other posts here. Where are all the guys with the big balls? Also, would you give Dogbone a public chance at rebuttal?
Sure, but I also expect my mailbox will be full by tomorrow as others have the courage to come forward.
It makes me laugh to think about how much b/c I see that is not meant for my eyes. Doesn't anybody think with their big head anymore?
The guy I really want to hear from is Art. (I'll have his full name shortly for the ladies.) Art is a real tough guy when he is alone in a room with traveling indies.
Ladies...work together, verify and check photo IDs.
thirsty
When you first hear from Dogbone in a PM you think wow "A legend"....I look back at my emails from him and he built a rapport and then started asking more and more detailed questions....he deserves no rebuttal!
I feel embarrassed that I have posts defending this Ahole...I did not know what GFE+++ referred to. I think about the girls that he said he saw and I wonder... I think about the the emails when he asked how my time with a particular girl went and I wonder... I truly hope I did not have a part in sending him in the direction of a girl that he hurt.
Dogbone is a sick man...he is putting his own "pleasure" ahead of the health and well being of the girls he's seeing...the fact that others find this new directin of the "Hobby" a thrill is scary.
To any provider that I saw and gave a review that caught the eye of Dogbone I apologize!
It appears that Thirsty and at least one Agency has taken steps to stop Dogbone and men like him. I hope all of you reading this will look through your Emails and PMs as I have and seek out that GFE+++ and Ultra GFE reference and pass the info on to Thirsty....
Landman
Dogbone AKA Spanky 500 was banned from the other site for inflamatory e-mails and lies about providers. He resurfaced on TER as Dogbone telling people he was cleaning up his act..another LIE. I sat by idly as some providers were telling me that Dogbone was creating ficticious reviews of providers so that he could get free membership.I know that for a FACT.
I also know that the Bella Donna offers big discounts to a few TER members in exchange for favorable reviews.That is also a FACT. I know Bella Donna is a good agency but come on guys the way Dogbone was reviewing a Bella Donna girl every week as a 10 bells should have been going offs ..
We have NEVER, EVER given ANYONE a discount for a favorable review. EVER! Feel free to ask anyone who has ever reviewed any of our ladies!
Not in lue of a review, post, mini review, or anything else. I ask them not to behave in any other fashion than they normally would. Good or bad, we need to hear about the experience to decide if we want to develop a relationship working with the lady.
I feel this does the rest of the hobbyists a great service to ensure nothing short of quality appointment. We do have clients that see the new ladies, at a discount, for feedback to us. PERIOD!
To accuse me of handing out discounts, to get a favorable review, is ridiculous! Do I really have to give a discount for someone to see Morgan who has numerous pages of great reviews? Izabella? Karoleena? Etc...
If I was giving away that much money, I would not be in business very long!
Do our VIP's get discounts, yes! Do our clients, who take the risk of spending their money on a new girl, to “take one for the team” get consideration, yes! Is it a condition or a requirement that they do a favorable review, NEVER! This is business 101, not some conspiracy to flood TER with false or misleading reviews, or “buy” a review. If you have quality ladies that you are working with, you don’t have to!
Sorry sir, but you are WAY off on that accusation!
D
-- Modified on 7/6/2005 8:12:53 PM
I don't know what TBD does as I don't know them BUT in there defense,
I also offer a $10 discount for a review as well, but also I ask that the guys NOT write anything biased or false.
Call me masochistic, but I WANT to know if I did anything wrong or badly.
I prefer to know the ABSOLUTE truth, as that is the only way to provide an increasingly better service.
There is a difference between offering a discount for a good or biased review and offering a discount for an unbiased review.
Like i said, I don't know TBD but they have a great reputation round these parts, and i can't see them risking that reputation for a review
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-- Modified on 7/7/2005 7:08:19 AM
but if you've got something to say, put it out for all of us to see and do so in your username.
thirsty
and miss all the good stuff!!!
In defense of TBD, every experience I have had with them has been terrific. They run a class act, and it's hard to believe they would risk their credibility.
