. . . and vice-versa.
Since neither we nor Israel can conquer or destroy the Arabs (the latter as a matter of practicality) then what else do we do please? Beating the hell out of them might impress them, but it won't last as long as the resentment of families who lose fathers, sons and grandsons.
You either be willing to obliterate them totally (the Chechen and American Indian model) or you cobble together a way to try to prevent conflicts.
BTW, I don't think anybody here agrees with equating Thanksgiving with the losses of the Indians.
IMO, no conflicts had started then. Diseases (and alcohol) decimated the Indians repeatedly, otherwise the neither the West nor East would have been won. There was nothing bygone about it yet. The geopolitical situation was decided by drugs and bugs.
All the Indians had to counter our bugs and drugs were tobacco, cocaine, and syphilis.
I'm wondering if US weakness might be bringing Israel seriously to the table, and if Arabs see the opportunity to end this Israeli/Palestinian conflict, or at least improve it.
I'll watch this.
I mean, if Bush's gutting of our military forced the Israelis to come to the table and the Arabs to step up, it would mean that through no fault of his own GWB would have facilitated the thing that Carter and Clinton were unable to accomplish. Talk about an idiot savant....
anything other than destroy isreal
sorry Doc but I don't think youre gonna wake the fuck up until tel aviv is a smoldering wreck,
then it will be too late....
Happy Thanksgiving BTW, (wherein according to leftwing wackos)we celebrate the eventual wholesale fucking of the american indian
j/k
lol
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. . . and vice-versa.
Since neither we nor Israel can conquer or destroy the Arabs (the latter as a matter of practicality) then what else do we do please? Beating the hell out of them might impress them, but it won't last as long as the resentment of families who lose fathers, sons and grandsons.
You either be willing to obliterate them totally (the Chechen and American Indian model) or you cobble together a way to try to prevent conflicts.
BTW, I don't think anybody here agrees with equating Thanksgiving with the losses of the Indians.
IMO, no conflicts had started then. Diseases (and alcohol) decimated the Indians repeatedly, otherwise the neither the West nor East would have been won. There was nothing bygone about it yet. The geopolitical situation was decided by drugs and bugs.
All the Indians had to counter our bugs and drugs were tobacco, cocaine, and syphilis.
Well, prepare to be disappointed.
It's a toss-up whether the Israelis or the Pallys are more internally divided at this moment, to the point where any thought of reaching an agreement, let alone selling it to their respective domestic constituencies and making it stick, is even possible. The pessimistist in me says no.
As for the Israelis, it's just business as usual -- Bush II, having been milked for everything it's worth, now only needs merely to be humored while the Israelis go about their predictable business of making outrageous demands on the US political system and putting al contenders for the Presidency on notice that, come what may, Israel will always get it's way.
Roadmaps to Peace? Hey, we don't need no stinkin' road maps! We don't have no stinkin' roadmaps! Ehud is too gentlemenly to put the case that bluntly, but after 40 years of this, can it be viewed as anything else?
As for the Pallys, well, the less hope placed in them, the more sensible and realistic you are.
Expect nothing to change except the death toll and the intensity of the hatreds, on all sides; all of which will register upward movement. Sigh.
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