You called his expectations of a S.O. are "outdated and cliche." You're the expert on what Curly's expectations are now and what is and what is not "outdated?" Good to know.

I hate to break it to you silly little girl, but there are MANY women who want the same type of relationship with a man that Curly wants with a woman.  

Don't you want society to look at your relationships on equal footing as those of heterosexuals?

Ok then. You don't get tolerance at the same time you refuse to give it sweetie. ;)

Did you REALLY need me to tell you this???????????????

And my requirements for a perfect husband are not the norm but, I guess that's just how it is. We want what we want and if it does not fit everybodys ideal, well fuck em. You go find your woman Curly!

The perfect husband;

1. Rich
2. Old
3. Preferably in a wheelchair
4. On oxygen

With all that money I can hire a cook, a cleaner, a masseuse and a gorgeous sex toy

Senator.Blutarsky1151 reads

I know they're out there... Look at Anna Nicole.

...and when you find him ...I'd like to apply for the gorgeous sex toy position.  

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Look like this with a small dick and a skillful tongue. Anything less than this, well why bother.

Senator.Blutarsky954 reads

but I kinda favor this guy... and think I have the other two qualifications covered... and I give an awesome massage... Just sayin'...

Senator.Blutarsky894 reads

and I'm commitment adverse... Guess I'll have to find a different Sugar Momma...

That piece of eye candy would be swapped out after a month.

A cook, cleaner and then someone to pop out kids and then babysit. Oh and after she has done that 24/7/356 she has to put out whenever he wants.  

I can see why marriage is unattractive to women...all work and no fun.

Just someone to keep my house clean, fix my meals and go away. JK. Sorta.  

Posted By: Courtney.Ova
So I'm actually curious what men actually want in a wife throughout the seasons.  
   
 If a woman could satisfy all of your needs, what would those needs be? And not just sexual - because we all know it is not the whole, but other needs being met may make the sex even better. It is the adhesive, for sure.  
   
 Some points I'm hoping to read out of interest, is of course sexual, but also how that sex can be enhanced throughout the day, week, months, and years. How can she fulfill, (without being perfect, yet very imperfect,) the duties that are believed to be what a man needs by his side for his life.  
   
 Of course, this has risk to omit some feminism and also some people's belief in marriage. But - it can still be answered by those by thinking maybe if you believed in marriage. I'm personally asking what you know you want in your heart.  
   
 Imperfections are something that makes life beautiful, so there isn't any perfect recipe...

-- Modified on 10/16/2014 1:18:01 PM

A perfect wife would be one who rakes in a lot of money, highly educated, drop dead gorgeous, has an awesome magnetic personality, and makes my alarm clock obsolete Because she will be waking me up with a nice BBBJ every morning. :)

A reasonably realistically perfect imperfect wife would probably bitch and whine about the smallest of things, things that men consider trivial, but that's ok as long as she's gorgeous and she and her girlfriend wakes me up with a nice BBBJ every morning.  

:D

at least not directly. The kids. The propagation of the species. I will start out with the great marriage I had. We both were very  much attracted to each other, the sex was great for 16 years; we really were on the same wavelength regarding cognitive, emotional and physical intimacy. We were we able to ride out her families rejection of our marriage. We were able to have 3 healthy and beautiful children. All that can crumble if one or the other allows the kids to divide and conquer, and if one or the other places all the blame for their growing unhappiness upon the other, and not seek professional help. I guess that sums it up for me.  ;)

they can be an incredible challenge as well.   I've seen more than one marriage end because of the increased demands put upon a couple because of children (time, energy, patience, money, discipline, etc, etc).  

The most difficult time in my marriage was during the child-raising years--which was pretty lengthy since we had 4 kids.  So that lasted almost 30 years!   It was a little rough, but also very rewarding and wonderful at the same time.    

I'm not a professional, but my advice would be (and this also applies to the OP):

1.)  if you have kids, give each other breaks from them!
2.)  realize that adults are adults and kids are kids, in other words--they do not control what you do.
3.)  don't be judgmental of your SO, and try to work as a team
4.)   never use the kids as an excuse or a target of blame;  for example, if while at a nice restaurant with your kids, one of them knocks his water over and makes a mess.   Maybe you should have moved it away from his reach.
5.)   last, but not least.......... find a hobby, IF you have the time

Hey, same sex marriage is ok so how can you constitutionally stop this now?

Anyhow, 4 wives, ages 18, 28, 38, 48....keep adding every 10 years. They live in the house, I live in my own apartment. When they want sex, they make an appointment.

Note these are NOT in priority order...