How is your attack on The Bella Donna relevant to the topic at hand? These ladies have pages upon pages of positive reviews; D doesn't need to buy them. Dogbone, aside from his rather foolish and deadly proclivities, seems to have a bottomless wallet and likes to spend his money on beautiful women. That aspect of his hobbying activities has nothing to do with this thread. He's got close to 60 reviews posted from MANY agencies and independents. Singling out a particular agency's name here for no reason other than an apparent personal vendetta is extremely bad form.
for same reason as above post
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oy... guy ya gotta lay off that stuff your doing!!... lol... but really stay to the topic...
and btw I've seen several Bella Donna Ladies and NON have every even discuss a review, it was Never brought up... you need review your "Facts" as you say... 
zatara
More power to you. Thanks
This past winter I actually saw a woman that dogbone recommended...she provided a very nice service but literally tried to pull me into her uncovered. I put the brakes on immediately and put a condom to use. I was pretty shocked but , maybe I'm a bit naive. I actually posted a mini review and submitted a review (that was rejected due to the nature of the revolving eros ad) and made mention of the fact that she would allow if not encourage BBFS. I thought that I was saying a good thing about a provider but also warning guys to be safe. Perhaps my post had the opposite effect and sent low lifes out to see her. In any event, with Thirsty's post it all clicks now...dogbone recommended her, I saw her and BBFS was certainly on the menu...unbelievable how stupid people are. This is the type of thing that makes you take a step back and ask yourself if this "hobby" is actually worth it for the guys involved and the ladies who give so much. I've commended Thirsty for allowing the clinic ad a few months back and I do so again for bringing this to light.
Dogbone and his cronies really are a discredit to the fine people I've met through this site. Again, maybe I'm naive but I find this to be quite disturbing. I've heard of "bug chasers" in the context of the homosexual community and this really is no different. I think it speaks to a distorted psyche and delusions of one's self worth.
I truly hope that no one has become sick through this heightened unsafe behavior.
I agree.........this is very disturbing and I too commend Thirsty for bringing this to light. As a provider I believe in safety and anyone who has seen me knows that. I just cant believe people would actually indulge in this sort of unsafe behavior in this day and age of aids......scary! Again.......Thank you Thirsty! Your a sweeeeeeeetie! 
Lisa of Boston
there are a lot of practices that use to be unacceptable that have been forced into the norm of today. All risky..and it's not Aids that should be the greatest concern.. simply look at the past archives of TER polls on the questions from readers on whether they have had an STD...the numbers are staggering! Perhaps it's time to rethink the acronyms and start thinking with the big heads vs the little ones. Kudos to Thirsty for this post in regards to one's bad behavior...many of us deal with the ridiculous requests all too often. In a room one on one, think of the young provider who may not have been strong enough to say "no" and not fear physical retribution...it's rare that woman would Seek that out. The term "GFE++" makes me sick to my stomach..let's call it what it really is...Stupid Unprotected sex. remember the days when BBBJ's were considered risky due to their HPV and Herpes risk? It was only time before the pressure from jerks like that came to light on this subject.
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was extremely helpful to me. Yeah he has a very positive side too. I gave him nothing but deference for a long time. I guess he quietly and behind the scenes was searching for BBFS. We all have our foibles, it’s just this one is not acceptable. At first, I had no idea that there was an underlying motive to his helpfulness. I just thought he was sincerely trying to help hobbyists and newbies. Such a shame he has this need to go BB and perhaps harm us all.
I understand the desire for BB, I’m a child of the 70’s. We never used protection for anything other than birth control and back then, almost all ladies used the pill. It wasn’t until the 80’s and the ascent of HIV and AIDS (and the nasty side effects of some of the pills) that “safe” practices became prevalent.
Anyone who practices unprotected sex with basically unknown partners (that would be any partner who plays the field) is just stupid. Good job Thirsty for exposing the ring leader.
I have to say that when I first started lurking and then participating on this board that DB seemed like an icon. Lots of reviews and seemingly the hobbyist’s hobbyist. In fact when I was trying to locate a lady who had recently left a now defunct agency it was DB who kindly directed me to her by providing her email to me. Later came an innocent PM asking how it went, which at the time seemed like a sincere concern of a hobby icon. After my reply I received "the question." "Did so and so offer BBFS." (how naive I was, I had to go to the beginners board or some such thing to look it up just to be sure what he was asking) My response was, no and if it was I wouldn’t partake.
Months passed and I just let it go, although I did tell the lady about DB’s query. Wouldn’t you know, he asked me again about the same lady. So yes, DB seeks BBFS and works independents and visitors for discounts in trade for a positive review. Does that mean his reviews are all bogus? No, I don’t think so. Does that mean his reviews are misleading? No probably not. Does that make him a shill? Actually no, quite the opposite, especially if he coerces the free or discounted appointment with a threat of a bad review. (of which I have no proof). Does it make him stupid? YMMV on that opinion. But, does his bold search for BBFS and providers make him foolish? YES AND IT POSES A DANGER TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, MAN AND WOMAN ALIKE!
In fact, all women who have played, whoops where’d the condom go with DB should immediately be tested for the full spectrum of STDs. When a lady told me the story that while during the K9 the umbrella disappeared (and she feared it was lost internally by the way) I went and got tested myself. And we used protection! If you aren’t safe with your partner, you endanger us all. If one person gets ill, that’s deadly assault, if one person dies, that’s murder.
