I'm not blaming the victim. I'm inquiring into how she became a victim in the first place. Perhaps some one else could learn from the victim. "if" the victim could have avoided being in that situation to start with.
That's not blaming the victim. That is learning from the victims prior behavior. People can make mistakes with unintended consequences, due to their decisions. I don't know how these girls got involved in the business? I believe knowing their situation could prevent other women from becoming victims. Shouldn't that be everyone's goal? That is being proactive. Nick, you GaGambler, CPA, and Tobi, went off the deep end with your rapist/pimp sympathizer comments.... if the girls in this case were with a provider friendly agency, or were they independent who screened the probability of being raped, would have severely diminished. I can't believe any provider will disagree with that.
So here's the bottom line. Both you and Hound post some loopy shit. Some I agree with and some I don't. But you've both asked, independently, if either of you should de-list yourselves and go away. I don't really have a vote here and don't want one.
But, if I did, guess who I'd vote "off the island."
I will send a request to admin, to remove my account, on my terms.
Does how she became a victim have any bearing on how she can prevent herself from becoming a victim ever again
Your post or Turdy's reply. For crying out Turdy, get spell check. Please.
If you didn't get the gist last night.. You never will.
Please stop it..
I'm asking you respectfully.
I think that's what Big Fern is feeling right now. Very intense, this GD board.
I feel as if I have been unfairly slandered.
I don't take this board as the epitome of seriousness. Although when someone posts a serious issue, and mature people attempt to address the issue in a serious manner. There is a hand full of immature people who want to blame me, and make me like look like an ass hole. For asking questions, of all the potential parties involved.
Hound you started the stupid thread yesterday against your better judgment. Today people(who I will admit have no significance to me personally) are still talking about me, as if this was something I condone, participated in, or brought to the board.
From here on out, I do not want my handle associated with this unacceptable behavior. I believe most people here are between the ages of thirty to sixty years old. I don't see the people slandering me acting like they are.
Respectfully, this is the last I have to say about your thread from yesterday
That in it self, doesn't mean I shouldn't defend myself. The immature folks get upset when people do that.
You had the unmitigated gall to write that the pimp had a right to insist the girls he'd brought to Hound's party continue to be raped because he had a "contract." By asserting that, you stood on its head not only logic but common sense and simple humanity.
Now you are claiming to be the injured party. It just won't wash. And you're blaming Hound for putting up the OP as if he made you do it.
You now force me to put up my response to the post that was pulled. Maybe they'll pull it again but I hope not before you read it.
Moses on Meth, vern! This may be your most unbelievable post ever.
Posted 3/6/2014 at 4:41:53 PM
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Don't blame the pimp? You act like he's just some independent contractor like a plumber. Girls who are pimped out are usually coerced. Beyond that, HoC says he was aware one of the girls complained and the pimp beat her up. How is that even remotely consensual?
Fuck! Sometimes I don't get how your alleged mind works. Or, in this case, doesn't.
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... if a girl is born into sex slavery vs acquainting herself with that pimp beyond the age of eighteen. Those circumstances can be somewhat different. Yes? or No?
Rape is Rape, I agree. Didn't see the need to really mention something I agree with. I'm past the Majority Assumption, at that point. On to the next element, who did these females(don't know of they are girls or women?) Doesn't matter(Rape is bad) again don't feel the need to mention the MA. I really can't put my self in the providers shoe's(She's a female, can't relate so well) On to the next element I put myself in the pimp's shoes(we visited that yesterday) On to the next element, I can't really put myself in the rapists shoes either.
... so out of the three people whom I am not. The Provider, The Rapist, The Pimp. I understand the pimps position the best. Don't agree with his methods, I just comprehend why he is there. I would have to ask the other parties involved why they were there. IE the providers, and party goers.
The thread from yesterday reminded me off the original sandy hook thread. I was the bad guy for asking, what could? be relevant questions. Asking questions just asking questions, is what people lost their minds about.
instead of the person who's exploiting her. I think you see the world through a warped lens.
