Like the post's header states, It's not your fathers target rich environment ... And I'll qualify that statement;
1. Economy is in the toilet still and disposable is not there any longer.2. Shillers and so called reviewers who use numerous identities here and 3 other boards have diluted the boards with shills so bad that it's like reading a script from the WWE.
3. So called "members in good standing" being the front men for groups of "In Pocket" girls and giving ultimatums to new and visiting providers to join up or else.
4. Providers are deleting Philadelphia as a touring destination because of the plethora of prebookings that mysteriously cancel at the last minute. And I've heard this from several touring girls. We all know this but nobody has the nerve to point the finger at the biggest shillers , And we don't have to drive up xxxxx pike to know who he is. But I am tried that I have to travel to NYC or DC to find a selection that was the norm 5 or 6 years ago. It's getting old and how many providers are going to relocate from the area because of this BS. Just my well informed 2 cents worth....
A lot of providers with 267 area code are visiting the DMV (DC, Maryland, Virginia). They come down on a regular basis. They complain that business is bad in the Philadelphia region. Also lets not forget about all the cutbacks in the chemical and pharmaceutical industries the past few years since the 2008/2009 meltdown. In the IT world many NJ and Philadelphia based IT folks migrated down the DC area to make ends meet. A bunch of them drive back to NJ every weekend to see their families.
I use to hobby in Philly area back in 2003 because I found the selection was much better than DC at the time. The air travel costs to Philly are more than they are to the DC area.
The other factor did you did not bring up is that many of the Philly GFE providers retired.
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/07/28/merck-announces-another-round-of-layoffs/
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I have to agree, Philadelphia is really a hit or miss for me, and 2/3 times it is a miss. I am in no way calling the people themselves cheap, however, I can definitely recognize that I have found a far higher number of 1) hagglers 2) "I can no longer afford your rate." 3) Cancelations ...all signs pointing to the economy. Those who I do see are only able to get together once in a while, and most often I will only come to see someone specific. I don't actually have these issues at all in other cities, so that is why I spend most of my tIme in NY (and DC and Chicago are favorites also)
I agree with your points 1 and 4. I think Philly's economy has been slow to recover, and it obviously has a huge impact on guys' ability to hobby. I also agree that touring girls are taking Philly off their destination list due to a high number of last minute cancellations, but also due to slow demand. I've heard this from several touring providers. This is a shame and bad for everyone.
But on points 2 and 3, I have no idea what you're referring to. Shillers diluting the board? Not in Philly. This board is incredibly slow. The only thing we typically see (at least in the last 18 months or so since I've been active) are ISOs and requests for restaurant recommendations. As far as I'm concerned shillers would be welcome! Anything to liven things up!
On 3, I have no idea what that even means. What's an "in the pocket" girl? Join up or else what? Not one provider, local or touring, has ever mentioned anything about this type of thing to me.
Maybe you can elaborate?
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Don't make wild, unsupported accusation about shillers on the PHL board. I haven't seen it. Yes, the PHL/SJ economy still lags. Blame the tax and spenders for sucking the life out of the economic engine this area used to be. Don't blame the ladies for following the money flow elsewhere. Having said that, I note that the current Miss TER visits here, as do current national top ten providers.
I visit all the time and I love the area. Philly has always treated me really really well. Yes sometimes I will have clients that booked ahead cancel, but that happens everywhere. For the most part I alwyas found PA and NJ a great market.
and I suspect it has nothing to do with "shillers" and "front men(?)".
NYC has a population of 8.4MM, with 41% making over $80K: 984k potential clients?
Chicago has a pop of 2.72MM, with 31% making over $80K: 843k potential clients?
DC pop is 659K (in the district itself), with 41% making over $80K. Huge population and high income density surrounds it. Lots of potential clients?
Philly has a pop of 1.55MM, with 22% making over $80K: 341k potential clients?
No, I didn't look at cost of living and suburb data... it seems obvious that areas with higher population densities and higher income densities represent greater opportunities for providers.
