My local provider went on tour about a year ago. The local LE had checked out the local boards to see who was touring in that area and handed out pictures and info on them to all the local hotels. About an hour after she checked in there was a knock at her door. It was the hotel manager along with two cops. They showed her the touring info that she had posted, along with her pics, and was asked to leave immediately. She didn't get arrested but it scared the hell out of her and she is very UTR now. No more tours and only sees clients she saw before her tour snafu. Some hotels even do this on there own without any prompting by the cops. They just call them when they need to remove a provider from the premises.
It scares the hell out of me. And how do they keep from being recognized by hotel staff?
Not so much discretion me thinks.
Take a look at the photo board today if you want an idea of what I'm talking about.
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Being recognized by hotel staff??..Is the hotel staff browsing TER or EROS??
If i were to host at hotels I would dress professional when checking in and out...Not inconceivable that a professional woman travels and uses the same hotels??
If I were doing outcalls i would obviously space my frequency at the same hotel...but again (not odd that a woman is at a hotel) i would never dress inappropriately (or at least wear a trench/peacoat,sunglasses,etc,etc) to have attention bought to me
I thought all escorts always wore lingerie..
Everywhere. 
It goes with the territory Hound.
As for me, I can't stand sarcastic posters. They tend to be dick, HCH a-hole types, ya know?
some chains are very aggressive about cooperating with LE in this way
now if your online images are pretty glammed up maybe they won't look like you -
but I think it's telling that the most secure agencies I deal with always blur faces....
If every front desk clerk has an idyllic memory. Or if it's a requirement that each and every front desk clerk must review the photos on a daily or even more frequent basis. Dam, I wish I were a front desk clerk, imagine the bevy of hotties one must see, all decked out in their school girl outfits and sexy lingerie. C'Mon man, all a lady has to do is check in with little to no make up, perhaps wearing a ball cap.
and I am sure that this strategy does *not* catch the great majority for the reason you point out and in addition because in person she may not look all that much like her (possibly) glammed up images....
again though -
the most secure people I know are a number of favored agencies and they all blur face pics - not completely - when you meet the lady you realize that it was her - but enough so that people do not recognize her in general -
the most security conscious and successful (over many years) indies I know also blur face pics and / or have a website where you have to be screened to see the content.....
I don't think this is by accident....
this is not a philosophical debate -
and though everyone is "entitled to their opinion" -
not all opinions are created equal :p some work in the real world and some do not....
All front desks have this hidden button they press as soon as provider is checking in. Here comes the SWAT team.
Do you the consequences of such an action to a hotel chain?
Fact? Horse Shit
Do you have any idea how much money I have riding on you for SPOTY, and do you have any idea how many SPOTY points you are losing by actually making sense for a change?
Let's see, between all the many posters chiming in on this thread, we have to have hundreds of thousands of individual hotel rendezvous collectively, has anyone EVER seen, been involved in, or have any first hand knowledge of the police ever kicking in the door "mid act" and making an arrest?
and can you imagine the public relations nightmare that would ensue for any hotel chain that was found to be compromising the privacy of their guests, not to mention the even bigger nightmare scenario of having the police busting in on a couple NOT engaged in P4P and the ensuing civil suit that would result.
Now please say something really stupid so we all know that someone hasn't hacked your account and that it's really you. lmao
I've heard stories from plenty of ladies who have experienced exactly what he's describing. Hotel staff are told to look for women traveling alone (along with other signs), then they'll have ads printed out with ladies' photos and touring dates.
I've just come up with a great idea. When I travel, I can rent my accompanying services out to providers checking into hotels, and I'd be cheap, a blowjob. Brilliant I'll tell ya, I'm friggin brilliant. They can pretend pretend like I'm the boyfriend by saying honey where do you want to go for dinner, or Daddy, which ever works better. And I actually do accompany her to the room, to collect my fee, a blowjob, I know I already told you the fee would be a blowjob earlier, but I like blowjobs so much that I wanted to type the word blowjob a few more times. I like blowjobs so much that I can't niece I get any work done, oh crap I'm at work right now typing about blowjobs.
Do I have a problem?
As I said, I stay in a hotel Monday to Thursday every week. Same hotel so I don’t have to carry a suitcase back and forth every week. I see at least 30 to 40 single women, in the 20’s 30’s and 40’s every week. Most of them come down to the bar and I and other guys sitting in the bar had many interesting conversations. Some I have seen many times in the bar.
