I do not know of this has been discussed before, but is the hour BCD time or real time? In other words, the shower/chatting before, chatting between "pops", chatting/shower afterwards, should that be "off the clock"? My opinion is yes.
time. Makes no damn difference how you choose to spend your hour, but it's still the time you pay for. And, if you want to insist on burning 20 min. for two damn showers, I suggest you book 90 min. vs. an hour. Respect her time, and you will be shocked at how much OTC time you might be "offered."
If you don't want shower time and talking to count, go see a 15 min. girl...problem solved. You can't say you want gfe, and in the same breath say you don't think the gfe part should be paid for. If you don't expect to pay for a naked chick lying there next to you while YOU recharge, then let her turn the fkin tv on or check her client emails lol. Yea, I can see how that review would go.
A blow and go or fbsm, might be a better match for you and your wallet. Just sayin.
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if you or the lady are late, then maybe...MAYBE...an extension is warranted, but you'd better ask about it at the beginning of your session.
and, to be fair, many a provider i have seen has been on "bar time"...in fact one girl had a clock set to 15 minutes ahead sitting on the dresser at the foot of her bed, so im' guessing every guy thought they spent 15 minutes more than they had. what i do in most cases is just check my own watch at the beginning and end, and a couple of times i've pointed out...politely...that i think the lady was mistaken about the time that had passed and i still had time left on the clock. never had an attitude or conflict when i did so...POLITELY.
that being said, the clock runs as soon as you get in the door. i even think that if you take a shower before the fun, that's on the clock. (so take a shower before you get there). you're paying for her time, nothing else.
in fact, providers have told me that some of their clients don't even actually do the deed with them, and many talk, or watch, or watch porn together, or what. my point is, you're paying her for her time, how you spend it is up to you. if you cuddle and chit chat between pops, that's on you, bud.
suck and duck, eat and beat, screw and... well... screw.
so many classy euphemisms 
Anyway, London, I'm just replying to you to get my post near the top. I'm not stalking you,
as far as you know.
Here's Eddie at a nice steakhouse in Texas, polishing off a big, juicy porterhouse, and then bringing the bone to the manager and demanding that he weigh it and refund the appropriate percentage of his dinner cost.
Sneaky bastards, trying to charge you for something you can't eat -
you can't fool Eddie!
You couldn't possibly think that the timer stops while reloading, could you? If you need an hour before you're ready, you expect the provider to sit around and cuddle and listen to your life's stories and not be compensated for it?
An hour is an hour...what happens during that time is up to you.
how long it takes you to "pop"... but if you are planning on spending an hour on several "pops"... you must have quite the stamina!!! LOL!
Now, remember that supposedly we get compensated for our time only (that includes chatting) 
It's all on the clock but the shower.unless she is in the shower with me then its son the clock too. Hell, that might gather a bigger tip!
whether you are taking a dump in her bathroom, showering in her shower or sleeping in her bed, you are taking up her time that she could be using to entertain someone else.
The fact that you think chatting in between pops should be off the clock is funny. You can't perform, therefore she should turn off the clock. I'm guessing the ladies are lining up outside your door to see you...
properly satisfy all my perceived needs.
Some may count the pre-session shower as part of your time, some may not. I rarely shower at her place when I arrive, as I have just done it prior to leaving home. If she asks me to, of course I would in that case. As London said, any chatting done after you get started is on the clock, it's your time to spend as you choose, but it's part of the hour.
Showering after you're done, same answer, it may or may not be on the clock. If she asks if you want to shower before leaving, my guess would be that more often than not, it's off the clock since the session is basically over already. But ya never know.
Swim
so don't dally in the shower unless she's in there with you (very hot!).
Rarely, a lady wishing to promote cleanliness might allow for a shower Off The Clock...
Sometimes a provider might allow a client to hang out after the session, chatting & such OTC but clothes are going back on or are already on. But one must be mindful of hints to depart as she may have a later appointment & needs time to prepare.
HV
that's one of the funniest comments I have ever read on this board.
