I negotiate for food, gas, electric and so on ALL the time. It's a given from my POV. Why in the fuck would you NOT file appeals on your real estate taxes? Are you that insane?????
As well I work over my doctors, dentists as well as attorney's when I need them for a specific issue. Why the fuck wouldn't I ask? The worst they can tell me is to go fuck off. Hourly rates for any personal service are generally posted and for those who are afraid to ask for a "deal" allows assholes like me to benefit from their intimidation. I don't negotiate with a gal however if I'm in the middle of a BBBJCIM....seems like that could be problematic
I've already negotiated that deal! Can: A car, a boat, a house, a farm animal, a dog, a cat, posting bail, etc.
Can't: A steak (restaurant or grocery store), a gift card, gas, electric, real estate taxes, entrance into a strip club etc.
Shouldn't: These lovely ladies on TER, doctor, dentist, attorney, etc.
Especially the ladies, they are worth every penny they ask for and if you don't think so, DON'T CALL THEM!!!
Perhaps I misinterpreted the previous "barter" thread, that's possible.
But come on, what is so difficult to understand about this arrangement.
Provider posts on her web site 400 - 1 hour 700- 2 hours.
I like her look and her reviews, so I book 2 hours. I arrive, drop the envelope filled with the correct amount, and have fun.
No let's say for argument purposes, I'm selling a car that she wants and I've decided to sell that car for 5 K, if she wants that car, then she gives me 5 K, I give her the keys and the title.
It really is that fucking simple. Why do some of you insist on trying to make either one difficult?
I mean Damn it man! When I am looking for a lady to spend time with, I can look to see what dollar value she states that her time is worth. It's really not rocket science, it's quite simple.
When I sold my boat, I did the research to determine that a fair value for it was 23 K, so I posted it at 23 K. Not 23,900 in some dumb ass attempt to eventually get 23 K. I had dumb asses that came to look at it, take it out on the lake and offer me a lessor amount, I simply said "have a nice day". And one of those dumb asses called me back the next week, I told him "there will be no more wasting my time, if you want the boat it's 23 K, I don't play silly games". He payed me 23K and got the boat he wanted, why is that so difficult for some of you to understand? If I only wanted 22K for it, that's what I would have posted.
Why is it that some of you feel it's so important to negotiate? It's a waste of time and energy.
I'm a Scientist, so I don't have a service to barter with a lady, but let's say I was a photographer, and I charge 800/hour for my services and a provider wants my services for 2 hours, it will cost her 1600. What the Hell is so difficult about that? If I'm going to see a lady that charges 500/he and I want to spend 2 hours with her, then there will be 1 K in the envelope.
It's really a simple arrangement, why do some of you folks want to make it complicated?
Do some of you get satisfaction out of making a lady feel that she's not worthy of her rates? Grow up.
If you can't afford a lady, well then find another lady that you can afford. It's simple math.
There's a girl out there some where who would enjoy some.
Nice, courteous, and friendly. Just in the last two months I got waaaaaaaaaaaay more than I ever paid for.
There's really no secret to being a Great Asian American hobbyist 
(other than the fact that far east asians are the superior race... Lol jk)
...lasts longer than the afterglow of the time they spent with the provider. A year later they're not saying: "Wow, she fucked the living hell out of me", they're saying: "Yeah, I got her to knock 200 bucks off."
I don't care to spend any of my session time trying to Jew a woman down, I'm there to have fun and it's best to not discuss the donation anyway, correct?
But, what the Hell everyone is different, if trying to make a lady feel less worthy gets a guy off, well then he'll be the one to have to deal with her and her attitude about it. I can think of many other ways I prefer to spend my time with her.
To each their own I guess.
But, what the Hell everyone is different, if trying to make a lady feel less worthy gets a guy off, well then he'll be the one to have to deal with her and her attitude about it. I can think of many other ways I prefer to spend my time with her.
To each their own I guess.