Looking on P411, I see 123 providers in Philly with 49 visiting providers. Date-Check has 232 providers (yes, I know some are inactive profiles) and 53 visiting providers in Philly. 210 new reviews for Philly since 1/1/15 with 58 reviews of gals who appear to be new and trying to break in (1 or 2 reviews). 86 ads on Philly BP today by 10 am (not sure how many for South Jersey). There are one hell of a lot of options out there!!! Not to mention, a lot of those NYC and Baltimore/DC providers would love to visit Philly for the right opportunity.
I'm very, very glad that we have so many wonderful providers in the Philly/SJ area, and so many that still visit, with more new gals trying to rise up. I can't understand why you can't find a single ONE that flips your switch
I have been told by visiting providers of not getting enough prebookings to warrant them coming to Philly. Only speaking for myself, I have a very difficult time prebooking too far in advance (except twice a year) because of work and my personal life. But that may also be the norm for most clients?
Zen's stats I think show there is still a pretty good selection of local and visiting ladies.
Times yes have changed and the resources and availability for new girls is very miniscule , Miami Companions and alike are gone and the choices we had in the past ie; the small local agencies ( Philly companions, Lefemmes, and others ) are long gone. And yes I feel your pain as well as my own.
But keep in mind that due to the economy there are girls posting that would not even get a second look in the past, frankford, Roosevelt blvd girls, and a large number of girls from the inner city.
The Mandie gfe's , coed chrissy's and others are gone so we'll have to slug our way through the cesspool of phony pics, fake reviews and bait and switch's that are the " New Normal"...lol
If everyone agrees that the Philly economy is not robust, and incomes are down, then why are provider rates increasing at a rate that is higher than inflation?
Stated differently, if you know that a community is not flush with cash, why would you expect to get the same rates that prevail in more affluent locations? Where is the logic in that?
My income has bee plateaued over the last few years, and more and more I have to bypass attractive options because the tariff is just too high. And I suspect that some of the cancelled bookings come from guys who, having booked earlier in a fit of lust, realize that they don't want to spend that many $$ when the time for the appointment arrives.
Still, experience suggests that there are enough hobbyists with funds to fill the dance cards of many of the visiting ladies.
And, to the OP, who are the shills who are driving off the ladies? I have not heard of that, so I guess i may be klewless instead of klewedin.
While yes, Philadelphia's economy isn't quite as high as nearby cities like New York and D.C., things aren't as bad as you'd think. Personally, I've been here for less than a year and am already doing well enough to become more selective about who I see. Trust me: As someone who identifies as "awesomesexual," I make it my goal to see awesome people only... And they aren't in short supply here in Philly!
As for cancelations and "shills," there are a few, but I agree with what others have already pointed out. This board is fairly dead. Most of what show up are ISOs, last minute booking attempts, and folks trying to verify BP girls. Besides, the bad eggs are pretty easy to weed out based on posts, inconsiderate emails, a slew of bad reviews, or whatever else have you. Everybody else has been fantastic-- providers and hobbyists alike. I *promise* that no one on the boards bullied sweet, little newbie me when I moved up here.
Anyways, as last night's M&G showed, there are plenty of gorgeous providers in Philly with time and energy to spare for new clients. If you don't like what your selection is around these parts, though, by all means feel free to travel or pay extra travel fees to a lady willing to do the travelling for you. After all, if you show that there is a demand for new providers, they're probably going to come.
...price has a lot to do with it. Anything over 350 per hour, and the majority of men are not interested/budget does not allow it. I worked in Philadelphia as my home base for 3 years with a lower rate, and my clientele has changed drastically through price alone.
Show me the money. They are gonna follow the money. I remember about 6,7 yrs ago there were anywhere between 100-130 ads on another ad site. This morning, only 68. We are lucky if we hit 80. There are 31 visiting providers which leaves 37 local ladies. I've seen girls completly remove Philly from their schedule. There are ladies who visit Philly regularly. I contacted one lady who was in NYC and going to DC next and she said she will only visit Philly if someone requests her for 6 hours with 50% deposit. Her reason, too many NCNS and cancellations. I've canceled 2x in 10 yrs and both times I've seen the ladies over 5x each and they knew I was dead sick. I scheduled on their next trips. I heard one girl had 5 cancellations / NCNS on Monday and Tuesday and she left on Wednesday and said she will never ever comeback. Can you blame her? Plus, Philly isn't really a travel destination. Unlike NYC. One girl said we are so close to NYC, to come visit her. I hate going to NYC. The biggest reasons are NCNS / cancellations and the economy. We will recover.