I go smoke or get a drink...maybe even check my emails lol.
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I agree!
it's hilarious.
... get a lot of different opinions on this.
Here's mine...
When you schedule 1-2 hours (or more), then it should be just that. Nothing less. If the provider is in a hurry and ends the agreed time frame (i.e. 30 minutes), she should adjust her compensation for that.
If the provider is *NOT* a clock watcher and you went over 5 to 10 minutes, you should not be charged extra because both of you had a great time. However, if you overstay your welcome, you should compensate the provider for the extra time.
I always shower before I meet the provider, however, if the provider *forces* me to take one even though I just took one a half hour before, then the "clock" should stop while I take that quick shower just to pacify the provider. (This has only happened to me once)
If the provider wants to take a shower with you, then that's part of the time together.
The chatting is also part of the time, however, if the provider is purposely chatting for a long time, then I will interrupt her and ask her to proceed with the session. [This has happened to me several times and I knew what the provider was trying to do (attempt to have a no-sex session) and it didn't work] You just need to be mindful of the time, but don't stare at the clock or your watch!!
Serpius
Expect her to pretend it is a sexy, romantic experience, while you are running a stop watch to track every second on and off the clock.
Or how, in trying so very hard to get your money's worth, to be assured you get crap.
You get an hour to do pretty much what you want with a lady. If you spend it doing things that you do not want to pay for, how exactly is that something she should pay for? If you do not want to talk or anything else, do not do so. If she requires you to take a shower, she probably will extend the time a little to allow for that, but beyond that, it is your time to do as you wish.
Including being an idiot, it seems.
zig
I would consider it a grace if the lady doesn't include the initial shower in the hour, but you can't really be serious that you don't think the downtime is part of the hour. That's all part of the experience and besides what would you have the lady do, have a timer sitting there that when you are done you hit the stop button until you're ready again? Wow! I've always believed the only stupid question is the one you don't ask, but I must rethink that now.
By the way, Laura I must make time to come see you. Wow!
She hits the button for every time she is doing the work, He does the same! Only the difference in time is paid for.
Come here London, we are going to get you shut up yet!
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Hi FG,
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I understand you are paying for a provider's time, but let's face facts, you are actually paying the provider for the service, hence the upsells, for GREEK, Multipops, ect. What I am trying to say is that if you pay for an hour, yet you may want to take a few minutes to use the restroom after driving an hour to see her to freshen up, and then get to know you chat for a few minutes, then do your BCD session, then because it was so intense, you need to take another 5 minute shower and maybe chat some again before you leave, as far as chatting/taking a break between pops, it maybe 4 minutes to "reload" and rest to get that second pop. You pay for an hour, so actually you get 35-40 minutes, if that, of BCD time if we are doing real time.
on YOU, not the provider. For 'some' providers you pay for time, and others you pay for the services and time. An hour is an hour regardless of what you do with it. If it only takes you 4 min. to get ready to go again, which I highly doubt, why would you worry about such a small time frame to begin with? So, you recharge and she gets to leave the room? Great...no problem. Can she call her boyfriend or kids as well, since that time should not be paid for lol. Awesome! I will get the memos out.
You are the one who does not get it. Most providers start the clock when you walk in the door, so yea...you get an hour from the time you walk in to the time you leave. IF your shower time is 'given' to you, consider it a grace, because it is certainly not required a provider do that. Most men have the common sense to book an appt. when they can be showered before they arrive. The shower part is something you should do on YOUR time, not hers.
What happens inbetween is of no concern when the clock is ticking. Does your shrink stop the clock when you go smoke a cigarette during the time she is being paid? I think not. I can see your point about it being not an hour of sex, but no shit. If ALL you want is sex, book a provider who does not sell gfe.
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Yes Eddie it is us not you.
