No, not on my book at least. That's why I have learned to tune out the term GFE the way I tune out the term FBSM. Reason being is that both have been manipulated to become so vague and meaningless in such way that they can mean anything by anyone depending on the time of day and humidity factor in the air... among other factors!
I'd like to know EXACTLY what I get for my money. Give me a itemized laundry list anytime...Ok so a gal does everything GFE EXCEPT the penetration... can she still be considered a GFE???
Wife experience.
No sex, but you are expected to do a bunch of shit around the house, and on her time schedule. Plenty of bitching and nagging and the expectation that you show inordiate appreciation for her making a meal.
But, I wouldn't be a client, in fact I paid to never be a client of that bullshit again, ever.
Does not say no BJ or HJ.
daty or kissing or dfk, or etc etc
those are yes's lol but I still say I am GFE even with no penetration but is it TRULY possible?
and I bet you over 90% of the guys here will feel the same way.
I am not a "run down the list of menu items" kind of guy, but no sex is certainly a deal breaker for me. I would NEVER have a GF that would not have sex with me, and that goes for temporary, paid GF's as well. Sorry,
BTW if you decide to go forward with calling yourself GFE despite all the advice here not to, I guarantee you will get a backlash from the market, which most likely will include some "rip off" reviews.
That's how we did it back in the day. Technical virgins, but every other horrific was tapped. Good method for birth control. Sure, that's have. But it has to include DFK but and DATY.
those are yes's lol but I still say I am GFE even with no penetration but is it TRULY possible?
Since most of us sign up at some point in our lives... then reality sets in...
I'm just glad mine was not as bad as yours seems to have been... or as bad as Nick Dunne's... LOL
I have no idea why wives suddenly think they are the boss, and it's not just my former, society supports that they are the boss. You see it in commercials all the time (the state farm one with the wife being all bitchy about "who are you talking to at 3 in the morning" and insisting that he's talking to a woman even though he told her it's state farm) and there are many other examples, too many to list.
Marriage is supposed to be a partnership, neither the man nor the woman is the boss. I can't tell you how many times I've asked a friend "hey you want to play golf after work" only to have him say "I'd love to but my wife has something she wants me to do tonight". This is why I'm divorced, I know the lawn needs to get cut, I'm a good neighbor not going to shirk my responsibilities, but I'll cut it when I fucking feel like it, not when some bitch thinks she wants it done. Or she says "I want to put some shrubs and flowers in the front yard", my response "go ahead, have at it". She says I'm going to need your help", my response "I'm not a fucking landscaper, you want it done, do it yourself or hire someone to do it".
I had a Mother, and until I turned 18 and went out on my own, I had to do what she told me to do and when. When I got married I was looking for a life partner, not another Mother.
I don't know when it happened, but society has somehow determined that the wife is the boss in a household. Bullshit! And so I'm divorced. I've never been happier in my entire life
Girl friends traditionally accept the penetration, GF don't usually do the penetration... There are always exceptions.
Yes, gals can be considered GFE provided you've experienced being penetrated by your girl friend.
You had me worried, some of your recent posts have been almost coherent.
Just because something in which you can not interpret does not negate the fact it is coherent.
Traditionally a a female will do the accepting(be the acceptor) and the male will do the distributing(be the distributor
Technically... I suppose you could... I mean I did have a few girlfriends in HS & college where we enjoyed each other orally... but never stepped up to more... not for lack of trying on my part mind you... but they just weren't ready...
Yes indeed. In fact, the provider who I think does "GFE" better than any provider I've met doesn't do FS with clients. But she's amazing at what she DOES do. 
I had a GF like that once, a long long time ago. She was "saving herself" for marriage, but she did pretty much everything except FS.
This is one reason why it's very hard if not impossible to put "GFE" into a neat package. Every girlfriend is different; every provider who offers GFE can be different.
In the common usage of GFE, the answer is no, but you can do whatever the fuck you like.
Sometimes I feel the term "FBSM+" is very close to what you are calling "GFE-"
i used to agree but now so many gals say fbsm+ is ONLY a bj ending and my PLUS is so much more than kust that so I need to create a new name lol
es, the definition of "GFE" will always be a subject of debate. Some view DFK as an essential component; while others require a BBBJ in order to classify the session as a true GFE experience. Others may be fine with LFK and a covered BJ. But if a lady advertises as a GFE provider, then I would expect at a MINIMUM to have sex with her. I can't see how one could classify herself as a GFE escort and not offer sex to her client. Really?