So here's the bottom line. Both you and Hound post some loopy shit. Some I agree with and some I don't. But you've both asked, independently, if either of you should de-list yourselves and go away. I don't really have a vote here and don't want one.
But, if I did, guess who I'd vote "off the island."
I'm not blaming the victim. I'm inquiring into how she became a victim in the first place. Perhaps some one else could learn from the victim. "if" the victim could have avoided being in that situation to start with.
That's not blaming the victim. That is learning from the victims prior behavior. People can make mistakes with unintended consequences, due to their decisions. I don't know how these girls got involved in the business? I believe knowing their situation could prevent other women from becoming victims. Shouldn't that be everyone's goal? That is being proactive.
Nick, you GaGambler, CPA, and Tobi, went off the deep end with your rapist/pimp sympathizer comments.
... if the girls in this case were with a provider friendly agency, or were they independent who screened the probability of being raped, would have severely diminished. I can't believe any provider will disagree with that.
So here's the bottom line. Both you and Hound post some loopy shit. Some I agree with and some I don't. But you've both asked, independently, if either of you should de-list yourselves and go away. I don't really have a vote here and don't want one.
But, if I did, guess who I'd vote "off the island."
I will send a request to admin, to remove my account, on my terms.
I don't see why you choose to make 25 different posts just trying to explain away the original enigmatic post
when you could have made one single clear well-thoughtout confusion-free post.
Reminds me of someone.
Girl needs money, this makes her vulnerable and she decides she can offer sex, she meets guy, he says she can get some money for her work, he "helps" her but at a high cost.
That is the definition of exploitation "the action or fact of treating someone unfairly in order to benefit from their work".
Can you avoid exploitation scenarios? It depends,
a) If you haven't gotten into the exploiting situation then you can avoid it and accept your current situation, i.e. you needed money, came in contact with a pimp, thought about it and decided you will stick to your situation.
b) If you got into it, you may be able to try it and change your mind, and then either look for other resources who will exploit your work less or go back to your original situation. (By the way, I came in contact with a brothel/agency and got myself in an exploitation situation. I recognized it, and looked at other venues - i.e. being independent, which meant learning how to do everything about this activity on my own. Not everyone can do that, and they shouldn't be blamed for not being able to do so).
c) If you got into it, you may not be able to change your mind afterwards, due to threats or physical violence. That's the case with pimps.
How do you prevent other women from becoming victims? You decriminalize this activity so that they are not the ones who will get into trouble for turning in someone who is exploitative and physically abusive. Decriminalizing their work and criminalizing their exploitation.
blaming the victim is like blaming the thirsty zebra for going to the watering hole, knowing that lions hang out there, but what's a thirsty zebra to do? Either die of thirst or take her chances at the watering hole. The same can be said for many girls/women that end up being pimped out, they are usually in a position where in their minds at least, they have no choice
Your last point is perhaps your best, society shoulders much of the blame by forcing prostitutes, young and old alike, to go "underground" where predators like pimps can flourish.
As for Vern, don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out, you won't be missed.
you've got me on the same side as Roddy Tardwell and JackassDumphuk.
And that is unforgivable.
but hope to "pop your cherry" tonight. I seriously do hope all goes well for you and you have a great, and above all, a safe time.
But seriously, don't you think it's a little premature for someone who's never even been with a hooker to come here and start giving advice to people? It makes your whole spiel about how hookers come from painful pasts -- when you've never even been with one -- seem pretty ludicrous. Other than that, at least you express yourself better than our other Noob bigmouth, Tardwell. So perhaps there's hope for you. Please don't let yourself be categorized like him again.
Oh, and again, have fun!
Things aren't always what they seem. And all I was ever aiming for was to be one step ahead of Turdwell. And I think I'll grow on you Nick (again 
. Like a cancerous polyp. lol.