She spends a lot more than an hour setting up and getting ready for an hour appointment. What you are trying to explain, and we don't "get" is ridiculous. What if, when you got there, she needed a shower on your time? OR she lets you know you only have 20 minutes left since she showered for you. Maybe she should offer to be clean for an "upsell", and you would take the dirty route? I don't like how harsh this is coming out, but damn, I can't believe you don't get it either. I almost always get a shower, but I hurry b/c I wouldn't expect it to be OTC. To even offer a shower costs her something that I expect to reimburse for. For my regular girl, I have brought new towels, soap, mouthwash, and toothbrush just so it costs her less. Once I even brought a huge laundry detergent and told her how much I appreciate her doing our laundry. I think she liked it better than flowers! Try it Eddie, it should pay you back in spades to be generous.
to prepare, drive, and get dressed for even one appt. My rate would be 1200 if I included the getting ready part.
I thought getting dressed was part of the preparation stage.
Serpius
If you want to be technical about it, then what about my time I get ready and the time, gas and mileage put on my vehicle to drive in traffic for an hour to see her? I shower and make sure I am clean before the appointment, but sometimes when you sit in traffic to go across town, then you have use the restroom. I do not need to spend 10 minutes showering because I got through digging a ditch 2 minutes before my session was suppose to start.
what you do on "your way to an appt." You "choose" to see hookers do you not? We choose to set the rates for time, services etc. If you don't like the terms, there is always match.com. Do you think my Doctor or Dentist gives me a discount if I get stuck in traffic on my way to the appt.? Yea right. If anything, I am forced to book on another day when I can be on time for the appt. "I" scheduled.
I don't think you really get the p4p world and how it works, or how any business works for that matter. This is OUR business, and YOUR hobby...you don't have to play in it. If you want to play here, you play by the rules set by the providers you want to see...if not, good luck in finding ones who will do what you want. Problem is, most of you guys who are so "activity based" usually are the first to bitch and whine about the lackluster gfe you got. Well um, you just said talking was not a requirement and you did not want to pay for ANYTHING but sex...so, when just that happens, don't be so shocked.
What you really expect is 90 min. of time, for the hourly rate...hey, it could happen. I often used to give my regulars extra time when I charged by the hour, but they never displayed the same attitude of entitlement that you have either. Their respect for my time, earned them those extras.
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That is why here in Dallas, there are so many providers that you can pick and choose who you want to spend your money on, not just take whatever a provider wants to do, that is kinda like my SO, and I pay for that already, so I can choose who I want to spend my money on by what I ask for in a session, it is called research. Yes, I am looking for guaranteed sex, I am not looking to wine and dine you, but on the sex part, I am looking for more than a dead fish and going through the motions, but your analogy, a hobbyist must do what the provider wants and pay her as well. I think you are the one with a sense of entitlement in the fact that you believe a guy should pay you and whatever he gets from you, he gets. If getting what I pay for is cause for people to say I have a sense of entitlement, well, I guess I do. What kind of idiot pays a provider to hope that he might get a session he likes?
Being from Texas is your problem...you have thousands of cheap, hard working, and attractive providers out there fighting over a dime. I did not say that you and a provider can't agree on the terms beforehand did I? I said, you were an idiot expecting one whose terms are clearly defined (that is about 90 percent) to not charge you for her TIME!
You are entitled to see women who will put up with your shit...yep, that much you have right. You are also entitled to the damn hour you pay for and NOT A MINUTE MORE, and for the services that she agrees to provide for the rate posted! The rest...not so much. Only women desperate for your money are going to do exactly what you say, when you say it. I am sure this thread will even get you a few messages from women who are not making money, telling you how mean the big bad London is...you can thank me later lol.
You don't go into any business and try to change up their way of doing things...that includes THIS BUSINESS! You can very well search out those 15 min. quickie girls who you claim are too mechanical, and then just stfu. You pay for an hour, and you get an hour! What is so hard to understand about basic math? An hour is 60 minutes, not 75, not 95.
It would be one thing if you were told to leave BEFORE your time was up, but that's not the case. You want something for free when the time is what you agreed to pay for...you're deluded if you think any hooker owes you a thing...you have not earned that privelage and your reviews prove it. Get an ATF, treat her right, maybe tip her(lol), and then you will get the perks that guys who have been at this for YEARS can get. You come off the damn block thinking a hooker owes you extra time for nothing, is just crazy.
