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Re: weekdayballer- glad you replied
phildunphey 693 reads
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You sir are choice. Notice people that he never denies that he is  a cheap bastard looking to see how much he can negotiate off a donation or change the terms of an appt. or that he feels women should feel fortunate to be graced by his presence if but for an hour when scheduled for 1.5hrs.
He just wants to know how I know. I never asked about you and I could honestly care less about  your activities but they were mentioned in the first encounter and I just guessed with the second. I'm sure you aren't the only one looking for a discount but your username stands out. I'm glad you are done with me cause I'm tired of hearing your crap.

Posted By: weekdayballer
You sir are a flat out bold faced liar. Your white knight attempts are shining through in the worst way. I find it very funny that you would see a lady and upon arrival, in between pops or before leaving you find and feel the need to discuss other posters....and then when the time is right you decide to bash another poster with blatent lies via he said she said crap. How soon before you run to mom and tell her that I hid your Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle toothbrush?  
   
 I seriously doubt that any lady on here would discuss another client with a client. That is a recipe for disaster....but seeing that you ocassionally venture into the kitchen maybe you should spend a minute and try to find that recipe.  
   
 I have said my peace and I'm done with you. Don't bother responding to me any further.    
   
Posted By: phildunphey
But we have seen several of the same ladies and how do you know they don't talk? One mentioned a bargaining situation you were trying to do and when another mentioned a similar situation 2 weeks later, I asked if it was you and she laughed knowingly.    
     
Posted By: weekdayballer
Phildunphey...it's not about agreeing or disagreeing. I voiced my opinion and that is it.    
       
   So how have you heard complaints about me when according to records...you have ZERO reviews..and the ladies I see none would or do discuss other people they see.    
       
   So YES...you are whitenighting and if not you are doing nothing more than posting with an alias trying to stir the pot.    
       
   If you care to discuss this issue any further please feel free to PM me.    
       
   
Posted By: phildunphey
I don't see anyone here agreeing with you. If you make a 90 minute appointment, you should compensate for a 90 min appt.  Do you go into a restaurant, eat half your meal and expect to pay only half too?    
         
    I have twice heard complaints about you from providers- your username is an easy one to remember (both a blessing and a curse I guess). Both commented about you trying to get more for less--bargaining etc. Your comments here accentuate that fact.    
         
    And why are you picking on Cayden. I'm not white knighting and I haven't meet her (yet) but she has definitely come across as one of the nicer and most professional ladies around. Judging by the gentleman that have met her, YOU are way off base..    
         
   
Posted By: weekdayballer
It's not great advise. It's being greedy. Sometimes things come up in this business....on both ends. How many times has a provider cancelled an appointment at the last minute. Remember, the client has made the appointment, made excuses to get out maybe, cancelled work related business. Do you reimburse them for that.....NOPE.      
           
     Think about these things.....is you ad completely honest? Are you being honest about your pictures, your AGE, what you offer and what you don't?      
           
     Be happy that they stayed for the hour and not walk away once you opened the door.      
           
     Not trying to be ignorant but there are and is always 3 sides to every story.....your side, their side and the truth.

Several times over the last few weeks, I have run into a new problem.  Although visitors have schedule 90 minutes or longer to visit, they will stay a shorter period of time, only telling me once they arrive & not before, creating an excuse to leave earlier.  Then, they only pay for what they stayed, rather than what they agreed to.  The visitors are all repeat.

When I mention that I expect the full amount, I get two responses.  The first is an apology, saying will they will reimburse me on the next visit.  The second reaction is more angry, saying they are only going to pay for the time they stayed.

Is this common in the community?  Am I doing something wrong?  What should my reaction be?

Thanks for the advice,
Colleen

SabrinaSecks1208 reads

I had the same thing happen to me recently too.  I wonder if it's the same person :(

to defend it are dead wrong. Seems like they're bringing up issues unrelated to the OP.

AND I can see the type of hobbyist that providers would avoid by reading this thread.

Do people like me that claim they will be an hour then pay for 2 cause your so awesome bother you :)

and most of the time I do not mind it, there are time frames when I have minimums though like rush hour or early or late appts.  But then I also have a set incall and do not have to eat a room fee so it is slightly different.  It still is irritating though but I certainly prefer the return business because I can lengthen and shorten things as needed on a whim.  

I will say though, if it happens enough times I may forbid the gent to book longer then that appt he always ends up actually using.  So yes, I have a few that I tell they can only book 60mins because never fails they will book 2hrs and then at 50mins they are spent and exhausted saying I am the only one who does that and wants to leave early.  For me, not a big deal.    