If I can fuck 5 times a month isn't that better than only being able to fuck 4 times a month? Simple as that! It's nothing personal
And I guarantee you your sessions with ladies you don't try to devalue will be far better than those with whom you succeeded in getting a discount. Trust me- you don't want to be known as a guy who tries to pay less.
Frankly when I hear that is when I know it's time to run the other way
I am often known as the "guy who tries to pay less"....just the way I roll. Has it created problems in this genre...not for me. Of course you can retort that "she" thinks that I'm a cheap bastard. I guess "she" might...but then she also has the right to tell me to go fuck myself.
Hasn't happened yet...here or IRL. People understand that negotiation is a game that is to be played. If you and russ don't want to play...no problem. Just allows cheap assholes like me to get even better deals.
Thanks...keep on paying MSRP. I know I greatly appreciate your ignorance...or is it intimidation?
It's really comical that you (or most gals) would refuse hundreds of dollars for some "private time". Then again it seems that too many gals never got this gig...and end up here well past their time (and prime). Maybe that's you?
"Jew a woman down?" Really?
But, what the Hell everyone is different, if trying to make a lady feel less worthy gets a guy off, well then he'll be the one to have to deal with her and her attitude about it. I can think of many other ways I prefer to spend my time with her.
To each their own I guess.
You should leave feeling like you got an amazing deal at her normal rate. I give million dollar experiences for a couple grand.
If the girl does her job right, her rates should feel like a bargain compared to her service. I still get Christmas gifts from clients I haven't seen but once or twice years ago.
And if you are giving away a "million dollar experience" for only a couple grand than you are either a fool or are selling yourself short by $998,000. Or both.
And you negotiate your number of hours, correct? So it's ok for you and not others?
Again, don't worry about what other business transactions go down outside of your knowledge. Just let everyone here believe you don't negotiate. It will be our little secret.
How do I negotiate number of hours? I don't understand what you mean by negotiate, I state my fee per hour and that's what I get. I've never met you, you don't know me, and we have never had any secrets!
And you negotiate your number of hours, correct? So it's ok for you and not others?
Again, don't worry about what other business transactions go down outside of your knowledge. Just let everyone here believe you don't negotiate. It will be our little secret.
I think some feel that bartering is a "good desk." I actually swap and barter small things a lot in my mundane life (Tuesday I wound up swapping my neighbor a measuring cup for four avocados--spur of the moment and good deal for us both). But the reason we invented money was to facilitate trade, so...
Also, bartering usually involves talking about it, which is what we are all trying to avoid.
You wanna pay top dollar each and every time? Be my guest.
You feel uncomfortable bartering or negotiating? Don't do it then.
Not complicated at all Russ.
Why are you making this a bigger deal than it is
Even in Israel LOL
Hell...then you've got folks who feel intimidated to "haggle" (I think that's a Jew down?) with anyone. I suspect the OP is just one of those types of folks.
No problem from my POV....just allows assholes like me to "haggle" for nearly everything I will (or have) ever bought.
And my portfolio thanks guys like russ
Maybe I'm just cheap however...runs in the tribe!
You feel uncomfortable bartering or negotiating? Don't do it then.
Not complicated at all Russ.
Why are you making this a bigger deal than it is?
And its always people saying you, me, Panthera, etc are the "angry" and "hateful" ones.
Like I said before, its guys like Russ paying top dollar that allows the girls wiggle room to negotiate with the likes of you and I.
He plays a bigger part in the negotiating for a hookers time/money than he could ever imagine. lol
And I clearly used jew as a slang verb, not as a noun.
Bottom line is, when I participate in this sport, I'm doing so to have fun. Negotiating is not fun, to me. Nor is insulting the woman by implying that she's not worthy of her stated donation. I don't tread on other peoples livelyhood. If those things are fun for you then have at it.
I can afford to hobby, and I damn sure can't take it with me when I go. So if I pay a Benjamin or two more than you, I really don't care. What I do care about is getting a lackluster performance because I'm being a cheap bastard
Since you don't negotiate/barter how the hell would you know if you were getting a "lackluster performance?"
Stop thinking the girls are dumb fks here and give them more credit for being professional. I never thought one time a girl was tanking a session on me.