Women traveling on business is mainstream unless, you happen to be town without any major businesses. Moreover, if you report someone based on a photo, it is invasion of privacy and hotel will get sued. Hotels today will check your government issued ID and some will even make Photo Copy. Even though, I have stayed at the same hotel for more than three months every week, they still ask me to show my ID.
The truth is, unless you bring attention to yourself, no one gives a shit.
How many providers on their web page or on the photo board advertise for solicitation? None, as far as I know. What does everyone say?
Someone who only has good memories? 
No, I'm not smarter than a fifth grader
My local provider went on tour about a year ago. The local LE had checked out the local boards to see who was touring in that area and handed out pictures and info on them to all the local hotels. About an hour after she checked in there was a knock at her door. It was the hotel manager along with two cops. They showed her the touring info that she had posted, along with her pics, and was asked to leave immediately. She didn't get arrested but it scared the hell out of her and she is very UTR now. No more tours and only sees clients she saw before her tour snafu. Some hotels even do this on there own without any prompting by the cops. They just call them when they need to remove a provider from the premises.
instead of a cow poke city.
it is the high end chains that cooperate most closely with LE - they are the ones who have the most to lose by stories getting out of prostitution going on in their hotels. By cooperating with LE they can arrange quiet and quick removals of providers that don't make the news....
several of them have a very bad nationwide reputation for facilitating provider busts....
Very well known hotel chain; not a cowpoke city by any means. No BP ads posted either. She posted on TER and another popular site that starts with an e. LE and hotels definitely snoop sites to gather intel......
For a victim-less crime. I can understand if a woman is being coerced or trafficked. As far as I can tell none of the women I've seen are being coerced or trafficked, and if that were the case I wouldn't see them again as I don't care to be party to that.
Obviously the fuzz will want to make a big bust. Right?
Where do you think they look first?
Agencies have a bulls eye on them..
If you don't know that..
I'll start sending the last 4 years of articles of them getting busted
or at least none that I've done business with....
if you don't see faces than this method of apprehension does not work....
I am amused by all of the guys who think that agencies are the danger - they *know* they have a bullseye on their back... the toughest screening and best security protocols I've ever come into contact with have been through agencies (with the exception of a very small handful of indies...)
you want to think that agencies are not safe and indies are -
well -
agency busts make a big splash -
but the crime report says otherwise....
I agree with what you said.
But I'd rather get busted with an Indy vs an agency..
Catch my drift? Hutch?
not realizing that indie busts outnumber agency busts by orders of magnitude.
guys who like indies want to think that they are invulnerable - they are not -
hotels very actively cooperate with LE - read the post in this thread by a guy who used to be a desk manager or from some of the providers saying the same thing
it is not safe to see a girl who shows her face and hotels need to be understood as hostile environments
it does not mean that you can't safely see providers there - but you have to be selective and discrete and have your wits about you
street walkers and BP girls, so they distort the risk of seeing indies, especially if you limit yourself to well reviewed TER girls charging more than $300/hr.
And in that price range I'd say Agency girls are more risky. LE gets much more bang for the buck going after agencies than they do going after discreet, high-end indies.
There have certainly been several high-profile agency busts in the past few years but very few of high-end indies.
If MK doubts me on this, simply check out the major agencies in any given city. you will find that many of the agencies use unblurred face pics, at least as large a percentage as indies.
I use both agencies and indies, depending on the city I am in. Some cities are great agency cities, like Atlanta for instance, and others are not. Dallas being a good example. I have to agree that agencies are the more visible targets, but they are only more at risk for the ladies that they employ IMO, and as a simple customer I am not worried that LE is going to kick the door down while I am "in the act" I also have no worries about LE tracking me down after busting an agency and obtaining their "little black book" of clients. Now if I were married or if being outed as a whore monger could adversely impact my life, i might be a bit more worried about that risk, but LE can't bust me for being on a client list, and being "outed" is hardly an issue for me as I've been out in the open for years.
For the regular folks the face is blurred but it's easy to get access to the unblurred stuff. A well known agency that was the subject of a major but last summer did this. And all their info re Johns' names and phone #s was seized. I haven't heard of a single guy being outed or busted.
it's the big chains that cooperate most with LE - several have quite the reputation for being unsafe for this very reason - and they want it that way
low rent places do not care who stays there..... they don't have the huge reputation to protect....