If your massage service offers everything but sex, that's your choice. As they say, run your business anyway you see fit. But, you can't advertise nor promote yourself as a GFE provider. It's completely misleading to a client if no sex is involved. What you offer is a full body massage with variations on a "happy ending" (Hand job or blow job). Which is fine, but the client can not be misled to thinking there is sex at the end of the proverbial rainbow
involved than typical FBSM+ then what category is a massage like this???
Your marketing angle is that you take FBSM to the highest level without full service. Make the client CLEARLY aware of what is offered and what is not on the menu (sex)
If I see the word GFE in an advertisement, I would expect to get laid. I firmly believe if you market yourself as a GFE FBSM provider, without any mention of the limitations of your service (namely that you don't offer full service) you will have many clients who expect you to have sex with them once the massage portion of the appointment is done. The worst thing in a session is for expectations (both for the provider/hobbyist) not to be met.
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I offer FBSM and it is on a table in order for me to actually give a good massage. There is some kissing and a mixture of HJ and BBBJ. I don't offer DATY, leave that for the FS package. And not even a peep about GFE.
f you say your a GFE provider, then I would expect sex. If you say your a GFE provider who doesn't offer sex, then I would argue your not a GFE provider.
You can classify yourself anyway you want. I am saying that placing "GFE" next to "no sex" is not the correct use of the term.
"Sex" by itself is not clear. What exactly do you mean by "sex"? There's oral sex, digital sex, full sex (vaginal and anal variants), DIY sex i.e. masturbation, BDSM sex, ...
I agree with you that if a provider says she's GFE, she must offer sex. I just have a broader definition of "sex" than you do. And as long as the provider is clear what form(s) of sex she offers, I don't see the problem. You can see she doesn't offer the kind of sex you want move on to the next profile.
yes advertise GFE with out specifying no full service is a fraud.
Put on your website you are GFE and state right next to it "No Full Service."
Get back to me with your results. lol
Tons of hookers here love playing the "What is REALLY a GFE?" game and feign ignorance for their own financial benefit and accomplice softer johns abound for their cover.
They'll just LOVE you. lol
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I guess she could add a GFE style FBSM which would include at the very least kissing and a bbbj.
I think mostFBSM women don't kiss or offer bj, just hand release.
Yeah, if she clearly states she is no FS upfront and then adds a few GFE touches, why not?
As long as people are honest and open about what they offer and not try and play dumb or feign ignorance, no issues with me HT.
But I cant rule out a dopey john afterwards for ripping her because he couldn't "score". lol
I think mostFBSM women don't kiss or offer bj, just hand release.
Many areas have different expectations. I know a lot of places where only a hj is included, and apparenyly in Minnesota it is quite common to have a self finish.
Ok, this must be regional... cuz' uh... MASSAGE is manual. Hand-y work.
In my 11 years networking with ladies, I've met some FBSM ladies who will offer an upgraded French Option for an upcharge (and a few who sometimes just on whim, do "extras"). That is entirely different from saying that MOST fbsm ladies do bj's! Seriously?
In my 11 years networking with ladies, I've met some FBSM ladies who will offer an upgraded French Option for an upcharge (and a few who sometimes just on whim, do "extras"). That is entirely different from saying that MOST fbsm ladies do bj's! Seriously?!
Perhaps a new category of sevice could be created to describe this
Kind of service.
I'll toss this out:
GFLE. (Girl friend light experience)
Not the destination. I have had FBSM+ sessions that I would label as GFE (Kissing, cuddling, bed instead of a massage table, non-rushed.)
Others will disagree, but there multiple forms of sex that don't involve genital penetration
What's a journey with out a destination?... Try asking a neighbor for directions.
That would be FBSM with BBBJ, DFK, DATY, cuddling etc, but no vaginal or anal sex. I don't see a problem with that. However if an ad just says GFE, then most guys will assume full service. Main thing is that expectations are clear. I would say that I have had GFE sessions that did not include intercourse.
Is there a quantifiable reduction in requisite donation? Internet porn or salt-peter would seem a much more practical as well as fiscally prudent alternative.
For eons brides have eaten the ornate, jaundiced colored "I hate sex cake" at their wedding reception, and become completely "frigid" immediately following their first child. Are mistresses and courtesans now adopting this shit for the new millennium?
If a GFE is defined as a sensual & cuddly experience ripe with lots of DFKing and associated acts of intimacy why would lack of penetration cancel that? I have had plenty of what I consider GFE with both providers and strippers and there is no penetration of any type involved. But it is without a doubt a GFE
No, not on my book at least. That's why I have learned to tune out the term GFE the way I tune out the term FBSM. Reason being is that both have been manipulated to become so vague and meaningless in such way that they can mean anything by anyone depending on the time of day and humidity factor in the air... among other factors!
I'd like to know EXACTLY what I get for my money. Give me a itemized laundry list anytime...