You are talking out your ass again and speaking of things you have no knowledge about and your jealousy is now blatantly obvious
What am I jealous of?
That you can, with a clear conscious, devalue a lady or anyone in any trade for that matter?
No thanks, I'll never be jealous of that.
Either I can afford to spend time with a lady for her stated price or I don't see her, period.
Here's a simple analogy that you may be able to grasp. I need to call a Plumber to clean out my drain pipes, he advertises $100 for this service, I call him, he shows up and because I am a cheap bastard I tell him, I'll give you $90. He's already drove all the way out to my house, so he agrees. But he runs his snake through the drain and does a minimal job, he's done what I've agreed to pay him for. Had I not been a cheap bastard and paid his stated price without trying to minimize his trade, he may have spent the extra few moments to run the snake through the pipes a few more times to ensure the blockage is completely clear.
You are right, in one respect, I don't think I ever have had a provider tank on me. Perhaps because I don't attempt to devalue them. After all, they do mostly state what their rates are, if I can't afford those rates, then I should either find another lady whose rates I can afford or find another hobby.
I just had a sewer main bust out this summer...my plumbers come out and initially quoted me around $ 3,000 to "fix the problem". However as they snaked to the village main they discovered another sewer break and wanted another $ 8,000 to fix the "entire breakage". Being the cheap "Jew" that I am they settled on $ 9,000 for the repairs. And only because they were already there and had dig up my fucking front yard LOL
I do want to thank you and your ilk for allowing assholes like me to understand and implement the long history of barter and negotiation.
And I'm sure you would know the difference if a gal gave a lackluster performance. How could you not since you have nothing to compare it to.
I think that when I visit Rome next summer I'll see if the Pope is interested in a barter for a ride on the PopeMobile. I'll bet he's all in on that gig
Here's a hint...don't ever go to Mexico...or any other non-US country. You are the "dumb" American that they prey upon. But the rest of "us" thank you for your patriotism.
That you can, with a clear conscious, devalue a lady or anyone in any trade for that matter?
No thanks, I'll never be jealous of that.
Either I can afford to spend time with a lady for her stated price or I don't see her, period.
Here's a simple analogy that you may be able to grasp. I need to call a Plumber to clean out my drain pipes, he advertises $100 for this service, I call him, he shows up and because I am a cheap bastard I tell him, I'll give you $90. He's already drove all the way out to my house, so he agrees. But he runs his snake through the drain and does a minimal job, he's done what I've agreed to pay him for. Had I not been a cheap bastard and paid his stated price without trying to minimize his trade, he may have spent the extra few moments to run the snake through the pipes a few more times to ensure the blockage is completely clear.
You are right, in one respect, I don't think I ever have had a provider tank on me. Perhaps because I don't attempt to devalue them. After all, they do mostly state what their rates are, if I can't afford those rates, then I should either find another lady whose rates I can afford or find another hobby.
An epithet is an epithet, no matter in what form it's used. Here's a test for you. Assuming you have any black friends, try telling one he's "N****r rich" and see how he reacts when you explain it wasn't racist because you used the N Word as an adjective.
I guess I didn't think of it that way, but really I an not racist. I am a mutt, so how could I have any ill feelings towards any race, considering that I myself am a mixture. Besides, racism is a complete waste of time and energy.
Except of course in the case of Martians. I've never met a Martian that I liked. So, I guess in the end I am racist towards Martians. Holy crap, I'm redefining myself by the minute
Lather, rinse, repeat. I can hardly wait.
What he said.
Unless you take offense to being called a "jew" - I still believe it's not nice to do so.
I find it amusing to read the word "cracker" on this board
... as if a white person is going to be offended by being called cracker - shalom!
"Slang verb?" Oh well, ok then. Never mind. Asswipe.
Bottom line is, when I participate in this sport, I'm doing so to have fun. Negotiating is not fun, to me. Nor is insulting the woman by implying that she's not worthy of her stated donation. I don't tread on other peoples livelyhood. If those things are fun for you then have at it.
