I always use smaller words when I’m in an insouciant mood.
I love when gentlemen invite me out, I enjoy being arm candy and having some fun outside of the bedroom. The recent outing was when I attended a friendly gathering with a gentlemen. Its always fun getting out of the bedroom for some fun, many guys think they'll be charge by the hour but I have special packages just for outings. My favorite outing was in Las Vegas when a gentlemen planned eight hours or fun for us. We seen three shows, got on the rides at New York New York and played a few slots. We ending our time back at his place for dinner and dessert well the dessert was on me.
I guess am sharing because i would like to know your experience outside the bedroom.
On the one side, you've got guys like me who only do that OTC. On the other side you've got some very doctrinaire women who absolutely insist that not only does their date have to buy her dinner but he's got to pay to watch her eat it. Pas moi.
Still one of my favorite games to play in Vegas is...
"Hooker.....or not"
Fun to just watch and see how many I know...and if I've got some gullible folks to play as contestants...makes for a fun evening.
There is one guy who I swear is the poster boy for a TER guy. He has that "look".
No this guys is not in bad shape and after all he is at the gym so kudos right there. He just has the look, can't really explain. More of an attitude/demeanor than body type.
most of the whores don't, except for a few of the casino girls.
And it looks like I'll have a few more unwitting contestants playing the game.
The C-gals stand out easily...that doesn't count.
Need to pick out the Vegas TER type hookers...then you get a point.
If you expect her to do what you want to do, then it's fair to offer compensation for that time. If it feels like work, she'll want compensation. If not, then you get a discount (hey, she can still use some $) or OTC. Simple.
I often do get OTC time with the girls I see without having to pay them to hang out with me. The last 4 girls I have seen in the last week or so, we hung out together out of mutual enjoyment... not compensated time. One girl even paid the tab while I was in the mens rest room.
However, these are clearly cases where a client/provider are considering each other more of a friend than a business relationship.
In general I don't pay to hang out but I have had some paid extended dates before, with girls I really wanted to spend more time with. There are always exceptions lol But that's when I know I may be going into a "dangerous zone of having romantic interests" though cuz I just might try to do anything (including paying her for her outing time so that she can still make money during that time) to get her to come out spend more time with me instead of her spending time with other clients.
in other words creating more of a dating environment, and if she reflects this by charging a lower rate. I am game -
When I lived on the West Coast I loved to take a lady or two sailing for the afternoon, or to go out to a sunset dinner, before adjourning back to my place.
I've been out of the habit of extended dates with the exception of a couple of ladies who have become friends where the OOB time was OTC.
If it is something I want to do, I get to do it. Not with my very own friends but with a client that is someone I can be with without the compensation.
I have some clients ask me to do OTC stuff and I tolerate them for pay (and yes I would say most ladies have these type of client...not disgusting but not our faves) but there is no way I could add extra uncompensated time even if it would be something I like. There just is not the personality thing I need to go that extra mile.
In all reality it is a business thing giving OTC time. Fosters a good relationship and makes the john feel special and he really is, because I do not do this with a good %age of my clients.
and I don't go around asking - I figure that if the lady wants to spend OTC time with me she knows how to suggest it.....
and it can be good business - cementing a "relationship"
but also sometimes it is something else -
some of the ladies I've spent a bit of OTC time with were single and just did not really get out much. They wanted to enjoy the feeling of being taken on a date, being spoiled. Oftentimes this was something entirely separate from an "appointment" or sometimes it was before or after....
I've had ladies just ask me what I was doing for the rest of the afternoon / evening... I'm a bachelor and flexible - usually I'm completely free on the day I make an appointment so that has turned into a "hey would you like to grab something to eat" sort of thing. Good food, getting to know each other a bit - maybe that is good business - if we hit it off I'm more likely to repeat...
I don't ask for OTCs I don't believe that clients should ask or expect. But it gets offered. Got offered earlier today in fact.
I guess I'm just easy and comfortable to hang out with and talk to.....