You are right, the Motel Six, Days INN, Comfort Inn, etc. are very big hotel chains. Number hotels/motels they have is far greater than, Marriott, Hilton, Sheraton, Embassy Suites, Ritz, and all other hotels 4 star or higher. Do you which chain has the largest number of hotels in the world?
Haven't you ever seen "before and after" make up and hair photos of female celebrities and models?
I was 5 feet from Heidi Klum at a BH restaurant a few years back. She was with then hubby Seal and the kids. If my celebrity conscious date had not pointed Heidi out I would never have known because of her low profile street wear, make-up and hair.
Hotel employees see a thousand people a day, an advertised provider sans make-up hair and accessories is NOT going to stand out.
Not so much discretion me thinks.
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Then tineye's them?
Do you have any idea how time consuming that would be?
I've seen lots of girls who show their face.
When they are dressed civie.. You would never make the connection
There have been occasions where I thought to myself, she doesn't look like the same women when I see her again. I would never be able to recognize a provider in the civie setting.
Do you have any idea how time consuming that would be?
I've seen lots of girls who show their face.
When they are dressed civie.. You would never make the connection.
I don't understand your handle. What does it have to do with escorts?
A skilled hacker can slap together a working system within a day.
It isn't even all that expensive anymore either. Facebook has em. Most phones and cameras have em.
How difficult is it to take photos of face and compare it to a list of suspected escorts that LE has supplied to hotel management while she standing in the lobby waiting to check in?
Hotels that are working with LE are obviously interested in avoiding criminal activities on their premises.
I agree that it's completly possible.
I just don't see it happening..
If they fucked up just once.. It would end them.
Could you imagine a hotel turning away a buisness woman because they suspected she was an escort??
I don't see that ending very well for them.
Did errors from finger print matching end forensic science?
I just don't see it happening..
If they fucked up just once.. It would end them.
Could you imagine a hotel turning away a buisness woman because they suspected she was an escort??
I don't see that ending very well for them.
But, the front desk doesn’t get to see them.
Some hotel chains, with a national reputation at stake with its patrons, are on the lookout for touring escorts and do their own homework. Some of these chains do it on their own volition and others work with LE. Many hotel chains sniff out escort sites to get the 411 on touring escorts in their area. Not hard at all for them to do. This actually happens more than one would think.
Hotels/LE can view TER, BP, other escort sites and probably even p411 as easily as us hobbyists. Kind of scary, but it certainly happens.
I doubt facial recognition has a large part in this, although it is certainly possible. All it takes is for some diligence by the hotel staff, which is not that hard. When LE sends out alerts to area hotels it makes it even easier.
Told me that they've had hotel management refuse them because they recognized their photos. These aren't street walkers but girls in top 100 with stellar reviews.
They weren't arrested or anything but simply denied. Hotel regularly works with law enforcement in my area so it wasnt a surprise to me that this happens. I don't know if LE gave the hotel real names of suspected escorts or not but who knows why they were denied.
One of the girls took her face photos off line since this happened, another just used photos with heavier makeup. Never had a single problem since then.
In Mass and NH. If you have a valid ID and can pay for the room upfront they HAVE TO rent a room to you. I think in Mass its a ID and CC.
if you're scared of providers' pictures, then why are you even in the hobby in the first place?
it's the provider's problem if anyone recognizes them. let them deal with it.
might want to drop this hobby and take up knitting. it's safer and no pictures to worry about.
Not so much discretion me thinks.
Take a look at the photo board today if you want an idea of what I'm talking about.
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I was contacted by an out of state provider visiting my area a couple of years ago....
I am leery of hotels so I showed up early as I usually do to have a walk through and check around the outside of the facility...
When I was there I saw plain clothes LE on premises and saw them had a clipboard of what appeared to be images printed in B&W (cheaply) on plain paper
hmm....
I left the premises and returned in a while for my date....
The provider told me that she had checked in and what room she was in
well - they put her in a ground floor room... I walked up and noticed that she was put
in the last room at the end of the hall, which ended at a double door to the outside.
I opened the door and saw two squad cars replete with four uniforms sitting there...
I smiled at them, turned around and walked out of the hotel.
I drove a couple of blocks away and texted the lady that she had better lay low....
