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I have many years in this business and the only solution I have found to curtail this to set prices where you want and not negotiate them. If you are running short on cash then I suggest you find some other sources of cash so that you are not having issues with paying your bills etc.  

At the end of the day when you start feeling bad about what you charged or received for a booking its a matter of time before you start getting mean spirited over the whole business.  

My rates are considered high in this market however, I feel good about my appointments, have fun etc. When a client low balls me on the phone to book an appointment, I just hang up. I am insulted at that point and anyone who insults me right off the bat is someone I don't want to see.  

Once you negotiate your rate its a downhill battle from there. typically when a guy calls and does that he has a habit of doing it. he then knows that once the girl gives in on the price he can keep slowly reducing the number because, you have let him know he can get away with it and that you need the money.  

As a rule in my adult business I never negotiate, because the guy has told me he has no respect for my time as soon as he calls me offering a lower price. he also doesn't see value in me. If that is the case its my responsibility to myself to put value on myself and my time.  

In closing, get other income options so your not in that situation and two charge only what your comfortable with and if they don't want to pay then let them move on. Only a small ratio of clients are going to be true regulars so either way they will move along when they get ready, why get less and then they go pay the full price somewhere else. In addition, most guys don't care how you feel after they have gotten a deal off you. You owe it to yourself to be happy about yourself and I feel you are hurting yourself everytime you allow anyone to give you less then what your feel comfortable receiving. My 2 cents

Bahamia1873 reads

Once again, I found myself yesterday allowing myself to do an appointment for far less than I felt comfortable doing it for. I did it because I was so desperate, because I haven't had any clients all week. I went from making $700 between 2 clients over 2 WEEKS ago, to not having a single client since that time.  

I basically put an ad out on 1 of the popular personals/classifieds websites. I gave the guy an already decent price: $100 for massage+release. He says it's too much for massage. I made up my mind, that I would accept a lesser rate, because I was down to $10 to my name. But I told him, massage only. He gets here, it ends up become more than a massage I ended up doing more for $60 measly bucks.  

I want people to know, I have read up on marketing online and in books so much over these past few months. I understand the need to stand behind rates, etc. But, what can I do when no one is calling my $200-250/hr ads? I have ads up on 4-5 sites, and nobody is calling. I know I can get the rates I'm asking for, because I have been for 5 years. But, it's gotten to the point, where once reasonable rates I thought I was charging of $160, people tell me THAT'S too much!  

Although I prefer to go by a moniker on here, due to personal reasons...I have the looks/body to do this work. I've been doing it all along. When I post personals ads, I get lots of messages...but they either don't want to pay, or expect it to come for some ridiculous lowball rate.  

I'm just beyond...frustrated and depressed right now. I just don't understand how on earth it could be so hard to find 1 client to pay me my full rate of 150-200  this week. Yet, 3 weeks ago, I had someone do just that. Gave me $300. But, that was 3 weeks ago.  

 



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If you have a no review policy maybe? You can get on the provider board after a couple reviews to talk on there. I'm sure some ladies can help you take a look into it. Not sure if you have VIP

Bahamia838 reads

I have reviews, but not on this site though. However, I wish to remain ANONYMOUS, simply because I'm needing guidance, and I don't want that to come across in my persona/advertising. I have a total of about 12 reviews across 2 main websites. All positive, 1 negative, but 2 positive ones were the latest I received.

People in my area still don't hire me often enough though from those sites. I don't know if it's because I'm not White or what. But, I know it's because I'm not White, because it's Colorado lol. But, I have a hard time believing these guys are haggling me JUST because of that. I've heard guys say, "those escorts on such and such site are so expensive"

Economy/recession stuff aside (unless, there's a recession in Colorado to all businesses except marijuana, which is ridiculous because you hear how they are making millions, but yet I can't even make $1,000 a month here), I know these guys can afford it. They just choose to want to haggle me down. I don't know if it's learned or instinctive lol.

A proper online presence is important in this day and age.  It reflects your image,  gives a good "first impression",  and helps your bottom line. You need one.  There are many ways to do this at a very low cost or for free. Proper active advertising campaign also helps.

1. Market for the area you're in and realistic price points.  
2. Save your money.  
3. More than one stream of income.  
4. Get reviews. Photos. And regulars.  

