Wisconsin

Re: Both have their pluses and minuses
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I think this is part of the problem, but this is more-so with the gents who aren't seeing reviewed gals. The gents who see strictly BP gals (those ladies who don't advertise anywhere else), tend to stick with those gals...and those who see the reviewed gals, tend to stick with those ladies. Of course, there are gents who dabble back and forth from time to time...which the "ladies" offering those extra services, to tend to set the precedent in the market for those activities, and as you stated, then the gents begin to expect it from everyone...and the one's who don't are affected. I know when I first started, the NCNS rate in Madison was quite high, but over the years, and with the addition of requiring references and adding myself to more sites, that rate is almost non-existent now. But, I do speak to other ladies from time-to-time who have just started in the hobby, and their NCNS rate is close to 3 out of ever 5 guys will not show up (these are all BP calls). I think many of the guys call many numbers, haggle, and go with the best price they can find...some even call more than one gal, and whoever shows up first, is who they see, and stop answering their phone for the others.  

But, I think there are still plenty of gents that do not seek out these activities, and know that although it may feel better, that the repercussions and consequences of such activities are too high.  
Posted By: JoeB
You have guys who are used to getting ripped off by low class girls. Guys, especially in some areas, get to be very skittish because of continual busts in the news. This leads to a lot of no shows. Add in that many of the guys are seeing ads and find out that for x$ extra (as little as 50) some BP girl will BBFS w/ CIP even though it's not bright, and they'll go fill her up. I've had some seriously attractive girls viciously undercut each other, more than a few offered no cover for a small tip to try and get the business. I'll be honest, this isn't a Wisconsin thing because I've seen it repeated in Chicago, LA, NY, and SFO.  
   
 Guys have gotten rude because, quite literally, it's become more of a buyers market. The BP girls might be more trouble than they're worth 99 out of 100 time IMHO, but they are so desperate for clients it's not funny. I know of three friends who can tell you about girls who went from safe to very (very) unsafe to try and get / keep business. You want to know who your competition is? Let me tell you, it's those girls. They are training the guys to demand unsafe practices, to be rude about what they want. So what? You don't offer bare X, Y, or Z? You don't speak Greek? This other pretty young thing here does. I know one guy that pretty much tells girls he's looking for X and he has no problems finding it when he looks. He's not necessarily rude, but he is demanding. You don't do BBBJCIM he's not seeing you, he hasn't fallen for the BBFS cookie yet. I told him that was even less intelligent than picking up the local bar girls that open for a new guy every week and so far (well, he says anyway) he hasn't done anything that stupid.  
   
 Yeah, I know they're dumb. It's bad enough in my mind when the protection fails, but to actively not use it? Dumb. Apparently there's a surplus of young and dumb girls waiting to be filled up.

Once again ncns. Please babies ncns  complaining about us when reputable  hobbiest do this all the time.  

Waste of time
Xo
K

I have been the most honest in the area and even I get NCNS. I am not a perfect ten.. But I sure try and keep it honest and real!  

IDk how to change these guys minds. I can go out of town and be booked solid and turn many away.

I have even brought famous gals in town and they got the cold shoulder. I felt ashamed that I even asked them to come here.
''Truth be told and maybe some get it.

Am pretty helpful and many of the high end gals are... but it starts with the men.

It really starts with the guys.  

Few are out in WI you can trust and really don't "scare" us away or are you left with is Ripoffs and B&S.

Posted By: kylalavi
Once again ncns. Please babies ncns  complaining about us when reputable  hobbiest do this all the time.  
   
 Waste of time  
 Xo  
 Ky  
   
   
 

the guys who have a history of being well respected with a ton of reviews do not want that crap on their handles, so they don't do it without a very good reason such as an emergency. Also, guys who are upping their employment don't do this type of thing much either for fear of the backlash. I would never post a guy's real info on the net for a NCNS, but handles are certainly fair game. Afterall, it is how we ladies protect each other from time wasting dipshits who make a habit of such things. Another way is to require a deposit for all dates above 2 hours... I would never reserve that amount of time without one.  

