Little off topic but what made me die laughing this morning is Joe Scarborough said MAC has to have Rush and James Dobson to win .
Rush may have some influence but I think Joe is dumb saying you have to have Dobson's support in order to be President .
I guess some might look upon Goldwater with a bit of a jaundiced eye, but the core of the conservative movement does not. We (conservatives) recognize that it was he (Goldwater) who lit the torch that was later carried by the likes of Reagan and Gingrich (and even Limbaugh). Some of his words seem to carry a taint today, but mainly because they are taken out of context. . . 40 years out of context. But his ideas are as true today as ever (OK he said some squirrelly things too). It’s the GOP that has changed, not Conservatism. Methods and polices have changed but not the core philosophy. With the 2006 elections, people here and elsewhere announced the demise of conservatism and the GOP, but mostly conservatism. I said then that they were wrong and I still believe so. I’m not sure when the GOP started to go awry. It wasn’t 9/11 or Iraq. It was the corruption of the power of the federal government. Many in today’s GOP don’t look or sound like Goldwater (or Reagan)? Yea. How many liberals in the federal government remind you of FDR or JFK? Who in today’s so called civil rights crowd even vaguely resembles MLK? Conservatives today still revere Goldwater not so unlike liberal heroes. Come to think of it, how would Jesses Jackson and the Reverend Al treat someone like MLK today? Where would JFK stand with Pelosi and Reid?
We (conservatives) recognize that it was he (Goldwater) who lit the torch that was later carried by the likes of Reagan and Gingrich (and even Limbaugh).
Its not so much the torch being passed from Goldwater to Reagan. That connection is well acknowledged. I find the comparison between Goldwater and Gingrich however, to be odious, and to even mention Limbaugh in the same sentence is laughable, with all due respect. Limbaugh is a self-aggrandized entertainer who was once a LIBERAL talk show host. The fact he is representative of almost 20 million American citizens is stunning to me in its implications.
IMHO, I think he is the quintessential hypocrite, and a phony baloney pompous ass.
It’s the GOP that has changed, not Conservatism.
I happen to agree with you on that. A philosophy does not change, but the manner in which it is presented and/or implemented definitely changes.
Not always for the better. Again, IMHO, I think the Conservative movement has been tainted by its close association with the Evangelicals, who I think are all Demon Spawn of Satan's younger cousin Xenu.
I’m not sure when the GOP started to go awry. It wasn’t 9/11 or Iraq. It was the corruption of the power of the federal government.
I believe you are correct, but incomplete. The corruption brought on by Power in combination of the election strategy methodologies of Lee Atwater and his protege, the young Karl Rove changed the political environment into the mass muck of maliciousness it has become today, especially the campaign process.
Many in today’s GOP don’t look or sound like Goldwater (or Reagan)? Yea. How many liberals in the federal government remind you of FDR or JFK?
There is one man in government who I have great respect for. Henry Waxman. But I would not classify him as a liberal in the mold of JFK or FDR.
There is a lack of class as well as leadership at the Federal level
Who in today’s so called civil rights crowd even vaguely resembles MLK? I dunno. Shaq maybe? Snoop Dogg? P. Diddy?
Come to think of it, how would Jesses Jackson and the Reverend Al treat someone like MLK today?
That would depend on how much MLK tried to hog the spotlight. How are they treating Barak Hussein Obama?
Where would JFK stand with Pelosi and Reid?
He'd stand to their right.
Conservative?
Goldwater - definitely?
Reagan - yes?
Gingrich - no?
Limbaugh - laughable?
As images get closer, sometimes they are HARDER to recognize.
I am curious though. When and where was Limbaugh a liberal show host. I vaugely remember having this same conversation with Zin.
Politics has always been a "mass muck of maliciousness", for over two hundred years. Noticing what you perceive as the latest uptick is minor compared to the arrogance that career politicians exude.
Snoop Dogg? Come to think of it, MLK wasn't much on women's rights either. Maybe he WOULD have fit well into the hip hop scene.
Little off topic but what made me die laughing this morning is Joe Scarborough said MAC has to have Rush and James Dobson to win .
Rush may have some influence but I think Joe is dumb saying you have to have Dobson's support in order to be President .
Using the name "Jeff Christie", Rush Limbaugh started in radio as a late night disc spinner and liberal talk show host at radio station WIXZ 1360. In 1972 he moved over to liberal Top 40 radio station KQV Radio 14 in Pittsburg, moving around for years until he got his job with the Kansas City Royals baseball team.
It wasn't until 1984, when Limbaugh was hired to replace Morton Downey Jr in Sacramento that he began his second career as the the Bastion of Bloviation.
Enter Rupert Murdoch and his quest to repeal Equal Time and the Fairness Doctrine in 1987. This allowed Limbaugh to broadcast editorial commentary without having to present an opposing viewpoint.
He is now, and has always been, no more than an entertainer. A hypocrite admired by his dittoheads.
I am often amused at the ignorance with which some folks both here and elsewhere insist on quoting Limbaugh, then in the same paragraph disparage liberal entertainers like Streisand or Reiner or even Jon Stewart.
What is your source? Even Wikipedia leaves out the L word in their almost word for word bio. I've read his autobio, seen a couple of bios on TV. . . MSNBC and HC (I think). They never used the L word.
Thank God for the end to the Fairness Doctrine. It's demise actualy started in the SCOTUS. When they upheld it in 1969, they also placed conditions upon it which eventualy brought it down.
Just to be clear, Limbaugh doesn't work for and never has worked for Murdoch.
So it's ok to quote Limbaugh as long as we don't denigrate liberal entertainers (in the same breath), LOL?
Certainly Limbaugh's an entertainer. He's the first person to admit that his primary goal is to gain as large and audience as possible and then to hold it for as long as possible. He's a lot of things, including occasionally a hypocrite. Who isn't? He's also a true conservative. He's occasionally an original thinker. And he’s also effective. To say that he’s no more than an entertainer is the same as saying that Obama and The Clinton’s are no more that career federal bureaucrats.
To say that he’s no more than an entertainer is the same as saying that Obama and The Clinton’s are no more that career federal bureaucrats.
Try listening to his early radio checks sometime... and tell me if he sounds conservative or liberal to you
We can have the argument about Fairness doctrine (again) in another thread