My only questions to the ladies is will you trust anyone anymore?
God I hope so.
Great job Thirsty and whomever helped you!
Keep it safe.
capedude
Thirsty, thanks for the VERY important insight into a Very scary scenerio. Boston has many great Ladies and the ones I have had a chance to meet have always been safety first. My concern however is shoouldnt we know for our sake which providers are known to offer this type of service? I know I for one would imeadiatley remove them from a favorites list. Do you feel we have a right to know? It only takes one in this type of hobby to spoik the bunch. Good job Thirsty keep up the good work.
Interesting point. I raised this issue because I'm hearing from providers who have been pressured to provide BBFS. These ladies are so upset by the pressure that I'm convinced they are not giving in. If they were providing BBFS, why would they be calling my attention to the issue. Having said that, some ladies are offering BBFS either willingly or because of the coercion. I don't think they are going to admit that to me though and I don't think any of the guys in the BBFS group are going to volunteer the information.
thirsty
Exposure will only be used as another form of coercion. Perfectly safe gals might be exposed, by ugly rumor. Leave the ladies out of this. Don't listen to such rumors unless it's verified by a trusted source. Don't convict until you know for sure.
That kind of knowledge is one of the tools used by the "gang of bare backers."
As CD wrote, this is one of the technigues that the barebackers use in order to pressure visitors.
thirsty
i see this as a high stakes trade off of endangering someone's livelihood vs endangering someone's life. how do we strike the balance of minimizing the unfair accusation that a provider uses bbfs vs not exposing those that do and exposing the unsuspecting hobbyist to std? why cave in to the threat of bad behavior? i think we can develop a number of tactics to ensure that perfectly safe gals can keep their well deserved reputations intact. someone mentioned that there are providers who initiated bbfs. shouldnt that be exposed? make it so the hobbyist is revealed (TER name) as well. have thirsty moderate bbfs rumors so that no alias' are used. truly safe gals can come back as a different name. i'm sure collectively we can come up with many more ideas. i think to automatically give up on exposure without fully vetting the issue weakens our community's ability to eliminate this behavior.
BBFS probably already has a deadly disease like HIV.
in the summer of 2004. Only, he never would tell me his real name to confirm that and never did write the review he said he would. I don't ask, he had offered. I know there was no unprotected sex. That's never an option but looking back at all of what occurred now makes me wonder if I ever saw him at all. I sure hope not. But, I just got tested again two weeks ago and am regularly so no worries. Thanks thirsty for having the guts to bring this to the light. Hopefully, the rest of the idiots who pressure us for this service will stop. And to those of you, I used GFE++ a couple of times in a post because I understood that it meant the GFE with the PSE twist. NOT BBFS. Yikes! My apologies.
Anneke
It had nothing to do with BBFS. It meant I had a really, really, really, great time (and probably a very messy BBBJ)
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As I wrote on one of the threads, I pay close attention to who posts under them. Do a search on the different boards. You'll find it interesting.
thirsty
thirsty can you tell us the address of the yahoo group or b/c it to us?
both as a public health measure, and as a potential deterrent, I think we should vote on this Board as to whether there should be an offenders list. Both Gents and providers. This is a much more serious problem than "ripoffs" and we have a "ripoff" warning. And I know "getting busted" for any infraction is enough to set most TER folks worryin'.....to whit, the Falmouth bust and all the posts. I think there should be a general vote of ther membership about an "OUTING" list for the BBFS folks. Opinions ???????
Vicki, I don't know the address of the Yahoo group. I certainly would get the word out if I did.
ladocque, TER won't let you post a list here but what you do b/c is your business. Just remember, one of the lessons hearned here is there is no such thing as secure back channel. If you write something down, you have no control who will eventually read it.
thirsty
Last week, on the Washington Board, there was a thread by an agency called Utra GFE and the terms GFE and GFE++++ were used by dcmann.
I posted a question to him (pasted bellow):
"dcmann...I have two questions
Posted by betty_snj , 7/1/2005 3:44:34 PM [See my TER reviews]
Inquiring mind here.
I know the meaning of GFE...but what GFE+++ involves? what is offered to make it +++?
Also, what is a "gentle greek"? Far as I know greek goes only ONE way and is far from "gentle"...lol"
And he replied like this (pasted bellow):
"Posted by dcmann , 7/1/2005 4:02:15 PM [Go to dcmann's 77 reviews]
Hello! I hope I can help you?
We are blessed in DC with an exceptional moderator, and in Jan 2005, he posted the following GFE scale to help us out here on the DC Board?
...
GFE= DFK, DATY, and BBBJ!
GFE+ = all the above plus BBBJTC!
GFE++ = all the above plus CIM!
