Both clients and providers need to relax.
If you need someone to hold your hand to hire a hooker you shouldn't be hiring hookers.
If you need someone to validate your hooker self esteem on your fake name profile you shouldn't be selling your ass on the internet.
End of story really.
A couple of times I have had providers with reviews showing all 9's or 10's who clearly manage their reviews. When I wrote a less than perfect review of one which said that she was late but great I was barraged with emails and texts that demanded that I change the review because it ruined her rating (maybe I gave a 7 and explained why.) Another time I was asked to only write a review if it was a 10/10. I had a great time but not a 10/10. I don't want to disappoint providers and at the same time I want to be honest and not mislead hobbyists or what is the point of reviews and ratings. I see some reviewers give all 9's and 10's and they are not much help.
Any thoughts
Bottom line: while TER created it's system with the best of intent, it has now become corrupted so that it has actually created a huge set of problems for mongers. The numerical rankings should be eliminated. Until TER does that, it's entire business model will be in jeopardy.
And problems for the hookers with tricks wanting to penalize a hooker for not doing something to him others got or off menu items he pressed her for.
I hate the system and do not partake so I really have no dog in this fight.
Let her complain to TER ONLY, never the guy. If a girl knows she could get kicked out, it would stop this badgering/threatening bullshit right away.
Maybe give a 10 day ban for the first offense, 30 days for the second and lifetime for the third.
Thoughts?
Then if a guy purposely holds a review over a ladies head to force her to do something then he should get the same treatment. Otherwise, the guys will then realize they can run roughshod and the only recourse hookers will have is to delist. And if enough de-listed the entire thing falls apart.
The review system is flawed and both sides game it, so both should be held accountable for their misuse and abuse.
Those ideas are fine but ironclad proof of such abuse is tough to get in this world of aliases and stealth email accounts. I'm not sure if a foolproof mechanism could be created, though I'm hardly an expert on this. I'm afraid of having something else created that could be manipulated.
A he said, she said situation. I mean so far everyone has dealt with hookers doing their BS and johns doing theirs. This contribution of mine was to elucidate that shit comes from both sides and to slap one, you allow the other to flourish.
I have zero solution to fix this on either side. I dealt with it the best way I know how and that is to refuse reviews and before the guys jump, there is a way and I have had it position for a long time and it has worked. A guy can write the review but it will not be posted.
The scoring system here has been trashed by provider manipulation. The scores need to go and reviews should consist of the text write-up only. I've rarely had a provider complain about something I wrote (only one time) but the scores are worth going to war over with some providers.
TER, are you listening? Get rid of the scores and save us a ton a grief.
Thanks,
PP
I'm making a note of all the hoes who have a reputation for review manipulations. Hoes penalizing a homeboy for writing an honest review of 8 are not deserving of good reviews. Truth must surface.
If she "manages" her reviews, and yours will put you in a position where you will catch grief, maybe it is just better to keep your mouth shut? Just a thought from the peanut gallery...
Why should he have to tuck his tail under and not say anything?
People like you are reason why the system is the way it is.
Only white gals play Jedi mind tricks (pun intended) and manipulate the system. No other ethnicity couldn't dare do that. I've seen reviews where deserving 8's get 10's, or worse deserving 8's get 7 or 6.
It's fraudulent and as such should be reported so that the perpetrators are banned or have their accounts suspended. Either that, or do away with the stupid numerical system which breeds issues of entitlement from some of these gals
Why write a review? Sometimes it seems that giving a review would simply be echoing what's already been said in the 15 reviews she's already got. At other times there is something to alert hobbyists to, good or bad, that no one else has pointed out. Sometimes the session just doesn't go the way you planned it.
Maybe she hasn't had a review in months and you want to bring her name back up on the review search. Good reason. Maybe you got really bad service by a woman who didn't resemble her pics. Good reason.
IMO, getting the best BJ of your life or letting the world know that she took your pounding like a champ doesn't really warrant a review.
When I check out the reviews, the scores are one thing, and I usually see providers with reasonably good scores. 10/10's are suspect. I'm more concerned than most (on this board) on the atmosphere and attitude notes. I don't really care for the bare mattress on the floor setup, especially if there are either spiders or cockroaches scurrying across the floor. I know, I know, these are sort of pansyesque concerns, but I'm funny that way.