I can afford to hobby, and I damn sure can't take it with me when I go. So if I pay a Benjamin or two more than you, I really don't care. What I do care about is getting a lackluster performance because I'm being a cheap bastard.
People telling others or commenting in such a way to encourage others to do what they do or really taking the loser way out and being all passive aggressive with little comments etc to jab at the way others do things.
Both hookers and johns do this and it really is tiresome.
Do what you want to do and leave others the fuck alone to do what they feel is right.
Negotiate away Jack
But in business world there is always a little bit give and take. I am not saying one "has to" negotiate, but there is nothing wrong in that... One should always price their product/service with keeping in mind that the buyer can walk away if you are too adamant to negotiate. Sometimes you can afford that, sometimes you can't.
Lets take example of your boat. You probably could afford someone walking away, but lets say that you were 2 payments late on it and the bank was harassing you day and night to make the payments. It would make sense to negotiate a deal with the buyer, because time is of essence here. Now it makes sense to price it at 25K, firmly believing that the buyer would want to negotiate a little bit and you would still be able to get what you desired..
Looks like the Tribe are doing well in last few games.. They can still take a shot at WC..
Negotiations happen, but mostly on her terms, not his. You will have the outliers and those that fall on the straight line. In a perfect world, every guy would be on the straight line, smell good, and have shaved balls, but the outliers make the whole thing fun don't you think? Never expect less, but more is always great! And sometimes, negotiations are just never worth it but it really depends on the guy and as it is said YMMV.
In this case where pussy is whats being rented, I would say you are right.
But when one sees the opportunity to negotiate, there is no reason to feel ashamed about it or back down. Whether to seize it or not, just depends on individual case.
I don't like to pay $10 for cup of Joe, when I know the price is $1.69, while I can still afford $10
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I understand you analogy, and perhaps you're right, I am thinking about it from a scientific perspective. I could never exist in a career field that is based on negotiation, as it frustrates me terribly. This thing is priced at $200, if I want it, I pay $200, if I don't want to pay $200 then I guess I don't want it badly enough. That's just the way I think, and in this sport, we shouldn't be discussing the money, right?
I guess it just frustrates me how many guys look for ways to fuck up this perfect arrangement, either by trying to negotiate price or even worse falling in love with a provider.
Yeah the Tribe has been playing well lately, solid starting pitching, and their defense has improved. They are just as close to the division as the WC and they play both Detroit and KC a bunch between now and the end of season. The Nats look like they've all but secured the division.
Personally, very sad to say that we are not missing Ryan Zimmerman. He is my all time favorite player, and just a class act. The first player I ever met in person and got autographed ball from.
9 is the Magic #.
Yeah we shouldn't be discussing money just to stay borderline legal. If you go to FKK or CR the first thing they discuss is money..
And Zach Walters has worked out pretty well for the Tribe, he's had some very timely hits. Honestly though, the Nats have a much better chance to go deep in the playoffs, than do the Tribe. But it's still fun to watch.
of going to NLCS...Keeping fingers crossed...
I've never had a client negotiate paying me for four hours but only staying for two. Can you imagine the uproar that would create if I offered that as a negotiating item?! Yet, how often does a client want to stay over the contracted time? Frequently. Where exactly is the "give and take" here?
Some of us do clearly state on our websites that our price is non-negotiable, and that we do not barter or bargain. That should be respected.
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As a matter of fact, I personally, never stay over contracted time. If I agreed to pay for 1 hr, I am putting on my pants at 55 min.
If its an outcall then she can pack and leave when the time is up or stay longer. I don't kick out no one nor invite them to stick around longer.
If we have developed mutual friendship then its completely different issue.
My guess I will have to rethink my strategy for getting dates with escorts.
Don't tell other guys how to hobby if you want to pay whatever you're quoted go right ahead.
I'm guessing if you ever go to CR and your quoted 100,000 colones an hr you'd pay it? Forgoing that the standard rates there are 50,000 colones an hr.