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You are correct about some providers with a bad attitude, and nobody likes that. The post started out about what is a fair way to shake out some extra OTC time. That shows your attitude, and that is why the focus has been on how badly that will go in this hobby. There is no guarantee that if you book extra time, things will go better, but nobody likes a clockwatcher whether it is the client or the provider. Everybody likes a thoughtful and generous person.
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You live in Dallas? You're lucky, you have one of the best providers in your city. I have to travel to see her, and I think if I could go for two hours straight so would she. She may be a little over priced for you though seeing that you started this thread with this silly question. I'll say one thing though, you sure got the natives riled up. Come on, seriously though. Most of these women are wonderful people who yes provide a service, but each and every one of these women that I see more than once makes me feel nearly as good during the down time as the action (I did say nearly). I would never even consider that I shouldn't be on the clock when we are laying around talking and being intimate. And as I said earlier, if a provider doesn't start the clock during your initial shower then you should consider that grace.
Even considering sending them a sympathy card from Amazon or something. Either you are a pot stirring comedic genius or a delusional dipsh!t.
Using your flawless logic, I suppose that they should also pay you for the time it takes to shave your balls so they can have the opportunity to lick them.
This post has been a pretty good one for a Monday
Lmao! A thoroughly amusing thread. Wowwww.
"Using your flawless logic, I suppose that they should also pay you for the time it takes to shave your balls so they can have the opportunity to lick them."
I tried, but some just won't get it. I'll dig my ditch and bring my laundry soap, you keep asking for time credit to piss.
I will add though, after I explained that every visit, I fuck up a towel, hand towel, and a set of sheets at the minimum and that I see her hard work in preparing the place and thought to bring some soap just as a reminder that I appreciate her, I literally had to wipe tears from her cheeks and we have the best ongoing and meaningful sexual relationship I have ever experienced. It has been so well worth it, I still can hardly believe what some thought and $15 worth of shopping can do.
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There have been many studies done on this. In one large scale international study, it showed that in healthy males, having sex with females, sex could last anywhere between 30 seconds to 40 minutes before first ejaculation. Out of the 4,000 cases studied, the overall average time was 5.4 minutes between initiation of sex and ejaculation.
Eddie just book fifteen minute sessions and you will have time for a double.
Shhh no talking or washing.
We are dealing with "Fast" Eddie Felton. So what he needs is a Manager, a chick who limps and a pool table.
Hey is that a pool cue in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
and if fast eddie doesn't watch who he is mouthing off to, he might get his thumbs broken
I'm just sayin'
It's really 50 minutes and it starts as soon as you step foot into the room with no breaks.
And this is sometimes an attempt to extend the hour. The best approach, I think, is to not be overly rigid about time, but to make it plain that an extension of time will be a rare occurance.
More interesting is the "doorknob statement", which appears on the surface to be an attempt to extend time, but is usually instead a statement about a subject that the client has gotten the nerve to bring up, but not to actually talk about in that session. Their hope is that the therspist will then be the one to bring it up at the next session, so they won't have to. And the therapist can accomodate that wish if he/she thinks it will be beneficial to the client, which it almost always will be.
1 hr is 60 min. Many providers give some slack for things like showers (their choice), but you pay for the time, and excessive talk, etc., is part of the time.
Hi,
...of a 2HR appt; just talking owes me 45 minutes of play time!! No, wait... That was @ my behest!! So, it was all good!! I find the chatting to be fantastic part of the session!! Since this woman & I "click", I look forward to the chats & don't mind them at all being included, as they should, in the session!! It's funny, but I'm the clock watcher!! I check her watch, close to the end of the session to make sure I don't go over time!! I always respect her time!!