Posted By: Bahamia
Once again, I found myself yesterday allowing myself to do an appointment for far less than I felt comfortable doing it for. I did it because I was so desperate, because I haven't had any clients all week. I went from making $700 between 2 clients over 2 WEEKS ago, to not having a single client since that time. And the 1st of the month came around, I didn't even have cash to eat. I'm currently on public assistance, because things are so bad for me lately. Like, I'm literally on food stamps for the 1st time in my life, as of 2 months ago.  
   
 I basically put an ad out on 1 of the popular personals/classifieds websites. I gave the guy an already decent price: $100 for massage+release. He says it's too much for massage. I made up my mind, that I would accept a lesser rate, because I was down to $10 to my name. But I told him, massage only. He gets here, it ends up become more than a massage I ended up doing more for $60 measly bucks.  
   
 I want people to know, I have read up on marketing online and in books so much over these past few months. I understand the need to stand behind rates, etc. But, what can I do when no one is calling my $200-250/hr ads? I have ads up on 4-5 sites, and nobody is calling. I know I can get the rates I'm asking for, because I have been for 5 years. But, it's gotten to the point, where once reasonable rates I thought I was charging of $160, people tell me THAT'S too much!  
   
 Although I prefer to go by a moniker on here, due to personal reasons...I have the looks/body to do this work. I've been doing it all along. When I post personals ads, I get lots of messages...but they either don't want to pay, or expect it to come for some ridiculous lowball rate.  
   
 I'm just beyond...frustrated and depressed right now. I just don't understand how on earth it could be so hard to find 1 client to pay me my full rate of 150-200  this week. Yet, 3 weeks ago, I had someone do just that. Gave me $300. But, that was 3 weeks ago.    
   
   
   
 
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Bahamia636 reads

#1-4 I have covered. 2 and 3 just isn't possible. Saving my money, means saving to go on the next tour, as I do every month or twice a month. Or saving to pay rent/credit card bills that are late. I don't want a regular job right now, because I dealt with too much harassment in the past. I rather wait until I finish school.  

I'm trying to start school again, but I have a financial obligation to student aid that I can't pay. So frustrating

ROGM562 reads

Sorry you're having Financial Troubles. Seems these days us Guys don't have the Money to spend on you Lovely Ladies. The Economy is still in Bad Shape. At least you did see a Client. But as far as doing more for the lesser amount of Money you got, I would be firm on not doing more for the agreed amount of Money. You needed the Money at that time and I understand you had to do what you had to do.  

 
The Provider I'm seeing is in the same situation. Just this past week she only saw two of her regs all week. Me and another reg. She's asked me to help her out with food for the kids and recently a Birthday gift for her son. I help her out with NO EXPECTATION of getting a Free Session. I would never do that to her. She's really a Sweetheart just trying to survive. She treats me very very well. I don't mind helping her out because I know the Money is spent towards her kids and Bills. How do I know? I drive her to the store to buy Food for her kids.  

 
Good Luck to you. Hope things get better for you.

You can stuff your sorry's in a sack.

Posted By: ROGM
Sorry you're having Financial Troubles. Seems these days us Guys don't have the Money to spend on you Lovely Ladies. The Economy is still in Bad Shape. At least you did see a Client. But as far as doing more for the lesser amount of Money you got, I would be firm on not doing more for the agreed amount of Money. You needed the Money at that time and I understand you had to do what you had to do.    
   
   
 The Provider I'm seeing is in the same situation. Just this past week she only saw two of her regs all week. Me and another reg. She's asked me to help her out with food for the kids and recently a Birthday gift for her son. I help her out with NO EXPECTATION of getting a Free Session. I would never do that to her. She's really a Sweetheart just trying to survive. She treats me very very well. I don't mind helping her out because I know the Money is spent towards her kids and Bills. How do I know? I drive her to the store to buy Food for her kids.  
   