Providers are not exempt from the bs, either... I know many who make a habit of always being late, not showing up, not calling to inform a guy of their issues, etc. so not always the guys. The bottom line is, it is not one's problem to protect you are your money, except for you. If you can't minimize the amount of times this is happening to you, something is very wrong. I can't recall the last time I had a NCNS from a reputable gent. I get cancelations just like the next person, but not flat out NCNS with absolutely no explanation.

Posted By: London Rayne
the guys who have a history of being well respected with a ton of reviews do not want that crap on their handles, so they don't do it without a very good reason such as an emergency. Also, guys who are upping their employment don't do this type of thing much either for fear of the backlash. I would never post a guy's real info on the net for a NCNS, but handles are certainly fair game. Afterall, it is how we ladies protect each other from time wasting dipshits who make a habit of such things. Another way is to require a deposit for all dates above 2 hours... I would never reserve that amount of time without one.  
   
 Providers are not exempt from the bs, either... I know many who make a habit of always being late, not showing up, not calling to inform a guy of their issues, etc. so not always the guys. The bottom line is, it is not one's problem to protect you are your money, except for you. If you can't minimize the amount of times this is happening to you, something is very wrong. I can't recall the last time I had a NCNS from a reputable gent. I get cancelations just like the next person, but not flat out NCNS with absolutely no explanation.

In which city are clients more likely to ncns, Madison or Milwaukee?
We in Madison seem to be starved for verified providers while Milwaukee seems to have too many

I have been in Madison several times this year. Went great the first 2 times. Last 2 times not so much.... So I just do Milwaukee now. Milwaukee is great to me. I wouldn't say "NCNS" but there is a lot of haggling going on and rudeness. I don't get much NCNSs. Hagglers and time wasters. (That is more of what I meant on my first post). I am very glad that I treat guys well and therefore have a lot of regulars.  

The whole state is starved for gals. There are several great gals but that's what... maybe 8? maybe 10?  Vixen, Becca, Tori, NaughtyNikki, Summer, myself... to name a few off the top of my head. I know I forgot a few.

I personally asked a good 20 gals to come into WI (9's, 10's experience)  and there was a lot of haggling going on. I even talked the June TER gal of the month, Alexandra Kole, into town. I always suggest Milwaukee because it is busier.

In a month, London Rayne will be coming to town and I REALLY hope you guys give her a nice welcoming. If you don't know who she is, search on the General Discussion Board. She is an amazing woman and I think very highly of her.  

The local board is dead. I have tried in the past to get it going several times. I gave up and now I just post on the GD, Newbie, and Atlanta boards ( a lot lol ). I enjoy interacting and discussing vs ISO posts. I would love if I could do that on this board and we all could enjoy some laughs in the process but it isn't going to happen. I have tried on and off for 7 years and it gets boring when noone else wants to respond.

Posted By: john20002
In which city are clients more likely to ncns, Madison or Milwaukee?  
 We in Madison seem to be starved for verified providers while Milwaukee seems to have too many.  
 

JoeB435 reads

You have guys who are used to getting ripped off by low class girls. Guys, especially in some areas, get to be very skittish because of continual busts in the news. This leads to a lot of no shows. Add in that many of the guys are seeing ads and find out that for x$ extra (as little as 50) some BP girl will BBFS w/ CIP even though it's not bright, and they'll go fill her up. I've had some seriously attractive girls viciously undercut each other, more than a few offered no cover for a small tip to try and get the business. I'll be honest, this isn't a Wisconsin thing because I've seen it repeated in Chicago, LA, NY, and SFO.

Guys have gotten rude because, quite literally, it's become more of a buyers market. The BP girls might be more trouble than they're worth 99 out of 100 time IMHO, but they are so desperate for clients it's not funny. I know of three friends who can tell you about girls who went from safe to very (very) unsafe to try and get / keep business. You want to know who your competition is? Let me tell you, it's those girls. They are training the guys to demand unsafe practices, to be rude about what they want. So what? You don't offer bare X, Y, or Z? You don't speak Greek? This other pretty young thing here does. I know one guy that pretty much tells girls he's looking for X and he has no problems finding it when he looks. He's not necessarily rude, but he is demanding. You don't do BBBJCIM he's not seeing you, he hasn't fallen for the BBFS cookie yet. I told him that was even less intelligent than picking up the local bar girls that open for a new guy every week and so far (well, he says anyway) he hasn't done anything that stupid.