The widespread use of the acronym has turned what should be a spontaneous, mutually enjoyable experience into a menu item. If I grab a bite or a drink with someone after an appointment, it is not as hooker/John, but as two people who enjoy each other’s company. While it may be flirtatious, it is just a relaxed and pleasant footnote to the appointment - not a bonus to which just anyone should feel entitled.
And most importantly thanks for not using your ten dollar words. Why waste ten dollars where two cents are usually good enough. LMAO 
I always use smaller words when I’m in an insouciant mood.
Being individual whose English is a 2nd language, I will also admit that the moment I see your post I run to Thesaurus before I even open your post..
I was once arguing a point with someone and I claimed that his argument was ambiguous. He objected and claimed that his argument was very biguous. I was at a loss and conceded the point.
Because his argument was ept.
and I agree with your point of view -
whatever you want to call it, that extra time spent doing something non compensated is not something we ever want to see added to TER's review report form :p
too many people talking about it probably.....
Guys brag on the boards that they get OTC, so other guys that we DONT want to spend that time with start expecting it cause hey, they think they're good guys and they have time. Never mind how we feel about them or if we have things to do after we meet up. He thinks he was nice, cause that's what other dudes who DONT make the decisions say, so he thinks he deserves it.
Some dude puts it in a review that he got to stay over time (consensual or not), and the next asshole with a smelly crotch and terrible personality gets offended that we were kind enough to let him stay the entire time, instead of kicking him out 10 minutes early like he deserved. Dude is butthurt because hello, he's socially inept, more annoyance for the provider ensues.
And then there are the treasures who take ONE act of generosity and abuse the hell out of it. Texting at all hours, begging for lunch or special privileges, expecting every time to be a friggen deal and a half.... This happens 98% of the time, but you never see the boys here mention that little taste of reality, now do you? No no no. That girl was starving and went to dinner with him once five years ago. His opinion of how things went is golden.
You guys are your own worst enemies sometimes. You are paying for a service. You are paying us to eat, drink, talk, shut up, and whatever the hell else happens in the amount of time you've purchased. If you happen to be lucky enough to get a bone thrown to you every once in a while, for your own sakes, shut the fuck up about it. Ruin it for us and you ruin it for you. Think it through a little better.
Let alone for it appears many of the wrong reasons.
Maybe up those rates and all those smelly, ugly, fat, old, bald and boring dudes will be eliminated in your screening?
And maybe then you won't need to do the half hours and run the dude out the door?
Give it a shot...lunch/dinner at Morton's beats the shit out of a Big Mac meal on the run.
And I would also venture that the dudes won't blab either. It's one thing to generalize as I do...and Nick does...and Panthera will...and GaG has...and so on about doing the lunch/dinner thing and NOT naming names....but when johnnie MommasBoy and those dudes ever got some gal to join him for a Big Mac extravaganza....yeah, I get that they'd announce that to the world in a review and probably stalk you on the boards shilling and outing the lunch/dinner OTC.
As far as ruining anything for me...not likely. I've been in P4P for a long time and have seen it all. Maybe what has changed is the GFE component that wasn't really evident even 10 years ago?
Some dude puts it in a review that he got to stay over time (consensual or not), and the next asshole with a smelly crotch and terrible personality gets offended that we were kind enough to let him stay the entire time, instead of kicking him out 10 minutes early like he deserved. Dude is butthurt because hello, he's socially inept, more annoyance for the provider ensues.
And then there are the treasures who take ONE act of generosity and abuse the hell out of it. Texting at all hours, begging for lunch or special privileges, expecting every time to be a friggen deal and a half.... This happens 98% of the time, but you never see the boys here mention that little taste of reality, now do you? No no no. That girl was starving and went to dinner with him once five years ago. His opinion of how things went is golden.
You guys are your own worst enemies sometimes. You are paying for a service. You are paying us to eat, drink, talk, shut up, and whatever the hell else happens in the amount of time you've purchased. If you happen to be lucky enough to get a bone thrown to you every once in a while, for your own sakes, shut the fuck up about it. Ruin it for us and you ruin it for you. Think it through a little better.