She had clear face pictures on her many adds.....
just an anecdote but one of many that convince me that blurring the face or requiring
that the client be screened before being allowed to see images makes good sense.....
Walking around a hotel, checking things out a very suspicious activity. Walking around any building and checking it out is suspicious activity for any business.
You automatically concluded some one with a clip board and some black and white images are of providers. Unless you are from the planet Krpyton or got closer than three feet from person carrying the clip board, there isn’t any way you can tell what B&W images were those.
Stop making up shit.
you sure do like to spin other peoples posts to fit your fantasy world lo
The manpower that you describe is more suited for a sting targeting johns that the resources that would be devoted to busting a single hooker. That would mean that the woman would have to be LE herself, not the subject of a sting. No police force in the country would waste the resources you are describing simply to attempt to bust one hooker because of an internet ad.
Nice try, but no cigar. I don't buy it for a minute. Even a moron like our little mushroom cap can smell the bullshit on this post.
I have been at the lobby counter of several different hotels and witnessed first hand as a plain clothed policeman delivered a dossier of mug shots and names etc to the front desk clerk, with the tacit instructions to call in a tip if any of the profiled people checked in. From what I could tell, they seemed to be people who were "persons of interest" in on-going investigations, or else had outstanding warrants.
But though the faces on today's photos aren't the most alluring as some of days past, I wouldn't go as far as to call them SCARY. Just sort of plain janes.
This person is just weird and confused, period. He's just enjoying stirring up people's emotions. IGNORE. I normally would ignore but with how upset and paranoid some people are, I just wanted to point out what a waste this poster is.
This is NOT smart by the girl, regardless of where she is in her life. She may be blackmail proof now, but her life could change in the future with a marriage, job, etc. For the girls own safety, she should not show unblurred photos.
As for the guy, of course it increases his risk. Now, that risk increase may be minute, but in an illegal profession where every sane person I know of looks to limit risk, this doesn't seem to be the wisest decision.
I personally don't need to see a face shot. Once you are tied into UTR girls and can read reviews of reviewers that you know and trust of non-UTR gals, that is all one should ever need.
those images might become inconvenient in the long run regardless of the issue of security...
and like you I don't need to see face pics to make up my mind.... reviews are plenty.... or relationships with trusted agencies who do not bring in 'butterface' gals....
simple -
that way there is enough information between the website and reviews for a monger to make a decision
and once he has passed screening, he is given a password and more images and posts / details are available....
...until that pre-screened guy decides to share those top secret photos with his hobbyist buddies.
that way there is enough information between the website and reviews for a monger to make a decision
and once he has passed screening, he is given a password and more images and posts / details are available....
Eros does, too. So can't copy and paste her private shots.
...most times you can copy those photos from an ipad. No such thing as a right click in the apple world.
And there is always "print screen" and then Photoshop In non-apple computer systems
I have no trouble finding out what a gal looks like. It's called back channel. It's good to have friends.
You can always take a screen shot or snip it.. The "right click" disable doesn't keep it from being copied. I would use the snipping tool for those types of images if I were so inclined.
Just take a screen shot of the webpage and then paste it into an editor...there are free ones online and you still have the image.
There is always a work around in the computer world. You can disable right click but a simple print screen captures the entire web page and then take your pick of image capture software to grab the pics into JPEG or whatever photo format you want. Time consuming...yup, but it just goes to show you that if it's out there it can be snagged. And I won't even get into the location data that's stored on photos. Yup.
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I don't want to give it away but there is a built in program on windows that gets you around the right-click protection. Can't figure out how to do it with protected video (like on broadcast tv. shows) but I've done it to test and it works on any image.
Best to be safe.
Thanks for the info, all.
I google image check eros pictures all the time. It is super simple and does not require screen capture.
and unfortunately even the most sensible and security conscious provider's best attempts at making this safe for herself and her clients can be undone by just one idiot....
I know a few providers and agencies who have cut off some guys for not being security conscious or discrete enough - and I don't blame them.....
but we all have to do our best -
LE thrives on low hanging fruit -
don't be that.....
as a savvy customer I avoid those I deem to be low hanging fruit as well.....
We aren't talking about your nut sack?
Are we?
I definetly want to avoid that low hanging fruit!
Seriously though..
This type of forum/ escort thing is so much safer, and classier then anything I've known my workmates, or friends to do.
These guys hit up AMP's.. Straight up brothels, and street walkers..
