Dear karmaexpress,
As we have concluded on this board so many times, sexuality is a many-splendored thing. The topic of "trannie-lovers" is an interesting one; just recently, Cathy Reback, PhD, came out with an in-depth study of some such individuals here in Los Angeles.
It appears that for many, it is clearly NOT a "homosexual experience." It is one of novelty, phantasy and preference. Having sex with someone who, in the eyes of the beholder, looks like a woman but has a penis, could be very exciting.
Having sex with a post-op transsexual is very much like having sex with a female-born female, particularly if the gender-confirming surgery was done well and the patient was able to obtain excellent vaginal depth, about 6 inches or so.
One this is absolutely certain: the gay community has zero to do with the transsexual community, other than both have been, and continue to be, members of marginalized groups. A gay male is MALE. He has no intention to become a woman. Even someone like RuPaul, a very public drag queen is just that - a drag performer who has no intention of obtaining a vagina, a female identity and living as a female. Please do not confuse such a male with someone who has a brain syndrome signaling discomfort with the male gender.
Your problem in this case, karmaexpress, is that you confuse gender with sexual orientation. You are not alone in this case Many people have not made the separation in their minds, simply because they just assume that if you want to be female, you must be gay.
Far from it: fully one third of all men who transition and become female are lesbians. I have seen it imy practice, and other practitioners confirm it as well. This means, that even after they transition, they still prefer women sexually. I have also encountered women who transition and become males - gay males.
Hence, gender identity has nothing to do with sexual orientation. As to those who love to fellate a preop transsexual female, well, there are a variety of issues that come into play. This still doesn't mean that such individuals are homosexual. If they were, they would prefer fellating someone who looks 100% male.
Just like there are bi-gendered individuals in this world, there are also bi-sexual people. But those who love women with penises are in a category of their own. As to your being unsure about having sex with a potentially previous male, it's all about how you view masculinity and femininity. If it's in the chromosomes, then yes, that can't be changed. But just for you to know, there are women out there who look 100% female and who have a Y chromosome. Testicular feminization. I can think of a very famous actress and a now-deceased former Persian Empress who suffered from this condition. These women cannot give birth and they have to take medications for their condition. And yes, post-op transsexuals may have lived part of their lives as "unoperated males." But if they look extremely female, chances are that their experience as males was a very strange one, and that clearly, they were intended to be female from the start.
We have found brain differences in transsexuals vs non-transsexual males. What we haven't found, is what goes awry in the process of gestation. I think you'll need to clearly separate transsexualism from homosexuality, because they are truly apples and oranges.
As for that "100,000 years of being weirded out," I don't think it's going to disappear any time soon. Heterosexual males are hardwired to shrink from same-sex attraction. Study after study confirms this. Women, on the other hand, are not so extreme in their orientation. A recent study exposed heterosexual males and females to a variety of pornographic films, depicting male-male, girl-girl and male-female interaction. Results showed that the male study subjects had zero arousal when viewing the male-male material, whereas the female subjects were equally aroused by all the possible combinations. The researchers then took this to mean that females are more fluid in their ability to be aroused by same gender sex.
As to Cathy Reback's study, the men interviewed clearly stated that they were not "homosexual" in the least, but that "chicks with dicks" held a special appeal. It's probably best to accept that there is someone for everyone and that as long as no one gets hurt or abused and participates willingly, it's good that we have such variety in this world.
I continue to be amazed,
the Love Goddess
where nothing sorts us into groups and we are free to pursue whatever type of relationships we want based on nothing more than our mutual feelings?
Fantastic response by the wonderul LG, as per usual.
My immaturity aside, I had an unusual snippet of a dream this morning. In the dream I and 2 very cute females appear to be orphans, or somehow related, living under the same roof. We were in our mid to late teens, and the scene was me being in their room. Evidently it was time for some sexual exploration. There was a vibrating, flesh colored penis on the nightstand. One of the hotties begins to undress, and low and behold she's sporting an erect penis. And this penis is bigger than mine!! I'm shocked, but not in a prurient judgement, but in a fascinated acceptance. Both girls want me to suck on this "Hotties" cock. I'm hesitant and stall by asking questions about her being a Hermaphrodite. Thank Goodness I'm still thinking about pussy in this dream. Is so much of my identity tied to worshipping "Pussy"? Anyways, she shows me where her vagina is on the side, next to her erection. She explains it's not accessable while she has an erection. I know this is not how Hermaphrodites function, but in the dream, well...whatever. It reminded me of something out of a "Cronenberg" film. To sum things up, before I can get to even comtemplate the wishes of these Hotties, Colin Powell enters the room(the bastard lied to the U.N.). Apparantly Colin is our parental guardian. He gives us a lecture on how dissappointed he is in us. I'm not sure if he knew about or noticed the hottie's erection. I quickly pull up my pants, somehow they ended up around my ankles, and palm the vibrating penis off the nightstand. I don't know if it was mine or if I was being chivalrous(Camelot!) and protecting the hotties from the "Powell Discipline". I end up returning to my room, closing the door, and waiting for a few minutes. I crack open the door and can see Colin's shadow guarding the girls room. Since there will not be any further explorations(I think I was relieved), I end up going to bed, thinking how I've got plenty of money......I wake up at this point.