.....if every little part of the date other than the actual sucking/rubbing/kissing/licking and fucking was to be considered off the clock then then a lot would be getting 2hrs for the price of one....no no no. A 5min wash up before and after not a big deal and not really counted toward the hour but anything IN-BETWEEN honey is ON THE CLOCK tick-tock tick-tock tick-tock. After you take a quick wash up and enter into the room and we hit the bed the clock starts. I sort of expect 1hr to turn into like 1hr 10-ish which isn't a big deal at all but if you're pushing 90 mins or more then you're paying for that extra time you took up.
I hope you don't start insisting on you're considerate and respectful of a ladies time.
Most of the ladies I've seen allow time for showering before and after. Anything else is usually on your time. I've had a few I've chatted with off the clock but I did not expect it, nor have I receive anything else. You just need to plan accordingly and make the most of your time.
you had a special rate of 225 for 1 hour, she did all you asked but guess it wasn't long enough for you.
It seems you didn't like that she didn't know what a stripper slide was!
I've been around quite a while and I don't know what it is and quite few other ladies don't either.
Instead of showing a little patience and showing her how to do it sounds like you made her feel bad for not knowing, so of course she went to what she knew best.
Then it seems like she tried hard to please you even if you are trying to make it seem like she didn't try but I know she did causeshe could of let you cum but instead she took you in her mouth and swallowed! For $225?
What I really don't understand is why did you call her to tell her that you were going to write a review and "if" you were honest in it then it wouldn't be a good one?
Seems like she pissed you off when she told you it was your fault you two didn't click and I can see her point regarding that but she shouldn't of said that to a client.
I think you look for negative things to jot down, you even wrote in a review that a girl wore the outfit you wanted but wore panties instead of g-string...maybe she didn't have one with her or a string tore broke?? seems like you complain about petty crap and are so busy looking for bad you don't enjoy the good!
I forgot to add that she allowed you to take photos and she did all this at no extra charge? I feel for your wife and hope that you are not in any authoritive position! I'd hate to have you as a boss and I'm pretty sure that if Dallas providers read this they will think twice before seeing you!
Gee, a provider would not let you basically put your unwrapped weenie near her, gave you a discount to boot, and you're still bitching? Please, stay the fk in Texas. We are all full up on crazy here. You are a cheap ass, lowballing, POS hobbyist mad that you have to pay for sex. That should have been my first post to you, but I was trying to start the day out being nice..day is about over. Take a damn hike.
Guys like you use the review system to get naive providers to do whatever you want and for cheap...women like me, tell you to get fked, and you can't stand it. Go to a truck stop.
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Some wonder why when providers go to Texas we up our rates lol....to avoid nutjobs like THIS! He can't afford premium rates yet expects premium service, bitches about a dive motel when he got a discount to start with lol, and then wants extra time on top of it? Here's a clue dumbass, if more guys paid the girl for her time maybe she could afford a nice hotel! Ya think? Providers willing to just so easily give their time away, are usually not the same providers having to fk 3-5 guys a day either. But ooops, they generally cost more and we know you can't afford that.
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If the lady decides to give you extra time for showering separate from the hour, that's entirely up to her, but it's a bonus, not something to be expected.
a thread at all! seems like he is going out of his way to cause her grief! he is a douche!!
I don't count the minutes, so I don't care. As long as a provider puts a minimum of 30 minutes between the end of one appointment and the beginning of the next one, that is more than reasonable.
If my appointment is 1 pm, I don't care if we don't do the whole hour if her next appointment is 230 pm.
However, if I am the 230 pm appointment and the 1 pm doesn't show up til 115 pm, I expect her to be ready for my 230 pm. If she wants to give him til 215 pm, that's her business. But my start time is 230 pm.
if the guy does a quick in and out at the providers request OR if it is agreed at the beginning he can have a few mins in the shower off the clock before the session then fine it is off the clock.
HOWEVER, there are a couple instances where it should not be off the clock and some have been listed. If the lady is in the shower with you, you arrive late, or are the type that takes a 15-20min shower. And yes all 3 exist and some try to get all 3 OTC. I have heard the stories about guys showering for 20mins using up every towel in the bathroom and hearing the singing all the way in the bedroom. I mean if that is how the guy wants to spend this time, fine but a 20min shower or a shower off the clock when you are 10-15mins late isn't going to happen because we all have a schedule to keep. It is not always because we have another appt after, sometimes it is because we are supposed to be home at a particular time or that we have a Dr, dentist, personal trainer, mani/pedi, movie or whatever appt after to get to. Just because we are in this industry does not mean we do not have a life outside of it.