GFE+++ = all the above plus NQNS!
GFE++++ = all the above plus Greek!
...
As you can imagine, his scale has helped us out quite a bit here!
...
As for your question re: gentle Greek?
Greek, IMHO, can range along a continuum between tender and gentle, and quite rough... 
However, I am concerned not to take advantage of our moderator's openness on this public board, so I will TER e-mail you a bit more detail on your excellent question?
I do hope you enjoy your 4th of July weekend!
dc!"
Now...I read here that GFE++++ means BBFS...so what is the correct way to view this information? I'm totally confused
That's an interesting scale and I'm sure most DC hobbyists follow it.
Ultimately, any provider or hobbyist can define these terms as they like. Afterall, more than a few providers label themselves GFE while their reviews suggest otherwise.
I am hearing that the terms ultraGFE and GFE+++ are used by the BBFS group in reviews to alert others in the group that they were successful.
thirsty
Betty, you're confused? This alphabet soup of acronyms has me completely baffled! Makes me want to just go back to plain old missionary and leave it at that, the rest is too complicated!
could result. In fact, it may give more leverage to the hobbyist you are trying to blacklist.
McCarthy thought he was doing the right thing! To the extent that Thirsty has evidence, he can ban a person from the board, but it should be used w/ great care. Thirsty had copy of PM, plus providers word. I think to extend it beyond the individuals you are certain of would be dangerous. Again the threat to the Providers could potentially increase in terms of threats & accusations. MHO.
I have been offered UltraGFE service twice in the last few months, and rejected it and once about a year ago. I will trade info on PM with anyone who is a regular poster and who has similar experience to share.
Let's face it--BBFS in the Hobby is NOT at all like the ritual dancing around this issue when you first begin dating somebody in the "real" world. I'm single and have had that "who have you been with and when" question arise many times. Providers and Hobbyists alike should ALL think back to our private post-coital discussions. "Who do you know..who have you seen, what was he/she like etc." Let's face it--in the Hobby and in the Boston community (like all others) we are ALL sleeping with each other! On either side of the aisle--BBFS puts us all at risk. Thirsty--thanks for exposing this issue. We all owe you that.
That's an excellent point. Do you fellas out there feel any safer if you BB sex with a girlfriend that you met just recently. The fact that she's not a provider doesn't really mean she's safe.
From the TER poll archive:
HAVE YOU EVER HAD BARE BACK FULL SERVICE FROM A PROVIDER?
43% Yes
56% No
That's a lot of yes votes.
The Dogbones of the world will not go away and will return under new names, the terms GFE+++ and Ultra GFE will be changed...to create new code words...the key to exposing the folks here that are practicing this dangerous perversion of the "Hobby" is to forward any back channel communication that you think is suspect, to Thirsty. He can gather the eveidence, compare the names, consider the sources and as moderator ban those people that should be banned.
Regarding UltraGFE and GFE+++...type those terms into the search section of the different boards...note the names of the authors and look at their reviews...some reviews brag about BBFS...that's right! While not perfect, this method will give you some insight into the scope and number of people involved.
For those of you that were enamored by a particular lady and loved to put the plus signs after GFE your reviews stand out and everyone will know you had a great time and were VERY happy
Thank you again Thirsty for bringing this to light.
Landman
thank you thirsty and those that have come forward in bringing this into the light... it is a Very Scary thing...
thx again,
zatara
Interesting how many of you consider Mr. Dogbone's action a " perversion of the hobby". Isn't the hobby itself a perversion and has it's risk, regardless of whether it's BBFS or not ? I am not defending the action of Mr. Dogbone but I find it interesting that the ones who condemned him see themselves as righteous.
Who are you to judge him or his actions ?
Just my 2 cents.
I'm not sure I would ever consider "the Hobby" a perversion, at least with my understanding of the word. But I do like the connotation of the word "hobby". And yes hobbies can be risky, and many are, but it seems to me that risk and the danger are fairly visible and you make your decision with the help of clues. With STD, many symptoms are not visible until much later making it much harder to see the risk. But my biggest disgust with these men is the coercive nature they used. Power pigs using dollars to make their dicks bigger. Hope they die. Soirry got carried away
In this matter, righteousness is to pontificate a view that is generally based on either faith or beliefs. Irresponsibility is to act in a manner that defies facts.
I don't see the "hobby" as perverted, that's a subjective statement from you not an objective statement for the many. Nor do I see DB's alleged acts as perverted, if true, however, they are very, no make that extremely irresponsible. It may never have occurred to those who seek and participate in the practice of BBFS that they are not just endangering themselves and not just endangering the ladies they see, they are endangering all of us.
Just my nickel (and no it isn't wooden).