IMO. That's the dangerous.. Low end to prostitution..
I'd like to think this is the upper middle class of the game.
For some... Closer to the top.
Am I off base there?
Our hotels (upscale) barter with most LE Depts. They provide us with various levels of security and response time and we in exchange provide them with weekly client lists. These lists they use to compare with other hotels in the area who also use the barter system.
They sit down with GM's and discuss ladies who frequent the hotels in the area. They look for patterns, especially ladies whose home address (from their DL) are within 50miles of the hotels in question. They also look for ladies who stay frequently and are traveling but stay at various hotels within a certain area. (Ladies flagged DO have a note on their accounts and LEO is notified by the GM or Front Desk when they check-in again)
For example, Lady A is in Greenville and stays at Hotel 1 on 8/1 then she checks into Hotel 2 (also in Gville) on 8/15 and then back at Hotel 1 on 8/20. This (to LEO) is a Red Flag because most "Business Professionals" stay at the same location when in a city for their Rewards Card credits.
Now onto Reward Cards:
If LEO notices a pattern from a specific lady AND she has a Rewards Membership then they easily use Us (Management) to look up their stays any and everywhere they have stayed within that chain . So traveling ladies should NEVER use rewards cards because it gives a timeline of where they go and is easily comparable to their Provider Identity once they are figured out.
Hotel Internet:
If you have ever read the WiFi agreement that you so easily scroll through at hotels you will find that you are subject to your site visits/history being traced and that history is stored.
Knowing this, This is how I Hobby:
I choose to only visit ladies who are verifiable, well reviewed (10 or more positive reviews) and who are providers in their own private residence. It is much harder for their homes to be accessed by LEO (without a warrant & that is only achievable with existing PROOF of sex for trade/money unless she just plain advertises it) and there is never a worry that someone is going to come from the next room over and arrest us. I do ask for a tour upon arrival and I ask before booking if that is an option so that I am secure and know there isn't someone else in the house.
Some of your HEADS overpower your heads! Use your brain!
This is all very interesting, and it is unique to have someone with your level of knowledge sharing all this, but it leads to the inevitable question: what does LE do with all this information they have accumulated? It seems as if most busts are BP related and that they do not seem to worry as much about (or at least arrest) out of state higher end escort-travelers even if they stay at 3 different local hotels over 4 days. It sounds like they collect red flags, but what are the next steps they take, if you know? Or am I wrong and they do arrest the people who they accumulated data on even if they are high end/well reviewed etc etc etc?
Good Q and Perspective.
They do often arrest ladies but more importantly they stop and question (as if to arrest) the Gents as they leave the hotel. (Out of sight of the lady and other Hotel guests) They offer to let him leave for his cooperation and information and for not advising the lady party of this arrangement. After a few visitors have left from her room and cooperated they then arrest her. Often these ladies are booked without it being known to the public and without it being posted to the jails websites to avoid knowledge of stings so they can continue their investigations in the areas they are working.
The records they keep are legit and these guys know what they are doing. They are often at the bars in the hotels and mingling on Rewards level floors looking just like the rest of us.
It is not just the higher end hotels that work with them. They work with any hotel that needs some level of LEO protection/security/presence which is all of them. And what hotel doesn't want FREE security when the overhead of it runs a good 40-100k per year for a private company?
First of all, hotels usually know when escorts are staying there. There are lots of clues but hotels usually don't care as long as the girl pays her bills, keeps the noise down, and does not trash the room. The hotels make a lot of money on escorting I am sure.
LE will investigate if a hotel calls with a complaint. The flip side of this is LE does nothing if nobody calls them. They have other things to do like eat donuts...or whatever. The result is an escort can go about her business with no problems most of the time. These are the facts as I have seen over 10 years of hobbying.
But things are changing and the following is more my opinion, not pure fact: Recently the Federal Govt has been allocating money to fight "human trafficking" So now LE has to go out and arrest some hookers, so they can have their donuts and eat them too...and a few cops get laid in the process. The result is some escorts get arrested, even when they do everything right.
Without proof of money being exchanged for sex, they can not arrest you. So unless they have video of you giving her money, or left her a personal check; how would they prove this?
If I were ever stopped, I would have no ID on me, as I go into the hotel with only the donation.