   
 Good Luck to you. Hope things get better for you.  

maybe try changing cities or even states

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if your name hits (certain) guys boards, they will freeze you out as much as they can to get you to lower your price. Even good regulars have been busted partaking in this evil work. There are guys only boards out there dedicated to lowballing and shorting and taking advantage of the good girls out here.  
also try fresh pics, new ad copy, new boards etc but otherwise...
If your calls dropped that drastically, check the review boards in that area, have a hacker friend copy the site and check the ip addresses of the reviewers etc(not sure what exactly but they can track down the asshole every time) report the incident and the original circumstances to the website admin and usually the good sites like ter here will take down fake bad stuff thats only posted to tear a ladies rates down. Unfortunately some of the review boards in cali ARE run by some of the WORST guys out there.
Also cyber stalking is a real thing now a days so you can press real charges against them in some cities depending on if you're legally running an entrainment business etc. and they are guilty of slander or libel. It can cause them serious and financially devastating consequences for messing with a web ho lol- one gal pal of mine got over 300,000 because a guy was putting fake reviews up of her all over and it was just her ex bf trying to ruin biz for her if he could keep her broke he could keep her home.

DO YOUR HOMEWORK_ YOU HAVE THE WAHOO_ YOU HAVE THE POWER!

Another thing to do is have a hacker friend do a lil check on each asshole who posts crap on these bad boy boards- wait a few months etc and get your own revenge- they are screwing with your income and lively hood because they can't afford your rates- period! again check your local laws baby girl!

We don't take down the local grocery store because we can afford filet mignon right! Girl keep asking for your rates- stay strong and live on ramen for a few more days- reach out to your fellow providers- we'd rather help each other than see another gal lowering herself more thanks kosher- it hurts us all in the long run. If they get a legit review up of you doing something cheap you are screwed- it'll take forever to get your rates back to normal- if its a LEGIT review at least- so just remember- that 100 call might cost you thousands a month in the long run- stay strong stick to your guns baby! I have- and they may not like it but I won't play their game even after 10 years- I like what I do but I know the good guys understand operating costs and this IS a business despite what the uneducated and heartless weiners want you to think!

I'm a guy, so I don't know about this from your side of the fence, but I was going suggest similar changes as anomaly and SirWilliam and then a few more.

Posted By: anomalycutie
if your name hits (certain) guys boards, they will freeze you out as much as they can to get you to lower your price. Even good regulars have been busted partaking in this evil work. There are guys only boards out there dedicated to lowballing and shorting and taking advantage of the good girls out here.  
 also try fresh pics, new ad copy, new boards etc but otherwise...
AND A NEW NAME / PERSONA?
If your calls dropped that drastically, check the review boards in that area, have a hacker friend copy the site and check the ip addresses of the reviewers etc(not sure what exactly but they can track down the asshole every time) report the incident and the original circumstances to the website admin and usually the good sites like ter here will take down fake bad stuff thats only posted to tear a ladies rates down. Unfortunately some of the review boards in cali ARE run by some of the WORST guys out there.  
 Also cyber stalking is a real thing now a days so you can press real charges against them in some cities depending on if you're legally running an entrainment business etc. and they are guilty of slander or libel. It can cause them serious and financially devastating consequences for messing with a web ho lol- one gal pal of mine got over 300,000 because a guy was putting fake reviews up of her all over and it was just her ex bf trying to ruin biz for her if he could keep her broke he could keep her home.
So here I go.  You've got your real name, your provider name in CO, and your TER alias.  I only know TER for reviews and there is a consensus that it's the best review site.  Can you make a COMPLETE change to a NEW provider name, build up a strong record of TER reviews -- heck, start with just one! -- but w/o getting lowballed.  Once you have a TER presence, things might go better.  

Another suggestion, if you're into it, is doubles.  Are you friendly with other Providers out there?  I don't mean intimate-friendly, just friendly enough to be comfortable talking about doing MFF together.  You might get to meet some guys you wouldn't meet otherwise and they might then follow-up with 1-on-1 meetings. (I suggest doing the new-name TER thing if you're going to try doubles.)

Good luck.


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Bahamia575 reads

Thanks for your suggestions. Actually, I had experienced something similar to this just recently. I was under attack, and had to threaten legal remedies on a different forum which i will not mention. I was scoffed at, but ironically the site was hacked and I'm no longer the subject of abuse. They've pretty much turned on each other. So, it's 'calmed down' for me. I'm trying to rebuild my reputation...and that's why I made a pact with myself to only post anonymously, so that my character isn't attacked. Because truth is...I offer exceptional experience to clients, and don't want them knowing my personal business/issues.