So, if she wants to manage the review, ask yourself if it's worth the hassle. My $.02.
Both clients and providers need to relax.
If you need someone to hold your hand to hire a hooker you shouldn't be hiring hookers.
If you need someone to validate your hooker self esteem on your fake name profile you shouldn't be selling your ass on the internet.
End of story really.
I stopped writing reviews because of this reason .
There were two providers this year for whom I would have given 8's for looks and performance. Their other reviews are 9's or better.
I gave an 8 to an agency girl once, and she went ballistic. I didn't write reviews for these two from this year because I just didn't need the drama.
The 9's and the 10 I've given are well deserved, IMO.
It's Obvious for some, one provider on a southern board just got a "8" for looks after her 100's of bragged about pages of "10's".
How long before that gets removed by her manipulation?
Some girls beg for 10's and their looks are no better than "8's" at tops.
Guys are suckers and afraid of backlash!
The system is fucked and has always been!
Write the review under an alias, chances are the pro will attempt to claim she never saw you so save all your correspondence and document you travels so you can defend yourself to TER.
Then back Chanel, word of mouth is very valuable to a provider. And can out her manipulative ways.
The end!
Just out of curiosity, I looked at the top providers in a couple of major metro areas in the south. There were quite a few 10's who recently got 8's, including a couple providers I've seen.
I ran across one provider who was solid 10's, which is unusual, since even my favorite doesn't have all 10's and she's the best looking I've found so far. I checked out the one who's all 10's, and I couldn't believe it. Not ugly, but not hot by almost any guy's standards. That can't be anything but manipulation
You've been around long enough to recognize these providers. I prefer to see providers with solid review scores that are not all 10/10. Fortunately I hobby in states where this can be accomplished. Now a question for the OP what causes you to see these managed review providers. Certainly a 8 and 9 are good scores And honestly the review numbers are worthless. I prefer to read the details of the reviews.
Any thoughts?
Maybe we'll hear about conversations like these:
Provider: What was wrong with our session, didn't you like it?
Confused Client: What are you talking about? I gave you a 10/10 just like the last 50 guys who reviewed you.
Provider: Yah, but now no one wants to see me because I don't have any 9s to prove that I'm really a 10, but since everyone knows 10s don't mean anything anymore, it's 9s that guys are looking for.
Client: Sorry, I missed reading the GB that day I guess. I'll get right on it and ask TER to change the 10s to 9s.
Provider: You're such a sweetie.
The cloned offspring of USGrantlover, ChcgoCPA, and GaGambler.
Admin should stick to running a provider review board and stay out of the genetics lab, but I am waiting for courtelfordrayne.
The connection is ever more obvious
You certainly don't need them for proving your not LE or a serial killer. Or you could just ignore the ones who demand 10/10
session to get the johns who push for services not allowed or their offhanded " I am a heavy hitter reviewer so you'd better show me a grand old time or you get a bad review" and then use the shitty review as their proof he abused the system.
Taping anything is a session is just wrong if all parties don't know about it. Plus once that shit gets out that's it. The damage is done. I know someone who is battling that shit right now because some dumbass client decided to post their session to some lame porn site. I just don't get some people.
And it would be audio ONLY to prove malfeasance on behalf of a manipulative trick. The videoing of a session by either party is wrong and this has nothing to do with the what this discussion is about nor the context in which I used the example of audio
I'm not sure if audio taping an illegal P4P session without the other party's consent is illegal, but it ought to be. Also, what kind of proof is that? A voice on a tape the provider says is a certain client? Wow! Talk about a poor level of proof. Sorry, h+t, but this turkey won't fly.
I am just sick of the johns having ways to deal with shitty hookers but the hookers still have no way of dealing with the johns who abuse the review system.
DNS lists, info shared on the PO board, black lists (which are often abused). I'd say that bad shit is pretty equal on both sides of the transaction.
Silly me. I stand. Er ... Corrected
Didn't really think that one through. Really I shouldn't care less because I am not at the mercy of the review system. Have no idea what a hooker can do to deal with that scenario.