I had two gals in Vegas tell me they'd tell me the rate after they were done, you think I was going to pay what they quoted me, I made a offer they refused the offer and left.
Now I don't condone negotiating.... but there are times when negotiating must come into play if that makes sense.
Also rather than trying to negotiate sometimes it's just better to bypass a provider who's overpriced themselves or price themselves out.
Russ is one of the smartest guys I've known through the boards..
May be he started drinking a bit early today. Actually just got dropped home by a coworker after an happy hour, and I myself, have a nice buzz going on for me.. Hopefully it will get back to normal by the time game starts...
Not to worry because you guys have the division
If she agrees that your car is worth $5K, and you agree that her services are worth $700 for 2 hours, then it should be simple.
It's when one party doesn't agree, or changes his/her mind afterward.
I've gotten stung very badly when a bartering partner decided, when it came time for him to deliver, that my value was 10% of what we'd decided upon in advance.
If everyone is honorable, it should work fine. Unfortunately, honorable people are a rarity.
be negotiated:
Can: A car, a boat, a house, a farm animal, a dog, a cat, posting bail, etc.
Can't: A steak (restaurant or grocery store), a gift card, gas, electric, real estate taxes, entrance into a strip club etc.
Shouldn't: These lovely ladies on TER, doctor, dentist, attorney, etc.
Especially the ladies, they are worth every penny they ask for and if you don't think so, DON'T CALL THEM!!!
I negotiate for food, gas, electric and so on ALL the time. It's a given from my POV. Why in the fuck would you NOT file appeals on your real estate taxes? Are you that insane?????
As well I work over my doctors, dentists as well as attorney's when I need them for a specific issue. Why the fuck wouldn't I ask? The worst they can tell me is to go fuck off. Hourly rates for any personal service are generally posted and for those who are afraid to ask for a "deal" allows assholes like me to benefit from their intimidation.
I don't negotiate with a gal however if I'm in the middle of a BBBJCIM....seems like that could be problematic
I've already negotiated that deal!
Can: A car, a boat, a house, a farm animal, a dog, a cat, posting bail, etc.
Can't: A steak (restaurant or grocery store), a gift card, gas, electric, real estate taxes, entrance into a strip club etc.
Shouldn't: These lovely ladies on TER, doctor, dentist, attorney, etc.
Especially the ladies, they are worth every penny they ask for and if you don't think so, DON'T CALL THEM!!!
sticking her finger up your ass. Then you've decided you want to change careers and go into the escort service. Are you going to negotiate with old, fat, smelly men and women or are you going to say "if you can't pay the you can't pay"? If you negotiate, then you must like old, fat, smelly people. Or your ass played with.
Especially when rents are due...the car is in the shop...the kids need something.
How is negotiating a symbol of "acceptance"? Negotiation is done in all walks of life...and has been since man walked upright.
If you have enough to cover those rents, car payments and food for the kids...don't haggle. But in P4P the reality is that negotiation is part of the game "we" play here.
Guess you and russ missed the playbook when you signed up?
FWIW I charge extra for ass play...just the way some roll. Most gals take a pass however...and I have no particular affinity for it as well.
Now to make your point...make sure to add...old, fat, bald and ugly to get be taken seriously
Or as some of the losers here like to allege....angry!
Bragging about the deal you got on your colonoscopy....walking around with a condom hanging out of your ass. lmao!
I trusted my hot doc when she said to "trust her".
Nothing like BBFS with a colonoscopy. She did promise the colonoscopy before the endoscopy however.
She wouldn't lie about that....would she?
they are worth every penny they ask for and if you don't think so, DON'T CALL THEM!!
Exactly, if not for them, I'd have to settle for a member of the OTHFB club to get laid. To Hell with that! Regardless if I pay more than jack because I don't care to negotiate, it's way cheeper than a LTR, both monetarily and peace of mind.
What does that stand for? It's not in the Urban Dictionary.
No, I did not coin the phrase, I believe it was GaG or CPA, but I can't be sure.
But some of the gals you've seen I know quite well.
And guess what russ...they do negotiate. Frankly they expect it...and have built that into their rack rates.