Yeah, I know they're dumb. It's bad enough in my mind when the protection fails, but to actively not use it? Dumb. Apparently there's a surplus of young and dumb girls waiting to be filled up.

OldCodger552 reads

While I don't know how many WI providers and mongers fit your description, JoeB, I suspect it is a fairly high percentage.  And that's too bad - for both.
FYI, we're not ALL like that!!!

I agree with both of you. The way things are has changed from a few years ago. It is not just WI either. I was shocked at how many hookers (because they are not ladies) post on BP for as little as 40$!!! Guys have become use to it and are use to being ripped off, as well. Just a sad state of how things have changed. I still won't change.

Don't ever get me wrong about my post, there IS some great guys in WI. I know some visiting ladies who had mixed results.

Posted By: OldCodger
While I don't know how many WI providers and mongers fit your description, JoeB, I suspect it is a fairly high percentage.  And that's too bad - for both.  
 FYI, we're not ALL like that!!!

Well maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones because I have never ever ever had to deal with such craziness. Every single gentleman and lady I have ever seen has gone above and beyond to treat me well. I consistently hear these crazy stories and it makes me sad. This is business yes, but it is a business that should be fun and exciting and not treated as a "job". I have met women who charge peanuts compared to what most reputable providers charge and they were wonderful and beautiful women who are just supporting a family and don't really understand their worth or don't really know how to operate such a business. So they do what they think they should be doing in order to obtain repeat clientele.  Everyone who first enters this lifestyle is naive to some degree in the beginning whether you are a client or a provider. It's all a learning process just like anything you do in life. Some of us learn faster than others and some never learn or just don't care to learn. Yes there is obviously good and bad clients and providers yet  We are all entitled to respect and mutual admiration no matter what  "mistakes" we make in life. Every lady and gent has their own reasons for why they enter or leave the hobby, we are nobody to judge. I know there is aspects to this business that aren't so delightful, but I can't say I've ever witnessed them first hand. I wish much luck to all you ladies and gents of this lifestyle. There is so much fun to be had in this business so don't let any past bad experiences stop you from enjoying your life. Learn from them and things will be great!

Posted By: AlexandraMilw
I agree with both of you. The way things are has changed from a few years ago. It is not just WI either. I was shocked at how many hookers (because they are not ladies) post on BP for as little as40$!!! Guys have become use to it and are use to being ripped off, as well. Just a sad state of how things have changed. I still won't change.  
   
 Don't ever get me wrong about my post, there IS some great guys in WI. I know some visiting ladies who had mixed results.  
   
Posted By: OldCodger
While I don't know how many WI providers and mongers fit your description, JoeB, I suspect it is a fairly high percentage.  And that's too bad - for both.  
  FYI, we're not ALL like that!!!

mfg101389 reads

This has been interesting and informative to read. Thanks everyone for sharing thoughts
 
. This hobby is a "people oriented" hobby. And as with all other interactions with people, seems like 10% just feel the need to muck it up for the rest. On either side it's important to demand and give respect. Accept no less.  

I'm still waiting for my first date, but I'm trying to learn as much as I can reading these posts.

I was speaking about the ones who call and I do not see.

The ones I have agreed to see are very nice. I do not agree to just meet anyone. I am sure you have had your email/phone blow up with requests and chose not to see them for various reasons and/or bad behavior. That is very common for us all.

I was not speaking about guys I have met. I have had nothing but fun with those I have met. I was speaking about the ones who I DNS. I haven't had a bad experience with those I have met.

 

Posted By: sexyvixen88
 
 Well maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones because I have never ever ever had to deal with such craziness. Every single gentleman and lady I have ever seen has gone above and beyond to treat me well. I consistently hear these crazy stories and it makes me sad. This is business yes, but it is a business that should be fun and exciting and not treated as a "job". I have met women who charge peanuts compared to what most reputable providers charge and they were wonderful and beautiful women who are just supporting a family and don't really understand their worth or don't really know how to operate such a business. So they do what they think they should be doing in order to obtain repeat clientele.  Everyone who first enters this lifestyle is naive to some degree in the beginning whether you are a client or a provider. It's all a learning process just like anything you do in life. Some of us learn faster than others and some never learn or just don't care to learn. Yes there is obviously good and bad clients and providers yet  We are all entitled to respect and mutual admiration no matter what  "mistakes" we make in life. Every lady and gent has their own reasons for why they enter or leave the hobby, we are nobody to judge. I know there is aspects to this business that aren't so delightful, but I can't say I've ever witnessed them first hand. I wish much luck to all you ladies and gents of this lifestyle. There is so much fun to be had in this business so don't let any past bad experiences stop you from enjoying your life. Learn from them and things will be great!  
   