And you were simply having fun putting up a bogus post on the Newbie Board? Swim will be so pleased.
You have a lot to learn before you graduate to becoming a cancerous polyp
You choose which.
Or... ___________ you fill it in. I don't want to be the one to say it.
His own words make him look like an ass hole.
He only cares about his own opinion (which is wrong much of the time).
He has no respect for others, in spite of his use of the word "respectfully".
Dredging this crap up from yesterday has no value to this board, it's just sick!
I don't take this board as the epitome of seriousness. Although when someone posts a serious issue, and mature people attempt to address the issue in a serious manner. There is a hand full of immature people who want to blame me, and make me like look like an ass hole. For asking questions, of all the potential parties involved.
Hound you started the stupid thread yesterday against your better judgment. Today people(who I will admit have no significance to me personally) are still talking about me, as if this was something I condone, participated in, or brought to the board.
From here on out, I do not want my handle associated with this unacceptable behavior. I believe most people here are between the ages of thirty to sixty years old. I don't see the people slandering me acting like they are.
Respectfully, this is the last I have to say about your thread from yesterday.
When one treads on a sensitive touchy subject, I make it my priority to clarify exactly what I'm trying to say without a chance of it being misunderstood.
Yes, you observed correctly. Vern just blurts things out without regard to how others may feel. He does not clarify anything until the damage has already been done. It was evident when he made that "your mom's a whore" post. No clarification until hours later.
And then now he wonders why people think he's insensitive.
It reminds me of that scene from back to the future when biff was knocking on Mcfly's head:
"Hello? Anybody Home??? Think McFly"
Not siding with biff here cuz biff wasn't my favorite character, but you get the point.
By insinuating that the women involved were in some way responsible for what happened to them, you're not only condoning it, you're implying that they deserved it! I for one am glad that you posted that repugnant shit under your real handle. Now everyone knows what a rapist-sympathizing maggot you are.
And as far as being "immature" goes, I'm under 30 and I still know that victim blaming is something only morally empty people do to justify their own actions.
Oh, and since you cited the dictionary earlier today (incorrectly, I might add), you'll appreciate this little tidbit: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=slander
I don't take this board as the epitome of seriousness. Although when someone posts a serious issue, and mature people attempt to address the issue in a serious manner. There is a hand full of immature people who want to blame me, and make me like look like an ass hole. For asking questions, of all the potential parties involved.
Hound you started the stupid thread yesterday against your better judgment. Today people(who I will admit have no significance to me personally) are still talking about me, as if this was something I condone, participated in, or brought to the board.
From here on out, I do not want my handle associated with this unacceptable behavior. I believe most people here are between the ages of thirty to sixty years old. I don't see the people slandering me acting like they are.
Respectfully, this is the last I have to say about your thread from yesterday.
... if this is you advertising your dominate ways? job well done.
I don't want to play.
Guess I really touched a nerve, huh?
Nice handle change, btw.
I see how you feel you were mis understood..
The fact is.. You aren't reading, or paying attention to these people..
They fucking made me cry..
I never realized the severity of my inactions untill they called me a accomplice to rape...
Belive me.. I wanted to close my eyes.. When I read what they said about me.
I couldn't.
They are pretty good Vern..
Listen to them...
Feel free to continue responding in a ridiculous fashion.
When Mom teaches their sons when children , to respect women more than anyone , those Sons will likely not abuse women , verbally or physically .
In other words , subcontract any spankings Mom finds necessary , to the Father or Male father figure .
In other words , a properly trained child nourished with Motherly love , will likely not become a man capable of abusing a woman under any circumstances , no matter if she's wearing nothing in a dark alley .
In other words , if Son spends his childhood barking with his Mom like two mad dogs , that son will likely grow up to become an abuser of women .
Occasionally the chain is broken , not likely or usually .
Like it's owner, it is both lame and incomprehensible. Not to mention the sheer stupidity of changing handles half way through a thread so everyone knows exactly who you are.
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