However, despite the attacks...I don't think that's the reason for things being the way they are for me. It may have affected it somewhat, but hell...I guess even if 1 $500 client was turned off, that's $500 I could have banked. Non of my regulars ever come to me discussing anything on review forums. They find me on backpage, and stick with me for months...so they aren't hobbyist so to speak.  

I have changed my name entirely, but it may take awhile. I haven't yet done a new photo shoot this season, so guys may still recognize me. But, I changed my website and alias on websites.

Funny guys expect upscale, amazing experiences after making a girl starve, get behind on her bills, lower her rates, then come see her.

When rates are lower, the girl sees more people... Then the guys complain that a girl sees more people. Lol.

You definitely overestimate the intelligence and ability of the male species to get along with each other.  

Advising alot of businesses,  I find that when business doesn't go as well as we like, it is easy to blame everything but ourselves. We conjure up conspiracies, we inflate obstacles so that we have an excuse for not succeeding. There are ladies on this site that constantly get pillared here and in the mens board, yet they do amazingly well despite it.

GaGambler644 reads

which is not at all.

I did a quick search of Ebony ladies in Denver, one in particular caught my eye, she gets $500 hr, has nothing but 10's and seems to have no problems at all keeping her "dance card" full.

I agree that most of the time it's more productive to look inward instead of outward for one's failures. That is of course, IF you actually want to better yourself instead of simply having a cryfest.

IsorokuYamamoto509 reads

Ya lol of course it's the guys cartel ruining her biz. Maybe she needs to reevaluate HER biz model not turn into a BSC cyber stalking hooker. Maybe?

Posted By: anomalycutie
if your name hits (certain) guys boards, they will freeze you out as much as they can to get you to lower your price. Even good regulars have been busted partaking in this evil work. There are guys only boards out there dedicated to lowballing and shorting and taking advantage of the good girls out here.  
 also try fresh pics, new ad copy, new boards etc but otherwise...  
 If your calls dropped that drastically, check the review boards in that area, have a hacker friend copy the site and check the ip addresses of the reviewers etc(not sure what exactly but they can track down the asshole every time) report the incident and the original circumstances to the website admin and usually the good sites like ter here will take down fake bad stuff thats only posted to tear a ladies rates down. Unfortunately some of the review boards in cali ARE run by some of the WORST guys out there.  
 Also cyber stalking is a real thing now a days so you can press real charges against them in some cities depending on if you're legally running an entrainment business etc. and they are guilty of slander or libel. It can cause them serious and financially devastating consequences for messing with a web ho lol- one gal pal of mine got over 300,000 because a guy was putting fake reviews up of her all over and it was just her ex bf trying to ruin biz for her if he could keep her broke he could keep her home.  
   
 DO YOUR HOMEWORK_ YOU HAVE THE WAHOO_ YOU HAVE THE POWER!  
   
 Another thing to do is have a hacker friend do a lil check on each asshole who posts crap on these bad boy boards- wait a few months etc and get your own revenge- they are screwing with your income and lively hood because they can't afford your rates- period! again check your local laws baby girl!  
   
 We don't take down the local grocery store because we can afford filet mignon right! Girl keep asking for your rates- stay strong and live on ramen for a few more days- reach out to your fellow providers- we'd rather help each other than see another gal lowering herself more thanks kosher- it hurts us all in the long run. If they get a legit review up of you doing something cheap you are screwed- it'll take forever to get your rates back to normal- if its a LEGIT review at least- so just remember- that 100 call might cost you thousands a month in the long run- stay strong stick to your guns baby! I have- and they may not like it but I won't play their game even after 10 years- I like what I do but I know the good guys understand operating costs and this IS a business despite what the uneducated and heartless weiners want you to think!

Have you looked at who else is advertising in the same places, to see if your ads stand out?  Or perhaps others are offering fuller service for money that comes close to what you are asking for?

Also check review boards and see if someone has left a bad review somewhere?

Something else to consider is to charge a little more still, but add one step beyond where you have gone before - FBSM + DATY (only).  I've wondered before why I find no-one offering that combo in the FBSM world, I guess it must cross a boundary most FBSM providers do not like to cross but it would be really appealing to a lot of guys I think.

