If she feels comfortable, relaxed, turned on enough to cum... then I will certainly enjoy it thoroughly. But it is difficult to say I "made" her cum or to take credit for her own orgasm. At best, I facilitate. If it doesn't happen, I don't take it personally and it doesn't necessarily detract from my own enjoyment.
Similarly, I tend to take responsibility for my own "O"... sometimes, that 2nd or 3rd attempt is a "fail". Still feels good, but nothing to hide if I don't quite get there.that you could?
some reasons that I believe are in play -
he's hopeless at whatever he's doing or it's just downright uncomfortable but he does not seem to want to stop or be steered elsewhere....
she's trying to limit how much action she has to take in a given appointment either because she's a bit "overworked" or because she's pacing herself for a busy day
it's near the end of the appointment and she wants to move on to finishing him without making him feel like he "failed" somehow
she realizes that being responsive / orgasmic looks good in the reviews and would be a draw to other clients especially those who probably would not know the difference between a real orgasm and a well faked (or maybe not that well faked) one
others?
Gentlemen - ever wish *you* could fake an 0? Or have you ever done so (you could always claim a "dry" orgasm....
and for the more professional mongers among us -
do you really care is she orgasms or not, or whether she fakes it or not?
Sometimes that second O just isn't in the cards, but I see the gal trying with all her might. So, I fake it and let her know it was great.
It's a little white lie, and we both feel better later.
Most times though if I am having problems I just say let's let it go at that, and she's usually is OK with that too.
I have less troubles now because if it is a two hour session, I plan on only one shot, and if it is a long session, then I'll be good after 3-4 hours for another round.
sometimes I've planned a date but both my administrative assistant and my girlfriend seem to get a vibe or something because they both milk me dry the day before.... I want to keep the date so I show up but know its' going to be tough... I'm more about the experience really then whether I orgasm so that's okay with me but may providers are so invested in being able to produce the result.... worst case situation I'll DIY til I'm close - maybe kissing with her laying beside me - to prime the pump as it were and then let her know when it's time to "finish" me.....
but I have honestly faked a couple along the way... just said that I sometimes had dry orgasms - as a lot of older gents do especially if they've had prostate issues....
I mean, I can't imagine not caring about pleasing a partner in sex. If she doesn't get off--try asking her sometime. It's more likely a woman will fake than lie--it really makes no difference after the date is over with.
But whatever a person does, he wants to do it well. That's true whether he's a novice or a pro. If you set out on a task with a resolve that you are NOT going to do it well, then you are in fact doing something else. Torpedoes for example.
and maybe in a certain way - "competitive" - I am usually not this way but occasionally.... I agree with Taylor said farther down the thread though - being too goal oriented is actually counter productive - it's enjoying and paying attention to the journey that usually gets us "there" anyway....
I can't see how that's competitive, unless the tone of the play becomes, "Bet I can get you off before you get me off," of something like that.
Some women really take it personally if they can't make a man cum, so if I know it's just not going to happen, especially if it is my third time for the day, or if I've been drinking a lot, OR in many cases it's both my third go for the day AND I have been drinking like a fish. I often just pretend I have cum, rip off the condom myself and head to the bathroom to dispose of the evidence.
As for caring whether my paid companion cums, it's really not that big a deal to me. i don't take it as some kind of personal challenge to make a paid provider cum, as there are many factors that play into it. Too many to go into here, but how many guys she has already seen that day is certainly a factor.
It really only matters to me on an unpaid date, and I don't put a lot of thought into it, not to mention I only really believe she came if there is physical evidence left behind, like a giant wet spot. and I am not Turdy, I can tell the difference between female ejaculate and pee. lol
as the day wears on, so does the coochie :p a woman may be multi orgasmic but a day of fucking has to take its toll now and then.... I have found that it does make a substantial difference to make before noon appointments - and it is nice to give pleasure - but since I am paying for the day, it is not as though I am going to take a big chunk of the compensated time to make it happen - I guess that's why most of the Os I experience with providers are while fucking.... my administrative assistant and my girlfriend get most of the good tongue :p
and obviously non P4P gets more effort out of me than a one hour paid session with a high volume girl. We both know a guy could spend the entire session trying to get a lady off who is just plain out of "juice" I know I am often "out of juice" myself if I've already seen two or three other girls that day and no matter what the last lady of the day does, it's just not going to happen.