And I totally agree about the blabbing part. Some guys even put it in their reviews-UGH!
Steph
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But it wasn't being marketed as it is today. Too many really lonely dudes buy it...hook, line and sinker.
Throw in a pity meal and they'll be here whining about why she won't reply to his 10,000th text.
And yeah...some of these morons will babble about the OTC in reviews. But they also think she got off no less than 10 times in the first 15 minutes. Sometimes it just doesn't pay to be good at a job 
Steph
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Nice try, but this isn't about me or my clients. You Johnny boys that get all pissy about a little truth are hilarious
You even babble it in your post!
It's always about you!
Are you now pretending that you're not a narcissist?
What, exactly, do you disagree with about my post? I mean besides the parts you've already contradicted yourself over further down?
And what, exactly, in my post do you not realize is an extremely common complaint amongst all the ladies here? I don't even need to give personal examples because that's just what happens. You give someone an inch and they take a mile, and if they spread the word, others start expecting it. Duh. Laying out that common chain of events has nothing to do with me, no matter how hard you abandon reading comprehension skills to try and make it so.
Don't pretend to be stupid just so you can bitch at me cause that's what the boys will give you a smack on the ass for. It's pathetic.
One of my regs asks for extra time when booking and I always have something to do. I will offer but I will not let him tack that time on as an expected item. He hasn't got the correlation yet but hope he does, if not, I make up shit.
You have to train some of these guys NOT to expect extra OTC time with every visit. Sure they pout but a polite conversation usually fixes that. I have no problem reminding them that the time is unpaid for and that I can just as easily go back to just the paid time or he can find someone else to try that on.
I had a guy ask me for a free session for his birthday....I said sure, when it's mine just leave the envelop and leave (my birthday is before his so that would have worked out well...lol). I had planned on giving him that as a surprise but he ruined it by asking for a freebie.
I try not to let these idiots ruin it for the great guys who know how to deal and shut up about it. They will get so much more if they just let the lady start the ball rolling.
They have no idea what the rest of your day is like. I never expect anything. Whatever happens, happens and it's entirely up to her.
You get paid lots of money. Suck it up, lol!
But seriously, the problem is self respect, or lack thereof.
If I have a good connection, I may ask the lady if she wants to grab a bite, or she may strongly hint that she would like to go out with me. But even then, I realize that some connections are more "bedroom" connections, and if I sense this, then I'm more than happy to leave on a high note and be on my way.
And of course, if I see the least reluctance to a casual invite, I immediately move along, realizing that for some even the question may make them feel uncomfortable. This stuff aint rocket science. And really, who wants to spend time with someone who isn't interested? That's kinda pathetic in my book...
I have no interest in that type of gig....as many of my gal pals are just "friends"....those that I don't necessarily see BCD. For others it's just something that has morphed from a P4P session...as they know that I love the lunch deals and chatting about life.
For some johns however it has turned into a way to "keep score". If that's what they want...doesn't affect me. They shouldn't however blab that shit in reviews...that puts the gals at risk.
Somehow it seems that many gals just find me approachable...and someone who they like to discuss life with. Maybe it's that I don't judge...and every once in a while can offer up some insights.
I can see why johns like JoeMommasBoy is pissed at someone like me. He's the guy that can't figure out why gals would want to spend time with me. And time that is "off the clock"....as I don't charge gals for my time either LOL
I have found that as with most things in life...you get what you give.
It's between the woman and me, and falls into the YMMV category. Oh, gosh, do I get docked a point for using another acronym?
It's shame people just can't understand that sometimes it's just about two human beings. Things happen. We click, she says, "Well, that's it for me for tonight. Gotta grab a bite. I'm starving." I ask her if she'd like to join me. She says yes. Big fucking deal
dynamics of a meal/snack/drink with a friend (or friendly person) without putting a price tag on it.
My past atf i asked to go to lunch..$1200....Fuck that.
I guess am sharing because i would like to know your experience outside the bedroom.
When I ask civie girls to lunch - I get the same response.
I guess am sharing because i would like to know your experience outside the bedroom.
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