Then I would tell them that I was there for some legitimate reason. Maybe I am a free-lance graphic designer and I am going to do some work for her, or maybe we were conducting an interview, as she needed a personal assistant. I once interviewed for a sales job with a well-known Pharmaceutical company, my in person interview was conducted in a hotel with a very attractive woman. We actually went to her suit and sat at the table to do the interview
Your "cover story" gives far too much information, even if it's fiction. The only thing you should say if questioned by LE is "I have done nothing wrong and I have nothing to say to you," "am I free to go?"
Lying to cops is a crime, one often easily proven. If stopped they likely will not let you go until they verify who you are.
But you are right, telling them you are seeing a sex worker is stupid. Only thing you should communicate to the cops is:
"I choose not to answer questions without my lawyer present."
"My name is ______, I live _____________."
"I want my lawyer."
"I refuse all searches."
"I am choosing to remain silent."
"Am I being detained or am I free to go."
Stick to the list above while obeying all police commands is the best way to help yourself and the lady in question. Yes the cops will be suspicious but they already are. Lying will be used as proof of ring doing. Best not to say nothing about anything but exercising you right. Ask any lawyer and they will tell you the best thing can do is shut the fuck up and not lie, not admit anything, just shut the fuck up.
As why men talk, fear. Cops will lie and bargain to get you to talk. Then use anything you say to prosecute you and the lady you seen. Any deals are not binding. In short anyone taking to cops truth or lie is fucking themselves in a very bad way. Not a lawyer but I did my homework. But you are right ratting out yourself and the lady isn't wise.
Any client who followed your advice would be proven a fool the second the officer asked you to tell him your "design client's" NAME. You would get flustered and tell him "Susie Sugar-Tits" ie her PROVIDER NAME, NOT HER LEGAL NAME. The jig would be up right there. They would proceed to relentlessly badger you about why you don't know her REAL name, and the more you blushed and stumbled over your words, the more you would be incriminating yourself.
Forget everything you THINK you know about the US legal system AND MEMORIZE THE SCRIPT IN SCOED'S POST. I have used almost that EXACT wording in THREE different situations, both as an escort and also in my personal life. I was released without out arrest all three times!
Just be prepared to get a lot of glares and sighs from the officers! They HATE when you start reciting that spiel, because they know they are dealing with an informed citizen who is going to make their job difficult. Lol.
But she better be dating me!
I wouldn't do this for just any escort who is using the room to "work", not even close friend. It's huge risk on my part
OK, here's where you lost me. It's not illegal to be a slut that sleeps with men for free. How does the hotel or LEO know there is money exchanged? So what if I want to get a hotel within a mile of my home to fool around with a married man? Affairs happen at hotels ALL THE TIME! Two married co-workers might have a secret rendezvous 2 - 3 times a week. A horney housewife might sneek around on her husband by picking up men (for free) and taking them to a hotel to bang. None of this is illegal, so where do the "red flags" come from?
Jessica
They sit down with GM's and discuss ladies who frequent the hotels in the area. They look for patterns, especially ladies whose home address (from their DL) are within 50miles of the hotels in question. They also look for ladies who stay frequently and are traveling but stay at various hotels within a certain area. (Ladies flagged DO have a note on their accounts and LEO is notified by the GM or Front Desk when they check-in again)
For example, Lady A is in Greenville and stays at Hotel 1 on 8/1 then she checks into Hotel 2 (also in Gville) on 8/15 and then back at Hotel 1 on 8/20. This (to LEO) is a Red Flag because most "Business Professionals" stay at the same location when in a city for their Rewards Card credits.
Now onto Reward Cards:
If LEO notices a pattern from a specific lady AND she has a Rewards Membership then they easily use Us (Management) to look up their stays any and everywhere they have stayed within that chain . So traveling ladies should NEVER use rewards cards because it gives a timeline of where they go and is easily comparable to their Provider Identity once they are figured out.
Hotel Internet:
If you have ever read the WiFi agreement that you so easily scroll through at hotels you will find that you are subject to your site visits/history being traced and that history is stored.
Knowing this, This is how I Hobby:
I choose to only visit ladies who are verifiable, well reviewed (10 or more positive reviews) and who are providers in their own private residence. It is much harder for their homes to be accessed by LEO (without a warrant & that is only achievable with existing PROOF of sex for trade/money unless she just plain advertises it) and there is never a worry that someone is going to come from the next room over and arrest us. I do ask for a tour upon arrival and I ask before booking if that is an option so that I am secure and know there isn't someone else in the house.