I don't know if I'm a "heavy hitter" reviewer with 150 reviews or not - but I usually don't even use TER for screening or mention reviews....
why anyone would want to coerce something from someone is beyond me - it's so simple to shop for a lady whose appearance and typical services are pleasin
Of getting more out of a hooker than others have and do this type of thing. Yeah pathetic and wrong, just as pathetic and wrong as a hooker bullying a john into a better score.
The heavy hitter is not necessarily the number of reviews but the inflated self importance of being a reviewer and holding the power over a hooker. Very similar to the hooker who has a top 100 rep, they pull very similar shit in order to keep that rep.
I don't think there is much of a thrill giving a provider less than she has been getting numbers wise. I just gave a 8/9 and won't be surprised if I get backlash.
One lady I gave a 7/7 to keeps getting 9's and 10's. At the time I saw her they had her age way off. That has been corrected but unless she lost 20 pounds and 15 years.....10's in looks?
If I had an awesome time and the gal is gorgeous, she gets a 9/9. If she ain't gorgeous, but just GND pretty she gets an 8. A gal who is fairly decent looking but who has a flaw or two gets a 7. I don't even try for 6's or below in looks, which I can usually tell from photos. As for performance, same thing. Awesome is a 9, damn good is an 8, Had a nice time with no real problems a 7. Again, Based on reviews I don't go for gals rated less than a 7. As for 10/10, I don't know what that looks like/feels like because it hasn't happened yet. Once in a lifetime is, to me, just that. Will I know it when I see it? I hope so, and I'll score accordingly. Ladies, if I ever book you and you get a 9/9, know this: you've got the highest score I've ever given and that's not a bad thing!!! If you are drop dead world class gorgeous in my eyes and treat me better in bed than ANYONE I have ever had sex with, then, and only then will you get a 10/10. So... Something to aim for!
What do you mean by not wanting to disappoint the provider? so you would rather lie? so when you were growing up and going to school were you EVER disappointed when a teacher gave you a grade other than A+?
Yeah it's like that. When one goes through life sometimes he/she is going to be rated -honestly...
Save yourself a ton of grief and skip the review. If the review isn't perfectly honest, you're going to take shit from either the provider or the hobbyists who read it so if you can't be honest without getting grief, skip the review.
Mr ViceChairman,
Might I suggest that perhaps the purpose of a review is more so to assist a fellow consumer rather than impress or deflate the proprietor.
Escort reviews were some of the very first consumer reviews on the internet. Actually, escorts were the first commercial product reviewed online, ever. They were placed for the purpose of letting a fellow consumer know of a worthy experience or more often, to warn others of bad ones. Good/Bad/YMMV. It was a HUGE breakthrough for the industry back in the olden days. lol
The internet grew and then of course, we now have reviews for everything we buy, sell, ingest, view, touch, see, smell or fuck. With that trend, the consumer power drowned in a sea of what you and I both see now as big clusterfuck of reviews based on, commerce. Ah, the American way. Advertising. I'm still trying to know which review is legit or not for an appliance I'm buying today. Thing is, I have to keep the appliance and use only that appliance for as long as possible, so the consumer review there may be more important to verify as sincere as say, an escort review. Or, has it just, come to that for now ?
Escorts follow the market of supply and demand, like any other market. When the market demands reviews to expect any commerce and then demands exceptional reviews for good commerce, then the exceptional will be all that is ever expected from a high commerce, market savvy, advertising / social media dominant escort. Inclusively, if by some off chance, the overall market share were down and business were slow, you might expect the perfect escort score of a gold medalist could be required to make payroll.
Clients collectively and accidentally developed the 10 scale without a spec of room for a girl to be great at what she does for less than that 10 rating. It's something to consider. However, a girl would rather not be reviewed at all if you are going to take her market share down. Clearly, some things will balance out as they always do. A bad escort is just bad, that's not even in this equation and therefore, lower ratings aren't relevant in this equation. (3/4 rarely recover to a 7/10 scale, therefore moot)
An average escort can not compete and hopes to work and work very hard for a good review from a stellar vip member reviewer. A less than stellar review given to the less savvy, lower ad budget escort, cuts deep in many ways. Sometimes, it is the start of a failed career, regardless of her actual talents. Tough luck.
