BSDude: Speaking of people sitting at a computer and writing for TER, please count your comment totals. If you would like to know what commercial pilot pay is, go to www.airlinepilotcentral.com. We get paid by the flight hour.
If Man is partly to blame for Global warming if you simply cancel your newspaper subscription immediately you will be helping immensely.. Millions of trees will not be cut down for the paper ..The Planes that ship newspapers will not be burning all that fuel. Gas will be not be used by the Trucks transporting the paper to the distribution Points .Gas will not be used by the home delivery person.All that electricity used for running those giant printers will be saved ..If everyone had the internet there would be absolutely NO need for newspapers..Everything we read in the paper we usually read on the internet a few days to a few months beforehand unless its breaking news and that is available on the internet before the newspapers find it and print..If you are one of the believers that man is contributing to global warming, and you have the internet.... quit being a hypocrite and take the small step and cancel that paper..Might as well be real honest with yourself and cancel all those magazines also..Look at all the carbon credits you will gain.
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Dude, you have really got to quit drinking and posting.
So Puck are you saying I should have said planes that fly newspapers or do you think newspapers are never transported on planes??? Think before you answer as you sometimes don't think before YOU make a fool of yourself..If you are correcting my grammar damn you got me..
I'm saying that newspapers are in the main a local publication barring rags like USA Today or the WSJ. Even then they are generally printed locally. Do you think there are fleets of 747s at major airports every day loading cargos of newspapers?
Idiot.
Re: The planes that ship newspapers?
Posted by Puck, 11/22/2007 10:37:35 PM
I'm saying that newspapers are in the main a local publication barring rags like USA Today or the WSJ. Even then they are generally printed locally. Do you think there are fleets of 747s at major airports every day loading cargos of newspapers?
Idiot. "
and Puck I think you are a bit too analytical when dealing with a loss of words..The fact is I mentioned planes as ONE of the transportation methods that exist that distribute newspapers.and you could help save the World by not buying newspapers..Or maybe you are not the idiot and they deliver the New York Times by truck to Denver two days late..Bottom line if you own a computer and you are truly concerned about Global warming you will stop all newspaper and magazine subscriptions immediately before the Earth burns up.
Hang on a minute. You want me to lose my job. I'm one of the guys that fly the planes that deliver the newspapers....and mail, and overnight express packages, and lab specimens, and blood samples, and auto parts, and prescription drugs, and hazardous materials, and animals, and computers, and radioactive materials, and......the list would fill 3 pages. To get on the internet, you need electricity, a computer, (probably was shipped by air. My company has a huge contract with Dell), which is environmentally non-friendly to manufacture. Think of all the petroleum used to make the plastic parts, the copper wiring, the connectors, diodes, chips, the batteries, (which are a hazard in themselves), where is the payback. The earth is gonna do what it has always done for 6 billion years. That is to change. We are just visitors here, we don't own it. Saw a documentary on the Science Channel last night about an event 4 billion years ago. A meteor the size of Japan struck the earth and every known thing, solid, liquid, and gaseous was incinerated. The planet started over and recovered to the point we see today. Excellent program. Makes you think. Couple of Mount Penatubo eruptions and we could be back in an ice age, quick as a blink.
Re: The planes that ship newspapers?
Posted by jerseyflyer, 11/23/2007 5:57:20 PM
Hang on a minute. You want me to lose my job. I'm one of the guys that fly the planes that deliver the newspapers....and mail, and overnight express packages, and lab specimens, and blood samples, and auto parts, and prescription drugs, and hazardous materials, and animals, and computers, and radioactive materials, and......the list would fill 3 pages. To get on the internet, you need electricity, a computer, (probably was shipped by air. My company has a huge contract with Dell), which is environmentally non-friendly to manufacture. Think of all the petroleum used to make the plastic parts, the copper wiring, the connectors, diodes, chips, the batteries, (which are a hazard in themselves), where is the payback. The earth is gonna do what it has always done for 6 billion years. That is to change. We are just visitors here, we don't own it. Saw a documentary on the Science Channel last night about an event 4 billion years ago. A meteor the size of Japan struck the earth and every known thing, solid, liquid, and gaseous was incinerated. The planet started over and recovered to the point we see today. Excellent program. Makes you think. Couple of Mount Penatubo eruptions and we could be back in an ice age, quick as a blink.