I'll bet your local car dealer loves to see you come strolling in as well LOL
I don't begrudge you if haggling isn't your gig...that's not a problem. But many do haggle...and the worst hagglers are some of the very gals you've seen that you don't want to haggle with.
Most people don't like any type of confrontation....and you've done nothing here to dispel my observation of those types.
Exactly, if not for them, I'd have to settle for a member of the OTHFB club to get laid. To Hell with that! Regardless if I pay more than jack because I don't care to negotiate, it's way cheeper than a LTR, both monetarily and peace of mind.
I guess I'll have to defer to your ability to know this fact LOL
Actually the gals that we've both seen are top notch gals...very professional and deliver as promised.
Just that some fellas pay rack...others not.
While some tend to not pay at all...you just never know in this world.
I can afford each and every lady that I've seen "at rack rates". And, I'm very happy with the value I received, very happy. The Benjamin, or two, more that I've spent than what you spent will have just gone to charity when I expire. You can't take it with you when you go, might as well have fun while I'm here. And, for me anyway, I have no fun what so ever negotiating.
I don't think the car dealership likes to see me coming, because I've done my homework, and they can't rape me as they so often do to most folks. If they don't agree to my terms, I walk, period. And I haven't had a car payment since 1991, which also pisses them off because they make a lot of money from finance companies. So no, I don't think the pond scum like to see me.
Many pay cash. No biggie there.
Those that finance...some will use other vehicles besides the auto factors. And the sales dude isn't getting a commission on the financing portion. (S)he doesn't give a shit about that. The owner is looking to sell you that extended warranty...that's where the bucks are on these sales. And yep...those are negotiable as well.
Some of "our" gal pals say hi....and thanks for being the guy that allows guys like me to enjoy them OTC. I know I appreciate that
I don't think the car dealership likes to see me coming, because I've done my homework, and they can't rape me as they so often do to most folks. If they don't agree to my terms, I walk, period. And I haven't had a car payment since 1991, which also pisses them off because they make a lot of money from finance companies. So no, I don't think the pond scum like to see me.
with your display of dumbness especially with your car analogy. I really don’t remember the last time I paid the sticker price for a car. I bet most on the board didn’t either except, you
Which are financed through credit. I doubt if many are getting a good deal or a "bargain" there.
Find me a dealer who can put me in a Lexus RC F sport, below the MSRP this weekend.
To be clear, I haven't nor would I sell a car to a provider. My point, and I'll spell it out for you, is that if I had something to barter with such as a car, I would expect her to pay me for it, just as I pay her for her services. Trading this for that is a recipe for disaster it seems someone always feels slighted, in my opinion.
Personally, I don't sell my cars, I trade them in. I do my homework and find out what my car is worth as a trade, do my homework on what people are paying for the new car that I want. Then I go to the Hell hole that is a car dealership with that information and tell them which car I want and the difference between the trade and the new car is what I pay. No negotiation, if they attempt to counter offer I turn around and leave and go to another dealership. This system minimizes the amount of time that I must spend talking to the pond scum that are car salesmen.
Even if you finally end up with "your price" at some other joint...you've now spent XXX hours chasing some number that YOU think is the number YOU want.
Maybe next time tell that sales rep that you only want to deal with the dealerships owner. I find that accomplishes the goal.
Quit wasting time with the hired help!
Personally, I don't sell my cars, I trade them in. I do my homework and find out what my car is worth as a trade, do my homework on what people are paying for the new car that I want. Then I go to the Hell hole that is a car dealership with that information and tell them which car I want and the difference between the trade and the new car is what I pay. No negotiation, if they attempt to counter offer I turn around and leave and go to another dealership. This system minimizes the amount of time that I must spend talking to the pond scum that are car salesmen.
amenable to offers -
not so much on the 1hr dates but on the longer dates
many providers themselves essentially "pre-negotiate" by offering specials to attract business or offering lower rates in some of the cities they visit
some even have alter egos on BP with much lower rates - one lady I saw a while back was asking 350/hr on her "regular" website but offering the same service (by description) for $250 on Backpage... she originally contacted me so I asked her which rate would apply :p
it's not complicated - as you state -
negotiate if you want - and if you don't prefer to, then don't bother....