Some of your HEADS overpower your heads! Use your brain!
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This information is used along with the local ads. Take a look at any escort story on 20/20, Dateline or your local news and you will notice that boards like this one, BP, P4, DC, EG, AFF, among others are very well known to Leo. Leo is on these boards more often that we are at times. All it takes is them comparing their "red flags" (with DL photos) to ladies who are advertising in the area. It's common sense on that part, really.
Ladie can come up with all the "being careful" stories that are acceptable to them but I assure you they are not acceptable to LEO nore the IRS. Especially when your reviews state you've met x# of "friends" at your minimum hourly rate but haven't claimed "Entertainment" as a profession or other income since the years your reviews began.
Then when they have statements from the Gentlemen verifying your meeting for xxx dollars in lieu of the Gent being charged (and his family or employer discovering his hobby) it makes it very hard for you to escape this charge, if not by LEO then by the IRS/Feds for tax evasion.
On that end it's smarter to claim income from this "job" so that T.Evasion is not ever something you have to deal with. With your incomes, You can obviously afford it! I know a few ladies who have disappeared from the hobby due to the tax charge now. But Good Luck to each of You! I hope you all stay around forever! As well as myself. Hobbying is too fun not to be careful in. As they say, "Everything Fun is A Sin"
Jessica
They sit down with GM's and discuss ladies who frequent the hotels in the area. They look for patterns, especially ladies whose home address (from their DL) are within 50miles of the hotels in question. They also look for ladies who stay frequently and are traveling but stay at various hotels within a certain area. (Ladies flagged DO have a note on their accounts and LEO is notified by the GM or Front Desk when they check-in again)
For example, Lady A is in Greenville and stays at Hotel 1 on 8/1 then she checks into Hotel 2 (also in Gville) on 8/15 and then back at Hotel 1 on 8/20. This (to LEO) is a Red Flag because most "Business Professionals" stay at the same location when in a city for their Rewards Card credits.
Now onto Reward Cards:
If LEO notices a pattern from a specific lady AND she has a Rewards Membership then they easily use Us (Management) to look up their stays any and everywhere they have stayed within that chain . So traveling ladies should NEVER use rewards cards because it gives a timeline of where they go and is easily comparable to their Provider Identity once they are figured out.
Hotel Internet:
If you have ever read the WiFi agreement that you so easily scroll through at hotels you will find that you are subject to your site visits/history being traced and that history is stored.
Knowing this, This is how I Hobby:
I choose to only visit ladies who are verifiable, well reviewed (10 or more positive reviews) and who are providers in their own private residence. It is much harder for their homes to be accessed by LEO (without a warrant & that is only achievable with existing PROOF of sex for trade/money unless she just plain advertises it) and there is never a worry that someone is going to come from the next room over and arrest us. I do ask for a tour upon arrival and I ask before booking if that is an option so that I am secure and know there isn't someone else in the house.
Some of your HEADS overpower your heads! Use your brain!
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none of those disclaimers about "companionship only" will protect you
if you have an add and they recognize you they will either evict you from the hotel or call L
The hotel chain broke about half a dozen federal and a dozen state laws on privacy. You cannot voluntarily give out someones personal information to anyone.
Every reward card you sign up, privacy information must be protected and the company collecting the information must disclose how they are going to use the information to the public. It is federal law. For that matter, any one collecting any private information must disclose or protect the collected information to the highest level of available privacy protection. I make living advising companies what they can and cannot do with the individual private information they collect, store, and use. If any of you don’t believe me, apply for a reward card and read what you are agreeing to.
Which hotel chain was this? When was this? In the 1920’s, perhaps.
Name names, and I am going to get ACLU to file a lawsuit against the hotel chain. Please do not come up with some excuse or BS answer.
Next you are going to tell us you did this with the FBI, CIA and the NSA.
Reward cards: Another piece of shit scare mongering. Do you even know how many women in general have reward cards and travel regularly, even weekly on business? Literally, thousands and thousands across this country. I travel every week, and I have reward cards for every major hotels in the world.
Next you are going to tell us, you also watch credit card transactions.
Great story to spread amongst your uninformed, and illogical drunk friends to make you look all knowledgeable in inner workings of hotel chains.