Posted By: AlexandraMilw
I agree with both of you. The way things are has changed from a few years ago. It is not just WI either. I was shocked at how many hookers (because they are not ladies) post on BP for as little as40$!!! Guys have become use to it and are use to being ripped off, as well. Just a sad state of how things have changed. I still won't change.  
     
  Don't ever get me wrong about my post, there IS some great guys in WI. I know some visiting ladies who had mixed results.  
     
Posted By: OldCodger
While I don't know how many WI providers and mongers fit your description, JoeB, I suspect it is a fairly high percentage.  And that's too bad - for both.    
   FYI, we're not ALL like that!!!
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Actually Alexandra I have been lucky to not have to deal with people I can't or won't see. Almost everyone that contacts me can be screened easily and are very pleasant.  I guess you could just call it luck. The hobby has been amazing to me. I don't understand why any client or potential client would ever contact a girl and give them a hard time. That's just immature.

because my regulars keep me busy. I only do that when I know a lady is legit and nice.

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I think this is part of the problem, but this is more-so with the gents who aren't seeing reviewed gals. The gents who see strictly BP gals (those ladies who don't advertise anywhere else), tend to stick with those gals...and those who see the reviewed gals, tend to stick with those ladies. Of course, there are gents who dabble back and forth from time to time...which the "ladies" offering those extra services, to tend to set the precedent in the market for those activities, and as you stated, then the gents begin to expect it from everyone...and the one's who don't are affected. I know when I first started, the NCNS rate in Madison was quite high, but over the years, and with the addition of requiring references and adding myself to more sites, that rate is almost non-existent now. But, I do speak to other ladies from time-to-time who have just started in the hobby, and their NCNS rate is close to 3 out of ever 5 guys will not show up (these are all BP calls). I think many of the guys call many numbers, haggle, and go with the best price they can find...some even call more than one gal, and whoever shows up first, is who they see, and stop answering their phone for the others.  

But, I think there are still plenty of gents that do not seek out these activities, and know that although it may feel better, that the repercussions and consequences of such activities are too high.  

Posted By: JoeB
You have guys who are used to getting ripped off by low class girls. Guys, especially in some areas, get to be very skittish because of continual busts in the news. This leads to a lot of no shows. Add in that many of the guys are seeing ads and find out that for x$ extra (as little as 50) some BP girl will BBFS w/ CIP even though it's not bright, and they'll go fill her up. I've had some seriously attractive girls viciously undercut each other, more than a few offered no cover for a small tip to try and get the business. I'll be honest, this isn't a Wisconsin thing because I've seen it repeated in Chicago, LA, NY, and SFO.  
   
 Guys have gotten rude because, quite literally, it's become more of a buyers market. The BP girls might be more trouble than they're worth 99 out of 100 time IMHO, but they are so desperate for clients it's not funny. I know of three friends who can tell you about girls who went from safe to very (very) unsafe to try and get / keep business. You want to know who your competition is? Let me tell you, it's those girls. They are training the guys to demand unsafe practices, to be rude about what they want. So what? You don't offer bare X, Y, or Z? You don't speak Greek? This other pretty young thing here does. I know one guy that pretty much tells girls he's looking for X and he has no problems finding it when he looks. He's not necessarily rude, but he is demanding. You don't do BBBJCIM he's not seeing you, he hasn't fallen for the BBFS cookie yet. I told him that was even less intelligent than picking up the local bar girls that open for a new guy every week and so far (well, he says anyway) he hasn't done anything that stupid.  
   
 Yeah, I know they're dumb. It's bad enough in my mind when the protection fails, but to actively not use it? Dumb. Apparently there's a surplus of young and dumb girls waiting to be filled up.

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