The top shelf advertising network escort (not to be confused with the most talented in beauty or services) manages her reviews just as aggressively as any businessman would manage what pays his child's tuition and mortgage payment. She further has the time, money and resources to do so. Mess with this, and you mess with wall street of red bottoms. Your session alone does not touch her monthly ad costs alone, ergo, your return on review numbers absolutely must be an asset to her.
So remove them, altogether. Everyone wins under the current "economy" of review value.
There have been times when clients have tired of a less than stellar looks and performance for more than top dollar and speaks up in the form of reviews. If he is an unknown, it will all disappear. If he is a known, he will fight tooth and nail for having his right to his opinion and hopefully not have his eyeballs scratched clean out in the process. I've seen escorts outright blacklist and slander those select few that do not contribute to the overall working machine. In the end, the escort generally, always wins this one.
It's tough to stand by your opinion. It may not even be fair.
Since the clients of escorts invented the review of any commerce, I hope perhaps that they will have the forum and the fortitude to somehow fine tune this market share cornered mess of wall street high heels and go back to a basic contribution inclusively. I saw man create the escort review in the mid 90s and fight tool and nail to get it into a market share value at all. I believe it can and may have come time for fine tuning, as in all things, human and all things, commerce. It'll be an interesting, next era to watch, no doubt.
If you can not and should not edit a review to include a perfection that meets an escort's expected sales numbers for the next client line up ; and if a less than stellar review can keep you in doorways of drama well past the memory of the session in the first place ...
Then perhaps, the answer is, don't review her at all.
When did a review become an expectation or obligation ? Well, it did somewhere around 2005. Have gentlemen become so pressed into a review being a required follow up for their commercial sex lives ? I know that far too many men, do feel it.
Perhaps Mr ViceChairman, you may choose to not always review. You may decide that if you can not provide the sterling review for the wall street girl or not review her at all, then best call a middle tier lady in between the top shelves once in awhile and recalibrate your scales ? lol The middle tier ladies will love you for it, as you may remember back when the top now was, middle ?
A 10 ? A 9 ? A 6 ? Well.... I'll bet most grown men could place a 2 on the face of a 12 set of tits with the screw of a lifetime and a 15 on the breathtaking beauty of the worst blowjob they ever had. Most grown men, have many more variations they have had in life and this is why it is a scale, never perfected and always worth trying to calibrate until death.
One should not pay so very much money and feel as if they are on unpaid leave for a review posted and accepted. Escorts should equally from that consumer norm, be able to accept variated rating numbers as the market will bear it. You guys have to cut these hard working women, just a wee bit of slack. You only want to call on "10s", then the market share will demand, just that.
This is all just my opinion, which is meaningless. I have not posted on industry message boards in some years now, and for some odd reason it is your subject that I chose to peek in on. Please pardon me if I am rusty and have bad grammar, etc. I'm just a veteran with a glimpse from the past that might spark a little in the today's future. No one listen's to their elders, but I'm still talking. lmao.
Choose to do whatever it is that pleases you and the appropriate matches will find their way into your graces.
I hope you find and assist your peers in getting a ground that suits you all most effectively.
Sincerely Sweet Sarah
p.s. If someone could direct me the nerd / scripts / apps / techie forum, please help an old lady out thank you !!
Any thoughts?
Providers that contact me after an encounter are quickly discarded we choose this hobby for discretion and that is certainly not discrete
Last year I saw a girl from LA who had nothing but 9s and 10s. She had my email and address ( it was an outcall ). And she charged $600,,,which is way out of my price range,,,but I thought ," what the hell".
And I gave her a 5 for performance ( she deserved it ).
She wrote back to say she would blackmail me if I refused to change it. I questioned her about the veracity of my review,,,and she never denied the facts,,,,she just didn't like the 5.
Because she knew a lot about my identity I actually wrote to TER to try and remove the review ( I was scared ). They said no.
She eventually removed her profile. So,,,no more $ 600 ladies. And only in calls unless I know the lady well.