I happen to know the GM of the hotel I stay weekly and I am going to ask him if this is true Monday. He may not tell me but, I am ask him any way. I see him pretty much every morning during breakfast.
...even for previous or screened clients because my mind immediately went to passing around the password OR screenshots being taken.
...and who cares what the hotel staff thinks or even knows for that matter. And BTW they do know. The extra towel requests alone is a giveaway. One gal I see said she heavily tips when asking for extra towels. Everyone is happy. During my last appt one of the hotel staff walked into the room. Not far enough to see us but so what if they did. My escort shouted out that she signed on for an extended stay morning or something like that and the person retreated. You must be from a small place and with an alias like Homewrecker you have good reason to be paranoid.
paramount in this. I'm with you. I don't want to be recognized both for my own sake and for my client's sake.
...as to why I stay so frequently. I highly doubt hotel staff in this county, especially this neighborhood are looking at escort photos. They would lose a TON of business. I have run into providers (that show their face) staying at hotels in this neighborhood three times, that's how popular this neighborhood is for P4P. If I was playing in Gwinnett or Cobb county, I'd blur my face for sure.
I will never be a top 100 or even long-standing popular provider. People will forget me as soon as I retire except for my regulars. I will never work in politics or become an actress or work in media or work in a school. I don't even wish to live in the U.S. for much longer than a year.
So, I'm really not worried about it. And, you shouldn't be either.
I know here in Alaska the staff doesn't care. EOM
and am in the media quite a bit. My family knows what I do - I have no secrets and have never
had problems.
Ladies working outside the legal system who tour, need to be discreet for their own safety. I am aware that hotels in Washington DC work with the local police.
Madiso
From a business standpoint, a hotel manager should be glad to have you conducting your business there as long as you stay low key and don't make troubles to other guests. Heck, if I were a hotel manger, i'd say f*ck the police. They don't provide the hotel with a steady income.
A clever manager will separate the normal guests and the providers on different floors (probably lower floors for the ladies due to all the stomping we all do, lol). That way, everyone is happy
Keeping a house of prostitution charge could cost the hotel it's liquor license. Smart management wants no knowledge of any P4P on premis. Once upon a time you could tell the concierge that you wanted an "extra pillow" for your bed. He would arrange a girl for you. Not anymore.
Just like you keeping from getting recognized by the traffic cameras, in airports, and department stores.
Do you think the hotel staff cares about what you do or don’t?
Do you think the hotel staff is working for the LE and paid by them?
I stay in 4 star hotel every week and have never seen a cop any where nearby the hotel in the last 6 months.
Folks on this board frequently talk about busts and hotels cooperating, and y'all back it up with a story you heard from where? Do y'all have first hand knowledge of hotels with these practices (besides the hotel manager that posted), or have y'all met the providers that got busted? Or is this all second and third and forth hand (dis)info?
I mean really. Questioning clients on their way out? How did LE even know what room he came out of?
Do y'all really believe half the stories you hear? Have you ever played telephone as a kid? The story gets changed. I bet these legends of busts originated from girls who don't screen and girls who use 2stars where the door is on the outside and girls that play in areas heavily worked by LE and girls that have swift visit revolving doors. These legends somehow traveled up the middle and upper echelons and into other areas where LE only targets freestylers and non-screening BP girls.
I heard a story once from a high end provider in Cowtown, USA about LE in Bumfucked, Egypt feeding hobbyists and providers disinfo to keep us paranoid. So, we'll get so paranoid that we can become hypnotized by the Illuminati. It's true because I heard it on the TER boards from a high end provider that has a masters in tin foil helmets and minored in purple kool-aid.
Don't get me wrong. I know some folks have no choice but to play in areas heavily worked by LE. But, for the rest of us that screen, that don't have revolving doors, that use large hotels with doors on the inside, that play in an area where the police are busy with real criminals, we're ok and don't need to be judged for not blurring our faces.
... and a refresher for those who have
The girls mentioned in it were NOT checking in to hotels on the stip. They were working the lobby, bars and casinos. The word used was they "frequented" the hotels, not that they were guests there. Different thing entirely.
They could, but in LV I'm pretty sure they don't care. They just don't like obvious hookers working their public spaces because some of them are ROBs. They could care less about hookers taking rooms. But in LV, hookers mostly go to the trick's room. Were you aware of this? It makes me wonder if you've been to Vegas.