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I am curious about the girl who left because of he NCNS: what was her tariff? I wonder if there is any correlation between price and cancellation rates.
Her rate was $300 which is pretty normal.
I believe that there is an abundance of nice ladies in the Philly/SNJ area, they come on the scene and quickly develop a clientele. Having other pursuits, they don't rely entirely on this profession, but it gives then a nice solid financial base. Not strictly UTR, but you will generally not find them on the ad boards.
I see 4-5 of these ladies, and I met them when they were still advertising. Developing my "portfolio" was a strategic decision on my part. When I see their names mentioned in those threads like "Who do you miss" or "where are they now", I generally don't point out that they are not actually retired.
My needs are basically met, and then some. On occasion, I will look at the ad boards, or I'll schedule with a new hottie that Sloan brings to town. Generally, getting screened, going to a new location and basically TOFFTing (with research) is more work than its worth to me anymore.
So my alternate theory is that I am hardly unique, that there is a large local community doing what I do, and this contributes to the down market for ladies that have to advertise.
Probably worth its own thread is the question why some of the local ladies advertise every single day on the other boards.
I am aware Philadelphia is not a favorite destination for many reputable touring providers. As mentioned, you can easily see the selection of local and touring ladies listed on top sites such as P411.... Philly only has a fraction of advertising providers in comparison to other cities. One of my favorite doubles partners has crossed off Philadelphia from her tour schedule, sadly..... But still stops in Cherry Hill.
I think every city has its issues, and still recovering from the economic crisis felt nationwide. Cancellations happen in every city......
As for your #3 comment...... I am completely oblivious to these things going on. Perhaps there are some bad people that can identify vulnerable escorts, and that's a shame.
Although I do not see myself calling Philadelphia home forever, I have seen many positive changes in the city since moving here..... Regentrification while sadly has potential to increase the severe inequality, shows growth. A large portion of Philadelphia's neighborhoods are due for an overhaul.
From PEW's State of the City 2014 (Philadelphia): “Last year, developers received building permits for 2,815 units of new residential housing, the most approved in a decade. Those units are worth an estimated $465 million, the highest annual amount on record”
Maybe this real estate business has no correlation to "hoe business"....... lol, but I am surprised so many ladies have stopped visiting Philly.
I decided to invest in a center city incall in November, and I was kicking myself for not doing it sooner.
Philadelphia is the red-headed stepchild of NYC, but I love it because it isn't nearly as crowded and has everything a city needs
I think the issue with Philadelphia is many providers do not like coming into Center City. They want to be outside where there is free parking. Center City is where most of those who are coming on business go. This often leads to problems in coordinating the right time and place.
Philadelphia is fun but the Center City parking issue creates a limitation of sorts of some of the providers.
The economy did take a dump and I am not sure if we have yet seen a recovery in the hobbying community.
Many of the top agencies that used to constantly provide us with great reviewed touring ladies are gone. ( and have not been replaced)
I am sure all of the talk of LE actions in KOP hasnt helped.
I personally dont review as often as I used to. The biggest reason is selection.
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I'm not privy to that term
Explain more and if there are extortion tactics known. EXPOSE THEM. it makes us all suffer.
I do not agree that top touring providers don't visit Philadelphia. One look at my review list will tell you differently. I will agree that not every lady will hit Philly as a matter of planning, but I've reached out to many who wouldn't have planned on it and many have reconsidered.
Do I wish there were more, yes of course. But, at least to your point #4, I don't agree. To points 2 and 3, I have no idea what you're talking about.
But, thanks for spurring on at least some interesting and engaged discussion.
Was it that long ago, that the three of us were having late night martinis in NE Philadelphia....I need a reunion...ASAP
Turnpike Mike
xoxoxo
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But honestly....all of the above are factors but there is one thing everyone is leaving out....
The Seeking Arrangement Factor
A couple years ago I saw two providers a week sometimes more...now....I see a lot of college girls from Seeking Arrangement.com
A LOT!!!!
This is the same ole bs that has been making the boards for years. Go back 10 years when the economy was good you could see the same complaints. But somehow, the same good providers keep coming back to Philly over and over again. why? Guess they like the cancellations?