Now I honestly do not know if I was going to fellate the hottie before Colin rescued me.
This dream has to be related to the previous post, don't you think? I mean when I read the following Zen Koan, "She loves to have her cock sucked and throughly enjoyed having it stuck deep down my throat." I experienced one of those altered, expanded consciousness moments. That line so knocked me out of my boundaries. I felt, and still feel, like a voyeristic scientist observing an alien sexual encounter. Back of Beyond, dude, Back of Beyond.
My adolescent snarkiness aside, isn't it fascinating how something so innocuous can set the psyche off into existential la-la land?
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The Messiah has arrived. You have been chosen.
All hail Karmaexpress
Although being the Messiah of Pussy sounds tempting....
Let's see an endless parade of hot, wet, juicy pussies needing to be serviced throughout eternity....
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I'm still traumatized and shaking/quaking like a little bunny rabbit. And mentioning "Colin's Penis" is really running up my phone bill; 976-PussyObsessionAnonymous.com
Just kidding.
Your "LOL" was priceless and gives me a warm fuzzy in a good place.
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when the young hottie has a bigger dick than you. LOL.
Since this thread seems to have gotten off topic I'll try to offer a serious answer to the original question, for what it's worth. And I will assume the people reading this have somewhat open minds. 
I am a ts provider so perhaps my perspective will be helpfull. Karmaexpress has some valid yet complicated questions and Love Goddess gave some excellent answers. Thank you.
The answers regarding transgenderism are very fluid and hard to catagorize. But as the visibility of transsexuals increases due to wider public acceptance these issues should be addressed.
I consider myself to be a straight / bisexual / lesbian "boygirl" with a penis. I relate to men as a woman, to women as a man and sometimes as another woman, and to my ts lover as a lesbian.
I was born a male but I live as a woman. I think like a woman. I desire to look like a woman, but I don't pretend to "be" a woman. I am not. I'm a transsexual - part female, part male, a little of both, a little of neither. But I will always be a transsexual. The "third" gender.
I presently have a penis (a pre-op). I will eventually have a sex change and be (post-op) or a ts with a vagina. That is my personal need to fix my body, it is separate from my sexual desires. My sexual preference is to enjoy both men, women and ts's with a fully female body. But I would have the surgery even if it meant living the rest of my life without sex
But on to the question - is a desire to have sex with a ts latent homosexuality? I really don't know. The answer is yes and no and maybe.
If a man has sex with a woman he's straight. With a man he's gay. With both he's "bi." But a ts is neither and both. So what does that make my partners?
My answer is, "you are what you feel you are."
If you are a man who sees me as a woman you are straight, even if you are the receiver in penetrating sex. If a woman sees me as a "sensitive" man with boobs she is straight.
It is hard to quantify and depends on the people involved and how they relate to one another.
POST OP JITTERS - I understand karmaexpress's comment about having sex with a post op. And Love Goddess gave one of the best answers I've ever seen.
But let me ask you this.
If your girlfriend was born with a birth defect and had an unusual growth removed as a baby to enable her to enjoy a normal and productive life, but she never developed internal reproductive organs would you love her any less? Would the sex be any different? What if she never told you, how would you ever know?
So what should it matter if someone was unable to have that operation as a baby because their parents demamded the child conform to their expectations of what they wanted their baby to be.
Why should it make you feel any different toward them if that person had to wait until they were 18, or 38 to have the operation?
They are the same person, just a tiny part of their body is different. And with most post-op ts's, if they don't tell you you will never know.
Anyway I hope this helps people understand us a little better. I love being a transsexual, I like being treated as a girl and I like cleaning house, but I can also build one - which Id' say makes me just about the perfect companion!
PS - most trannies don't like to be called "trannies."
Luv,
TS Jamie
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"In olden days a glimpse of stocking,
Was looked on as something shocking,
Now heaven knows,
Anything goes!"
Although I love women, and REALLY like women's asses (hoo-boy), I have been in some group sex stituations where I put things in my mouth I ordinarily wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole 
(and vice versa). That being said, the idea of a "woman" with a penis can be exciting--hence the use of strap-ons by straight gals on straight guys. There is a sense of the tables being turned, and as more things become less taboo, some folks are always looking for tha new "naughty thrill" you can't get anywhere else.
And if you are at all familiar with Japanese Hentai, you might know about "futanari" or "dick-girls" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick-girl). Take a look at one of those comics: see if you don't get hard eyeballing some of those fantasy situations our Asain brethren have conjured up.
My motto? "Some do, some don't. Some will, some won't. I might.