1.  She needs to love her husband unconditionally.
2.  She needs to enjoy sex and want it on a regular basis (at least 3-4 times per week. - I ain't greedy - though more would always be welcome).
3.  She has to give killer BJ's (Here's the catch - ON A CONSISTENT BASIS IE. MULTIPLE TIMES PER WEEK)
4.  She has to have hobbies of her own that sometimes don't include me.
5.  She has to be intelligent (when we have a conversation she should be able to not only hold her own, but add to the subject being discussed)
6. She should have her own career.
7. She should be relatively cute and/or trim.  I'm not asking for a 10 forever, a little sag and gut are inevitable, but slobs with giant bellies and rolls not wanted.
8.  She should keep herself groomed.  I mean, while I love the "natural look".  The "hair everywhere" thing isn't for me.  Don't have to be bare down there (although preferred) but something less than a raccoon tail is nice.
9.  She should have a sense of humor and like corny jokes yet also be able to get serious when needed.
10. She needs to allow her husband to be his own man and accept him for himself without trying to change him unless he wants that change.
11. She should be clean and not mind cleaning up after herself and others (within reason- not looking for a slave, just someone who pulls their weight)
12. She needs to have friends and not be slavishly attached to me but not so many friends that she ignores me either.
13. Must enjoy the outdoors.  If she liked to fish she'd be great, if she liked to hunt as well, then hot damn, where's the preacher!!!  LOL but hunting and fishing aside, just enjoyjng hiking, biking and going to the beach or boating would be fine.
14. Be able to deal with criticism and not take everything to heart or make a big deal out of every word or statement.
15. Cooking would be a plus but not required.  (I cook pretty well).
16. See # 2 & 3

Currently, my SO has #5, 6, 9 down pat and has a remarkable #3 but which is so infrequent as to be negligible in effect. (5-6 times a YEAR is too little

and thanks to the person who posted it.  As you can see,  none of these things are difficult, complicated, or expensive.   And that is probably the key to a great and long lasting relationship.   Unfortunately wives don't always provide these things; and perhaps even more interesting is that many men are often too busy or just unaware of how meaningful and comforting these qualities can be.  Of course, those aren't our only needs or wants but I for one have lived long enough to have been at times in need of all of those things.

 What these ladies actually give us is priceless.  
 
When the rest of the world is mad at us, they give us a smile and a kiss.
When no one else cares, they listen to us.
when everyone in the world is rushing by us, they take the time to see us.
When the world seems to be shunning us, they embrace us.
When we are lonely they hold us tight.
When we are up tight, they relax us.
When we are celebrating, they join us.
When we want it sweet and compassionate, they are princesses.
When we want it wild and rough, they are tigeress.
 
And as long as we treat them like the ladies they all are,
they are there for us.  
 
Thanks ladies. You make our lives better.  
 

 
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Posted By: Courtney.Ova
So I'm actually curious what men actually want in a wife throughout the seasons.  
   
 If a woman could satisfy all of your needs, what would those needs be? And not just sexual - because we all know it is not the whole, but other needs being met may make the sex even better. It is the adhesive, for sure.  
   
 Some points I'm hoping to read out of interest, is of course sexual, but also how that sex can be enhanced throughout the day, week, months, and years. How can she fulfill, (without being perfect, yet very imperfect,) the duties that are believed to be what a man needs by his side for his life.  
   
 Of course, this has risk to omit some feminism and also some people's belief in marriage. But - it can still be answered by those by thinking maybe if you believed in marriage. I'm personally asking what you know you want in your heart.  
   
 Imperfections are something that makes life beautiful, so there isn't any perfect recipe...

-- Modified on 10/16/2014 1:18:01 PM

1. Is emotionally balanced - shares emotional support as much as she demands it;
2. Has good self-esteem - knows she has great worth as a person;  
3. Takes care of herself physically - so she feels energetic, attractive and sexy; knows taking care of others is not possible if you do not take care of yourself;
4. Is an equal partner in life - chips in where and when needed, and lets me know when I must as well;
5. Is a brave communicator - shares the good and the bad without delay; talks through problems and doesn't hide them or expect me to "read signals" overly much.
6. Trusts - always trusts first, asks if curious. No jumping to conclusions.
7. Is unpretentious - is a normal woman, and doesn't need to flaunt money or success.  

I am just going to assume that I've chosen well enough that she'll be a pet lover, great Mom, will enjoy staying in a snuggling to a good movie as much as going out for a night on the town, and if physical intimacy tapers off - is willing to work on it.

So that's the job description - Positions Available!

GaGambler669 reads

They can simultaneously make a mans money and will to live disappear in just a few short years. lol

Any card tricks? When a man can trickle a poker chip from one finger to the next over and over… me melts. The older and grayer the better. To feel forever young you gotta have fun with muthafuckin older… So basically if you 30+ and a boss…preferably on the tables…hit me up. I may or may not respond though…depending on me mood :D Dueces...

Posted By: GaGambler
They can simultaneously make a mans money and will to live disappear in just a few short years. lol

Saying "I do" is a public announcement that two individuals are convinced that they can each fulfill all the needs and wants of the other forever.  That's pretty much a pipe dream methinks.  And the divorce statistics bear that out.

IMHO the only valid argument in favor of marriage is to give legitimacy to ones offspring.  Beyond that, I see little compelling reason for marriage.  Stepping into marriage has eventually made life miserable for countless human beings.

Is there such a creature as the perfect imperfect wife?  Maybe...if you can live with the drama that usually seems to invade a marriage, but the sex was the best you'd ever had, assuming that you're getting any to begin with

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