FWIW -
I have never initiated a negotiation beyond observing when a provider has differing rates listed on different sites. But I have been offered a lot of "specials" -
to each his or her own....
Here's a concept you haven't grasped: except in the USA, in MOST part of the world negotiating/bargaining/haggling IS A PART OF LIFE!
Only and only in the USA the people here are too shameful/timid to negotiate/bargain/haggle.
Here's another concept that is as american as apple pie that you don't get either: BIDDING!
Think ebay, priceline, kayak etc... a lot of people offering the same kind of service: it's only NATURAL that you bid one against another until you find a merchant/contractor/provider who can give you the MOST for your money.
When a buyer offers you X amounts of money less than your asking price for your boat it is because he's probably offering the same for another boat. Assuming the two boats are similar enough the cheaper boat GETS his business. OTH let say your boat is a better boat then it is up to him to decide if that is worth the extra money
To be clear, it's not an issue of being shameful or timid, it's that I simply don't enjoy it and I don't need to engage in it. I don't use Priceline or Kayak, if I want a flight, hotel or car I visit the company's web site. I've tried using Priceline in the past, but saving $10 or $20 is not worth getting stuck in a crappy hotel. I bought one thing on EBay, and the process and waiting was not even close to being worth the savings.
If I can't afford something, then I guess I just don't need it. In the case of my boat, the guy tried to negotiate a lower price and I told him to have a nice day. If he had another boat he was looking at and could get a better deal elsewhere then I say have at it. I didn't have to sell my boat, it was paid for, it could have sat behind my garage for as long as it took to sell. I felt like charging the guy $100 more for wasting my time the first time he came to look at it and take it out on the lake, but I didn't.
The underlying theme for my post though, is that by showing up, or having a lady show up and trying to talk her down off of her stated rate is completely classless, rude and to me embarrassing. We've read her website, we know her rates when we book. If we feel that it's too much we don't have to book, it really is that simple. If I can't afford 400/hr or 700/2hr or whatever her rate may be for the time I want to spend with her, well then I should find a lady I can afford or find another damn hobby.
Someone said in am earlier response that when I go to CR, the ladies are going to think I'm a dumb American if I pay the rate she asks for. Well first, I think not, I think she'll be happy to get the rate she asks for, and besides it's the difference of what 150 as opposed to 100? If I'm concerned about 50 or100, then I have no business flying to another Country to hobby. I'm not concerned with lining my coffin with 100 bills, I'm spending it while I'm here and fairly young.
Or maybe it is meant this way,
"Many people are gullible, and we can expect this to continue."
--Frrom Wikipedia
To dismiss negotiations so haphazardly is utter foolishness. Everything can be negotiated and it can work out to everyone’s advantage. Think about it
Whatever the stated price is I pay it. If a provider is offering a special deal, Like a touring rate I will take her up on it, or not as my finances allow. Price is a factor for me sometimes as to whether I will see a provider at all. At this point in time, $400 for an hour is my ceiling and that means I hobby less often. I will go higher only for multi hour sessions, and those are RARE. I'm not made of money and I'm a one or two shot kind of guy anyway, more than 2 MSOG would take more cash than I have in time. My personal best was 7 shots when I was in my 20's, but that took 8 glorious hours with a civvie GF who I wasn't paying. Since entering my 40's, I haven't done more than 4 in an 8 hour period, with over an hour rest time after the first 2 which I can get out pretty quick. So multi hour dates kind of are not my thing.
Now, if I have seen the gal before and we have comrade roe and she offers me a lower rate I'll take it, but I won't barter for it, nor haggle. I pay the advertised rate.
Some enjoy the art of negotiating...to the bitter penny, lol...don't think it a cultural stereo type either...just like ebayers who will nickel and dime you over 5 bucks. For many it is almost a sport...like hunting.
It is funny though.