In any case I hope business picks up again for you.  Good luck!

Bahamia756 reads

Girls in my area keep copying my ads. It's ridiculous, because I work so hard to be different, and soon as I post an ad on backpage that sounds good, these bitches come and copy me. They start using my words, my rates, and my style of writing. It's ridiculous how many pop up in a day. I think there's more than this city can handle. 1 regular asked me, "what's going on, there were like 5 new Black girls pop up in 1 day". I didn't have an answer for him.  

In the past, I had confronted someone about copying my style. They quickly fell off the radar. Now, another bitch is trying to copy my rates and services. It makes it very difficult for clients to decipher between who's a beautiful butterfly, and who's just a mimicking moth! LOL.

My advice would be to hike your prices up about 300% from what you're now making yourself available for, hang up or don't. Respond to anyone who wants to haggle, and only book with those who want what you have to offer.

I have many years in this business and the only solution I have found to curtail this to set prices where you want and not negotiate them. If you are running short on cash then I suggest you find some other sources of cash so that you are not having issues with paying your bills etc.  

At the end of the day when you start feeling bad about what you charged or received for a booking its a matter of time before you start getting mean spirited over the whole business.  

My rates are considered high in this market however, I feel good about my appointments, have fun etc. When a client low balls me on the phone to book an appointment, I just hang up. I am insulted at that point and anyone who insults me right off the bat is someone I don't want to see.  

Once you negotiate your rate its a downhill battle from there. typically when a guy calls and does that he has a habit of doing it. he then knows that once the girl gives in on the price he can keep slowly reducing the number because, you have let him know he can get away with it and that you need the money.  

As a rule in my adult business I never negotiate, because the guy has told me he has no respect for my time as soon as he calls me offering a lower price. he also doesn't see value in me. If that is the case its my responsibility to myself to put value on myself and my time.  

In closing, get other income options so your not in that situation and two charge only what your comfortable with and if they don't want to pay then let them move on. Only a small ratio of clients are going to be true regulars so either way they will move along when they get ready, why get less and then they go pay the full price somewhere else. In addition, most guys don't care how you feel after they have gotten a deal off you. You owe it to yourself to be happy about yourself and I feel you are hurting yourself everytime you allow anyone to give you less then what your feel comfortable receiving. My 2 cents

Evidently your marketing is off.
And if your not putting yourself on TER or every other site your limiting yourself.

Good luck

Elle Vegas

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I fully realize that both of those seem like unrealistic and unhelpful right this moment but I strongly feel that no woman should rely solely upon sex work to pay her bills. It's a fickle business and provides no healthcare, no contributions to social security, no retirement, no professional experience that can be written on a resume, etc. I know providers will chime in and say otherwise but the vast majority of women who are in sexwork are absolutely not thinking about their financial future. That is truly frightening.  As far as a savings account goes, I put $50 of every single appointment in my savings account. When I budget my costs vs. appointments for the week, I do not even consider that $50. It took me a long time to get used to the idea of not touching that savings account under any circumstance, but it's really paid off. Now when my phone does not ring, I worry not. I know my bills are paid and that my phone will ring again tomorrow or next week.  

My other advice is absolutely do not, under any circumstance, lower your rates. I have done that in the distant past and I regretted it every time. It brought out bargain hunters who were crass, disrespectful and expected 14 blowjobs and chocolate cake all within the span of a half hour. Those men were the very worst clients I've ever had. It also cheapened my brand. I market myself to a very, very specific demographic and that works for me. I do not want clients outside of that demographic.  When you lower your rates, men can sense the desperation and they will pounce on you. Humans sense weakness and they'll attack. This business is really no different.  

Mainly, I want you and other women to have an exit plan. I have an acquaintance through this business who is pushing fifty. She has relied on sexwork for the last 10 years as her sole source of income. Her business started tanking last year as her rates were really just too high for what she was providing. She was lucky to have succeeded as long as she did. She's not very attractive to begin with and put on some weight. She lowered her rates. Then she lowered them again. And again. She was almost giving away her service for free. And you know what? She didn't have more clients when her rates were lower. She simply had lower quality clients. Fast forward to a few months ago when she had some health problems that took her out of the business completely. She was evicted from her apartment. She's now on public aid. She has no employment prospects since she has a 10 year gap in her resume. She's basically destitute. While I have empathy for her, I also shake my head at the same time. Her lack of forethought is astounding. Do not get yourself in that situation!  

