Clearly not the place...
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And have gone through a Landmark Forum? Open for providers or hobbyists to share/comment?
I'm a newbies to TER, but not the hobby...and if you don't know what this is, then please refrain from jumping into the discussion. Thanks
Typical New Age psychobabble for people too stupid or too timid to simply punch somebody in the face when they catch them trying to steal their money.
It really never ceases to amaze me just how stupid and gullible people can actually be. Oh well, I suppose most religions are just as stupid. If you do enough drugs, I suppose any kind of bullshit sounds believable, until you sober up of course.
Is it like the Sterling Organization where men dress like Indians, beat drums in the woods and cry? And their women are treated like 2nd class citizens because the mantra of the organization is Be Accountable and Support The Men WTF happened to Support The Women?????
if someone feels that they benefit I am happy for them - there are many paths I suppose....
several of my civvie friends have done it. They loved it!
Clearly not the place...
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And if so do you expect a gal attending to be OTC?
the dude who came up with Cuba Gooding Sr alias has to be brilliant...
Go put on your LBD(lil black dress)
that even remotely makes sense?
Prolly fantasizing 'bout frat parties, strippers and pimps, you remember the story don't cha?
Never been to a frat party never raped a stripper never been a pimp, nor do I fantasize about such things... I see what is always on your mind.
You know what I'm talking about
I wonder if you could share your motivation for doing the Forum. What were you hoping to gain from it?
WB, the reason I posed the question out here was I thought a few things - and the context is NOT that I'm recruiting. I've actually never been. But it came to my attention and I thought after reading about it if anyone in this community (that is what we have here, right?) had been? I briefly wondered if some of the self assuredness that some of the LADIES on the boards have and demonstrate is because they have been, and are supremely comfortable about being in the community. This in in contrast to some of the hobbyists who have found themselves here and are ambivalent about such matters as they do here but consider it deeply personal ( repeat after me : rule #1 of fight club, is you don't talk about fight club) and so this community becomes a safe place for exploration of intimate or carnal desires or fetishes that they wouldn't otherwise explore or discuss in a more open fashion with friends or even SO's ( heaven forbid) !
This isn't the stuff of most GD discussions, so I understand where it may be fodder for funny or witty responses - some in this thread even made me laugh - but it was a real thought I had...and so I figured to unleash it out here.
I'll read more responses, and check back - but I'm not proselytizing on its behalf. If I had pm privileges and anyone wanted to share/discuss offline, I guess since I'm asking I'd figure out away to continue the discussion there.
Since it appears so far that no one has embarked on the Landmark Forum route, maybe some have engaged in est or other "self help" groups. I think some, like LF, are more legit than others.
As for my own view, I am skeptical of anything that claims to offer a dramatic overnight change. People DO change, they DO grow stronger and wiser. I'm not sure what timeframe it really takes, or what kind of commitment is required to actually change.
But, yes, do get back on this, or post a conclusion post when more of the results are in. Most of check back on all the threads at least as long as they remain on the first page.
Most of us ladies on here are inherently self-assured, else they wouldn't be escorts. We have to be. The lady who loses her assurance about who she is and what she's doing won't last long in this hobby.
Have you always been self assured? As a kid, did you learn quickly what you could accomplish? Or did it come as the result of striving to take control of an uncontrolled world? Like riding a bronc. Sometimes life can feel like that, you know. I mean just the day to day grind and stuff.
i heard it was a seminar that charges $500 to find out what really is inside of you..i would much rather spend $500 to be inside of someone..
t is true that most people never know who they are which is why they have to try to find themselves or use drugs and alcohol etc.
The only person who can find how WHO they are is the person themselves and then they have to WANT to and for a lot of people, I think they are too scared.
If I chow down on a huge steak or a splurge on a thousand bucks worth of caviar. does that mean I am trying to find myself? Can't a person get high, fuck a hooker, or down a bottle of booze, just because they find it fun, without any deeper meaning being necessary?