I can totally see if you are booking a super nice room(100+ for the date), he is the only guest of the day.  Spending the 2-3hrs showering, getting ready driving and whatnot making sure to offer a nice wine or even bottle water for rehydration the time and expense of that to then be told on entry by a return guest that he can only stay the hour(when you are out that hour, the 2-3 getting ready and the few hours it takes to shut down and drive back) which leaves you with only making 125-200 in most cases spending more then 6hrs between transit/readying/engaging/disengaging and then returning home.  NOT worth it even if you adore the man and lust his body.  

Guys, know that we know WHY alot of you do this(not me because like I said with a stadic it is different).  It is because you want us to accomidate you well, you want us to move the heavens to make it happen and if you promise a longer visit we are more likely too.  Some never intended to do the longer time but they wanted the super nice room, the great wine, and the 20$ porn payperview but your budget is not there for the multihour.  You know if you contact your choice provider asking for an hour she is going to be less apt to get the "good" suite, the "good" wine, and really go all out to look amazing.  Or she would not be willing to drive 2hrs get a room and visit and the only way to get her out to you is to promise the longer time.  Heard of it happening over and over but you know what it gets you, a bad rap.  Totally, the girls will have conversation about you, figure it out if it is an MO.  Your lady friend will let the lady who provided reference know what happened...  It can get nuts.  

My advice is just book what you are able, if she is unwilling or unable to assist you it is better then her being pissed she had to drive 2hrs, get a room for a 1hr when you promised 3hrs...

I've raised my hourly minimum because I have YET to schedule a one hour appointment that doesn't go 2-5 hours. The more I see a gent, the longer he wants to be with me. I've had guys that never thought they'd spend more than an hour with a companion doing overnights.  

Since these are all repeats, you must be good for something. And of course I mean that in a good way ;-). Think about your previous dates with these gents. Are they the kind of clients that even book 90 minutes? Was the previous appointments longer than an hour and they ended up "moving" too fast? That would be my only reasoning for booking less time as a repeat client.  

Also I would recommend assessing your communication and vetting of your clients as well. I know the kind of client I gel with, and I know when a client is trying something outside of his normal type of appointment. I do my best to recognize and accommodate that 'different type' of client, and bring a bit of myself into the mix so he can see that difference and feel like it was money well spent. I don't knock a man for the length of appointments he enjoys. But when he REALLY wants to spend time with a woman, I want him to have me on his mind.  

But I think that it's okay if they change their minds about the length of appointment. At least they were considerate and actually booked an appointment. They could have just stood you up. Like someone else mentioned, you can't be this upset when they want to extend the appointment.  

As far as deposits are concerned, a man that really wants to meet with you will do just that.

After posting, I found out from other providers in the area that the same visitors are doing it to everyone.  It's their pattern.   It's almost as though they had a meeting.

They see the girl for a longer visit, do an over the top, great review, (in the meantime, he gets all of his verifications on P411, Date-Check, or White Listings) then on the next visit, they will leave early, not paying the full amount, promise to make it up on the next visit, then cancel the next visit.  By this time, the provider figures out what's going on & either decides to not see him or tolerates his behavior, but always on his terms.  That's one scenario.  The others vary slightly.

I'm glad you found clarity.  

I must ask how and when are these changes being communicated? Before your appointment, when he calls to confirm, or when he's in your presence? That would make a difference on how one could feel about it.  

The day before or within 4 hours would be an acceptable time to be understanding of his schedule and to shorten his meeting with me.  

If he calls to confirm less than 4 hours before the meeting and says 'you know I'm not going to be able to stay as long,' you then have the option to accept or decline the appointment because you may or may not have a better option, or you feel slighted by the change.  

As for him showing up for a 90 minute appointment, and slapping 1/3 of the donation in your hand/on the counter, you then have the right to turn him away at the door. Or keep the appointment depending on how you feel. I felt compelled to ask because it sounded like you're getting blindsided to the change, or you're not getting your money up front.

It still goes back to understanding this client and talking to references before you meet them, and putting in vetting measures to understand their Modus Operandi. This is still information that you should not have learned in hindsight, especially if these were hobbyists. I understand there are guys that will use you to get a foot in the door, and usually they reveal themselves pretty quickly, and you have the right to decline appointments with these types.  

While this pattern of 'playing' is bad, it's still not theft to me, and not worthy of blacklisting because he didn't hurt you, or wasn't the police. Public blacklists are no joke, and listing him on private ones not only tell a lot about him, but a lot about you. I once asked a man's ONLY reference why she gave a guy a Don't Recommend on DC, she said it was because he was sweaty, and he sweat in her face. I saw him, and had a sweaty good time too.  

He didn't owe you to reschedule with you at all, and that was lame that he would go through such measures to get a shorter session with you instead of being honest. Bad behavior should be reported to references, and to any group of women that you associate yourself with.  

Be well, darling!  


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