One last thing - I have been in the business for a long time and it's changed for the worse. It's a race to the bottom. It's not you. It's the business in general.

Not all clients are low balling some have a budget and wont see a girl if she is over a certain donation, while others wont see a girl if she is less than a certain  donation.  If you do not have a real job to supply income for your bills you run into this a lot. Other providers are allowing them to wheel and deal so of course they figure they will try.  

I suggest you get a normal job and do this on the side.  Stick to what you feel you are worth and when they try to haggle click.  Thats how I do things.  Im all about 4 quarters over 100 pennies.  Will you get less clients with a higher donation maybe but you will see less guys for more money.  I think you will find the quality of client will be better for you as well.

WTF! You're an entrepreneur in a truly free market enterprise where the prices for services are freely and consensually set  between sellers and consumers, and in which the laws and forces of supply and demand are free from government intervention, regulation, taxation, etc . Get over the little pity party you're hosting, quit whining on a fuck board, do some serious self-evaluation, and devise a strategy to improve the service you offer, as well as your marketing strategy. There's no shortage of johns looking for pleasure. That being said, there's also no shortage of hookers willing to provide the services they seek. It's a tough business, but I assume it beats flipping burgers at the local McDonalds.

Between the Wendy's and Chinet ads... I want to watch sexy girls eating cheese burgers, in a sexy fashion.

 
I'd even pay sixty dollars - and provide the cheese burgers.

Posted By: RespectfullyYours
WTF! You're an entrepreneur in a truly free market enterprise where the prices for services are freely and consensually set  between sellers and consumers, and in which the laws and forces of supply and demand are free from government intervention, regulation, taxation, etc . Get over the little pity party you're hosting, quit whining on a fuck board, do some serious self-evaluation, and devise a strategy to improve the service you offer, as well as your marketing strategy. There's no shortage of johns looking for pleasure. That being said, there's also no shortage of hookers willing to provide the services they seek. It's a tough business, but I assume it beats flipping burgers at the local McDonalds.

Posted By: RespectfullyYours
It's a tough business, but I assume it beats flipping burgers at the local McDonalds.
A bolt of lightening just shot through my brain.  There is an incredibly beautiful young woman working at a local McD and I've wondered if she would ever consider leaving Ronald McDonald to work for a different bunch of clowns: us hobbyists!  But now you've got me wondering if maybe she already is, on the side.

You need to find an agency to work for. Whatever your doing wrong marketing it would benefit you to take yourself out of the equation. If you'r hot and you know it start applying to agencies in cities everywhere and esp cities with a healthy dose of chocolate women and and men. That takes the race card out of the equation since those agencies will welcome you.

Apply with class, don't share unnecessary information…basically don't apply and include a scattered tale of your current plight. Once someone is interested in hiring you and you begin discussing the split inform them you need them to cover costs to get you there and set you up, which you will work off during the trip.

You need to just f@&%. No emailing, no advertising, no negotiating prices. Just sit in a room looking like chocolate cake and rock worlds till your bank account high fives you

Bahamia660 reads

Hello everyone, I have to say in the past 2 days, things have picked up (I guess maybe now that we're in August). I've already had 2 clients at about 400 all together.

I think part of the issue also was, I was letting this man (boy) living with me temporarily in my 1 bedroom apartment. He's been living with me for like 3 months. We were not 'together' in that way, I was just doing him a favor. He was paying me half for rent though. Something that I could easily get in 1 client, so he was more a hindrance than a help. I really think he was affecting my work. I don't do too well with men living around me, unless we're together or it's TEMPORARY LOL. After he moved out, I was able to clear my head, adjust my marketing, and also not have to worry about when he'd be coming home.  

Now that he's gone and I've been able to up my marketing, hopefully these extremely slow days will fall to the wayside.

Very good, but girl to girl come up with your backup plan as soon as you can.  If you need help with a resume or references, no joke I will be happy to help you.  So long as you dont do drugs.  Keep your head high and be fierce.

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