I think its fine to transport all the artcicles you mentioned except newspapers.. Pets live a long time,some people need medicine,computers last for years etc... but newspapers every day they are delivered forests are mowed down to make paper for them which is usually old news or in the case of the NY Times twisted news...Think how much fuel and dump space would be saved if just the people that own computers cancel their newspaper subscription..In my opinion anyone who owns a computer and doesn't cancel their newspaper subscription isn't really worried about The Earth Burning up..
folks coming on here, with no concept of the expertise of others... and making statements. The ONLY person I know what they do for a living is Jack0... and he is fairly clear about his expertise.... most of these yahoos however, I am convinced that all they do is sit at a computer and write for TER! and we all know how well that pays.
BSDude: Speaking of people sitting at a computer and writing for TER, please count your comment totals. If you would like to know what commercial pilot pay is, go to www.airlinepilotcentral.com. We get paid by the flight hour.
If your so interested in global warming.
If any of you have ever studied geology you would realize that the earth has gone though dramatic climatic changes throughout its history. These changes were a lot more dramatic than any man made changes to the environment that are occuring today.
Yes, its good to recycle and not pollute the envirnment. But most of you guys are overreacting to the issue of global warming.
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A lot of you guys should take a geology course..
Posted by shaka700, 11/22/2007 10:34:48 PM
If your so interested in global warming.
If any of you have ever studied geology you would realize that the earth has gone though dramatic climatic changes throughout its history. These changes were a lot more dramatic than any man made changes to the environment that are occuring today.
Yes, its good to recycle and not pollute the envirnment. But most of you guys are overreacting to the issue of global warming.
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I am with you on not polluting and also recycling..You have to admit if people quit buying newspapers that alone would cut down on pollution and a lot of newspapers are not recycled..Look at all the pollution caused by distributing the Tabloid New York Times across the country ..except for Pucks as he has his delivered by Mule Team ...but look at all that extra methane
sadly this is the message of myself and a ton of sane climatologists... but that message is not being heard.... the dramatic emotional BS that comes from clowns such as A Gore rule the day. and that sadly prohibits a full disclosure and discussion of what is ACTUALLY happening with the climate.
heck, there is even some debate about the sahara desert - shrinking or expanding - and would this (shrinking) be accelerated with GCC?
The de-inking process produces a tremendous amount of chemical waste. It takes more resources to recycle paper than make new paper from trees.
Recycling reduces the number of trees we cut down to make paper. Paper doesn't come from wild forests anymore -- it comes from tree farms where the trees that are planted are selected for there fast growth, e.g. there ability to suck up atmosphereic CO2 and convert it to cellulose as fast as possible -- way more efficiently that old growth forests. In fact, if the global warming zanies were serious, they'd propose we stop recycling paper, cut down the old growth forests and replace them with tree farms.
We could pay off the National debt if we cut down all those Redwood trees and planted vast right wing tree farms
I get over 10 lbs of junk mail a week.... just think of all the trees, and energy that was used to create, print and distribute that garbage - and less that 1% has anything that is of interest to me, and even that 1% can be obtained from other far more efficient methods of information transfer.
Sheese... to say nothing of confusing the ability to filter out the important pieces of mail... so I have to go through all the junk.
I think I'll have to put my 2-bits worth in with Shaka700 and BizzaroSuperdude--well said. I must admit I am still skeptical on the cause and the degree to which Man has contributed to Global Warming. There sure have been very dramatic climate extremes in the past that had nothing to do with us. We live in a very dynamic and chaotic biosphere and trying to model long term weather and climate outcomes can be a very dicey proposition at best. Some of these "Environmentalists" with their outcries of doom and gloom should be scientifically honest and admit just what they don't know--which is a hellava lot.
Tree farms maybe the most efficient consumers of CO2. Studies show that the fast growth pine species planted by paper companies on their tree farms remove way more CO2 than old growth forests. So the next time someone from the lunatic fringe suggests we should do whatever is necessary to reduce atmosphereic CO2, ask them if they would agree to cut down the redwoods and sequoias and replace them with pine trees that we would harvest every 20 years. Yes, I know those old trees are magnificent, but we owe it to our progeny to sacrifice them in the name of stopping global warming. As they say, no price is too great when global warming is involved.
We also have to stop recycling paper. Not only does recycling paper cost more than making new paper from freshly cut trees, it produces huge quantities of chemical waste and reduces the demand for CO2 removing tree farms.
Quadseasonal, you've got to get on the global warming bandwagon here. LOL
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I suppose you could argue for:
1) Plant the trees;
2) Cut down the trees;
3) Plant new trees; and
4) Bury the trees cut down so they don't burn/rot/decay and release the trapped carbon.