As far as a stripper slide, NASTY!!! If you keep doing that with girls you don't know you are going to get something because any and all STD are fully transferable either way doing that(tip, it only takes a scant amount of her fluid getting into your dickhead to get something if she has anything including the bare contact can spread warts and herpes even without an active outbreak because it is in the fluids you want rubbed all over you!)
So... With me personally, I do not ask guests to shower. If their scent is to much for me, I can clean it myself to make sure with a washcloth and soap to my satisfaction. If he wants to shower then it is in his time if he wants a 2 minute or a 30min one and no I am not jumping in there. Sorry guys it may be sexy as hell to shower with a woman but 1 to many guys trying to shove bars of soap up my cootie and finger nails scratching up my lady parts because you can't feel exactly where I am has made me avoid showering with guests. HOWEVER, I am not a clock watcher and regularly go over by 5-10mins.
As far as conversation not being included??? Are you serious? If you don't want to talk that is fine, clue me in from the get go but if you want that time to grow comfortable with me too then it is on the clock. I will tell you that if I don't know you and you don't want to talk your time with me is not likely to be as enjoyable. I will not feel the ease that I do with a guest who I am more comfy with, also less likely to go over at all because the less fun you make it for me the less I want you with me when I am not being comped
Many people have mentioned that ladies get paid for their time, so I won't beat the dead horse. instead, i would like to ask if you would like to get paid on same basis as you are proposing.
"American workers, on average, spend 45 hours a week at work, but describe 16 of those hours as “unproductive,” according to a study by Microsoft. America Online and Salary.com, in turn, determined that workers actually work a total of three days a week, wasting the other two. And Steve Pavlina, whose Web site (stevepavlina.com) describes him as a “personal development expert” and who keeps incremental logs of how he spends each working day, urging others to do the same, finds that we actually work only about 1.5 hours a day. “The average full-time worker doesn’t even start doing real work until 11:00 a.m.,” he writes, “and begins to wind down around 3:30 p.m.”"
So, would you like to be paid only for the hours that you ACTUALLY doing the work you were hired to do?
and I'll even supply the cream.
8o)
As long as you have a 2 hour min. you will avoid guys like him and the rest of the "Icky" community of lowballers. There is a shit load of money in both Dallas and Houston, but you have to price yourself out of the cheapo market to get noticed by the right guys.
Did I really say that?
in the nineties, I think... might have been Wil Durst, but I don't remember for sure.
He'd get his intro and amble slowly on stage, carrying a brown paper bag. Walk up to the microphone, set the bag down on his stool, and take out a styrofoam coffee cup. He'd take his time adding creamers one at a time, and a couple of sugar packets, stir the coffee, take a sip, let out a sigh, reach back and stretch. This would all take several minutes, as the audience tittered and wondered what was going on.
Finally he'd grab the mike and say "What? You go to work, you START right away?"
Let's say you are her next appointment but the lady is late because the guy in her room right now is chatting and taking his sweet time in the shower. Honestly, how would you feel about being kept waiting?
my guess..... another one who 'thinks' THEY built that
Interesting topic,,
For me, seeing a lady is all about creating a fantasy whereby the two of us are engaged in a " connection ". Included in that connection is a sexual interlude. But in addition to the sex are many other facets which contribute to the fantasy.
Being told, reminded or warned that she is on the clock, and that the clock is ticking is a turnoff for me. And if and when that happens its the last time I see that particular lady.
I don't abuse a ladies time constraints,,, but for her to say " well, time's up" is a reminder that we are engaged in a financial transaction first and foremost. Thats a turnoff.
A truly skilled courtesan can artfully make her exit while at the same time not rigidly adhering to the alarm on her cell phone.