I am hardly scared of psychobabble, but that doesn't mean that I accept any of it. Most of it is downright laughable
In the distant past of every long-lived culture you can name and in all "primitive" cultures there is a strong element of this loss of self manifested mostly in the religious rites... But, in those cultures it is not a "loss of self" but a merging with the group or tribe or family AND the transcendent... It is only in the modern world and it's atomization that this drive results in the failure to merge with the group and becomes pathological... The point being the pathology is not from the drive to "lose oneself" but rather from the society not providing a means to merge with the group.
For example: the use of hallucinogens and/or rhythm and/or dance to instill group trance states whose sense of oneness continues after the ceremony and promotes social cohesion...
Bachofen has fallen a bit out of favor but I think his Das Mutterrecht (The Mother Right) sets out the transition I spoke of above quite well...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Jakob_Bachofen
A nod to Fishbro who suggested Erich Fromm who has a brilliantly concise summation in the beginning of his Art of Loving:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Loving
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JD, you are right in that it is run by the founder of EST's younger brother. The first three adjectives - well quite frankly that's what I was hoping some folks around these here parts might shed some light on. Ether positive or negative ( as in the case of Devin).
And the lights are on here. How about in your parts? I've heard that people recruit others from their lives to come to one of these shindigs. Is there something erotic about this for you. Will it make you better in the sack? Are the chicks hot?
I went to one in the nineties. Several of us from work went, although we went individually. The other guys attended sessions at the World Trade Center. I went to one on Long Island in a catering hall, so the ambiance sorta sucked. Mine was originally scheduled for a LI hotel, but they changed the locale at the last minute. That was a big disappointment cause I had worked it out for my ATF to meet me in the evening after the first day and it would have been so much easier to have her in the same hotel as the seminar.
As far as the forum, it was a two day, all day affair with breaks for lunch and dinner, where you are encouraged to dine with fellow forum attendees in your group. Yes, that's right, the attendees are split into small groups of six or so in order to hold participatory exercises. If I remember correctly, it's by choice rather than being assigned. Overall, this forum probably had a hundred or so attendees, but I think each one is different as far as size.
The group dynamic was the most interesting part of the forum. Especially two of the members. The first memorable person was a 20 something girl. I remember going to lunch with her and the other members of my group. But by supper time, she was gone. It turns out that she revealed to the moderators that she was in private therapy and stopped going before her therapist determined she was ready and that's a big Landmark no-no.
The other memorable member of my group was a therapist himself with a private practice on LI. During the forum, he came to the realization that he had issues with his father's death. I thought it odd that a therapist would need something like this environment to figure that out. After all, all therapists are required to have private counseling of their own in order to keep their license so it's strange that this subject was never resolved in a private forum rather than a public forum. But that's one of the appeals of the Landmark Forum. The group participation allows you to see that others are in the same boat as you and prods you to share your feelings.
If you do attend, be forewarned that there's hard sell after at the end of forum where the moderators try to get you to sign up for the next level, one that's even more expensive. The pressure was pretty intense, like one of those time-share free weekends. I was able to stand my ground and say no. At least one, if not two, of my co-workers went to the second level.
All in all it was a unique experience, but I can't say that it did anything for my awareness or spiritual well-being. It was interesting and entertaining though and I don't have any regrets about going.
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The one's who were most gung-ho about it said that pre-Landmark, they were painfully shy and emotionally closed off and the program helped them come out of their shell. The one who was already a contented and open person felt that she didn't get much out of it - although she did break up with her emotionally stunted BF immediately afterwards.
I was in therapy, and my therapist had done it, and thought it would be good for me.
I was in therapy mostly to figure out how to meet girls, and I did meet and date a couple of really neat gals I met at EST, so mission accomplished in a way.
I think the overall experience was useful, but only if you are in some kind of on-going therapeutic activity with someone whereby you can use and exercise the training you get at these, otherwise you'll just wander off and ignore it.
If you compare it to a gym, it's like having a personal trainer as opposed to just screwing around with the machines now and then.
And, I still find parking spaces all the time. They said I would and funny how that works out.