I will say that It doesn't mean I don't enjoy the session where I don't come, but I try to average at least a session a day, and it's a rare day where I can't cum the first time. it's those second, third and fourth times that can be a bitch at my "advanced age" lol
If she feels comfortable, relaxed, turned on enough to cum... then I will certainly enjoy it thoroughly. But it is difficult to say I "made" her cum or to take credit for her own orgasm. At best, I facilitate. If it doesn't happen, I don't take it personally and it doesn't necessarily detract from my own enjoyment.
Similarly, I tend to take responsibility for my own "O"... sometimes, that 2nd or 3rd attempt is a "fail". Still feels good, but nothing to hide if I don't quite get there.
we try to pleasure one another but "making" someone come is a bad way to look at it and actually counterproductive..... If I'm licking her anyway (for my own pleasure since it is a paid encounter) or fucking her (likewise) I do notice if she is responding to something and follow where it leads.... but I don't try to "make" someone else come --- and I have found that sometimes when a provider slips into a mode of trying to "make" me come I lose interest....
As my regular taught me, everyone is responsible for their own orgasm. This was after I was having trouble finishing. She said that the big head was getting in the way of the little head and that she and I had to each be responsible for our own orgasm and that I was too concerned with getting her off. As with most things sexual, she is wiser than I.
Although I am kinkier.
fake an O. Why, however, is beyond me. Just enjoy yourself is what I say, who cares if there's always an 'end' result. More times than none the 'focus' of the 'end' is ruined anyhow because he's about to bust a blood vessel in his forehead concentrating so hard about it LOL.
Mind over matter Gentlemen.
As far as 'moi' faking an O ..........hahahahaha I am in my prime is all I 'will' say. Just a matter of finding the 'sweet' spot. Some men do and some men don't. If they don't, no biggie to me and that's not what this is about. But for us 'older' gals who understand the tune of our own bodies, with one flip of a switch and three free minutes, who knows what can happen 'afterwards'.
I love a responsive woman and would always prefer she have a real O. As for me, I've faked orgasms with a civvy SO and don't think she knew. I really wasn't into her that much and had trouble coming. She would get so wet and sloppy that there was so much liquid down there I figured it would be impossible for her to tell. If she wasn't fooled she never let on.
What they want and how. As long as I eventually get my O, I'm usually more than happy to oblige a lady any reasonable request or follow her direction on how to get her off. Every woman is different and I'm not a mind-reader. Talk to me. In vivid detail, preferably. If she's not going to get off, it's not going to break my heart. Sometimes it just doesn't happen.
I am a bit older and round two for me is often a bit of a struggle to finish, especially if Vitamin V is onboard. If no Vitamin V, a second round doesn't usually even get started. I've never tried to fake an O, not sure if I would ever want to.
Off the subject a little bit -
I saw a lady today who I'm good friends with and we sat around for an hour between rounds talking about orgasms. (We don't have a clock, just a day.) She wished that we could trade places from an orgasm point of view. I had just had a rather spectacular and for me, very vocal, O and she envied the single, big O that guys always get as opposed to the smaller, often multiple orgasms that women get. She's a quiet cummer (her words). I opined that my understanding was that women's g-spot orgasms were probably better than men's Os. She disagreed.
Does anyone know of any studies on who has the "better" orgasms, men or women?
Please leave who is paying for it out of the conversation.
to let the lady down by not fulfilling both of our expectations.
Even with the uniqueness of women, you have most of the responders in this thread at a distinct disadvantage.
My reasons
1. he's hopeless at whatever he's doing or it's just downright uncomfortable but he does not seem to want to stop or be steered elsewhere....
AND
2. it's near the end of the appointment and she wants to move on to finishing him without making him feel like he "failed" somehow
With guys I know well, I just let them know that it's not going to happen. They know more is not better and stop.
I very rarely get there at work anyway and only fake for those reasons.
I have had some serous health issues down there (Think cancer) and it left me with an unreliable dick. Some days I can't get hard, some days I can get hard but can't come, sometimes I cum but it is dry, and sometimes I come but it takes a while. My failure to get there isn't on the lady as I am semi broken and if not 100% it will not happen. Some ladies especially younger ones, don't get guys aren't always able for what ever reason and well get down on themselves after it don't happen.
To prevent this if I an get hard and if it isn't progressing I will get on top and fake it in the condom. Then rush off to take care of the unfilled condom before she sees. I do this with dry "O"s too as some younger ladies haven't even heard of a dry male "O".
Now most providers that been around for a while know about this stuff and I don't feel like I need to fake, just enjoy whatever my body is giving me. Needless to say I tend to see fewer of the young or inexperienced than I used too
does not mean that it can't be enjoyable....