but keep in mind that this is a national board not the Atlanta board. thing don't always work the same way they work in Atlanta. I do agree with your advice especially as it pertains to Atlanta, but never say never.
Hi All,
I am entirely new to the hobby, however I have been a member of TER for some time now, faithfully doing my research as has been suggested many a time. I finally worked up the nerve to contact several providers that I was interested in. Several responded and one was very willing to set up an appointment to see me next week. This should be great right? Except this is where my paranoia comes to haunt me. Some pertinent facts (as I can recall them).
- She was very quick to reply and offer to set up an appointment, and relatively soon as well (about a week from my first email).
- We contact back and forth via email only, and only now that I have set up our meeting has she given me a cell phone number to reach her on the day of.
- She has not once asked me for references or some way to verify me.
Those are the facts that make me suspicious. The ones that assuage that are:
- She has been very discreet and has not once mentioned what will happen specifically, nor any donation amount (as I understand it, to prove anything, LE has to negotiate a specific act for a specific price)
- She has agreed to an outcall at a upscale hotel of my choosing, which she will not know of till the day of the meeting (I was going to book a 5-star, as I've heard such establishments are less willing to let LE set up a bust there).
- She has been reviewed 4 times in the last 4 months, each time by a TER member with at least a few other reviews.
- Her first review suggested she was relatively new at this, which may mean she is just as naive as I am.
So as ask you kind fellow hobbyists, is my paranoia justified, or a bit much? How else can I go about protecting myself against being busted or cheated on my first time out?
Thanks in advance for all your advice.
ps: I've left our her name and profile link intentionally as to avoid any privacy concerns.
There is no way to be 100% certain that the "provider" is not a LE. The only certainty in life is death & taxes. However, if you do enough research & reviews, you should be fine most of the time. Personally, I would not consider a provider unless she has at least 6 or 7 reviews. That's my 2 cents. Good luck and be safe.
Hi z,
I think you'e being overly concerned. She's got a few reviews... if they're consistant then that goes a long way.
Sure, a first date always has risks... but not overly.
What you're describing is an "out call". Harder to set up LE action, as they can't bug the room, get room next door, etc. Really LE doesn't know if she's a provider or your mistress (wink-wink).
You're gonna rent the room in the case, she's going to call when she's outside, the reverse of the 2 call system, is all. (If you're paranoid, get a room that looks over the entrance so you can see her arrive.) You'll tell her your room number & she'll come up. Once she's in , lock the d*mn door. It's your room, your home for the night, you have a right to privacy without a maid walking in.
You're going to have the donation in an envolupe on the dresser. Do not point to it or discuss it in any way.
Just be a gentleman, give her a hug, take her coat, offer her a mint or a soda. Have a couple of candles lit, or light them together.
She has more reason to be afraid of you. YOU could be LE or a mugger. You'll both be nervious... just be kind and let things devolupe.
skb
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Zihad, I had over 50 appointments with various providers over the past eight months.
Your story sounded just like mine with the second lady I saw. We both were so new to the business neither of us know what we were doing.
She has since progressed to becoming one of the top providers in Florida and screens very closely. She learned the need to screen after she had a couple bad experiences.
Fortunately for her, neither were LE, but she told me that she now screens more to make sure the guy is a nice guy and she will verify every new client she sees.
Perhaps the lady you are looking at is still new enough she has not learned that lesson.
I think with her reviews and with the experience of the guys reviewing her, she would be one that should be OK.
Good luck and let us know how it goes.
In my opinion, an appointment a week away from your first contact is not soon at all. Many appointments are made within a day or two of the first contact. I've had some same day appointments.
Some ladies don't give out their phone # until after a satisfactory email contact. Not the norm, but not unusual.
Some ladies, even experienced ladies with a good review history, don't screen.
Yes, you are paranoid, but a little paranoia is a lot better than recklessness. You have to make your own decisions, but if it were me, I would see enough comforting facts here to go ahead with it even though I'd prefer to see more reviews and I'd like to see them from reviewers with some review history. You'll never know until you actually go through with it, though.
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a lot of ladies prefer not to give out their cell number until after the screening process is complete and the gent is verified. This is to protect the lady from guys to just want to call at all hours of the night and ask if they can come see them in an hour.
Any lady with 4 reviews frome established reviewers should be (no guarantees) fine. Assuming you have VIP, you could PM a couple of the reviewers if you still have doubts.
To answer your actual question, your paranoia is probably not justified.
LE will not do it that way, they will NOT let you get the room. They have a specific modus operandi they have to use (at least here in Atlanta) in order to give the prosecuting attorney's office the admissible evidence they need to prosecute the case.
They want to get specific when you call, i.e., "what are you lookin for exactly?" This will be audio recorded. "their" room will be audio/video equipped for you when you arrive to meet their lovely female uco. they also want to conduct serveillance on you going into the hotel/motel (and get your tag #).
This does not smell like LE to me, but I would be careful anyway.
GT
I'd say usually safe, but caution and diligence is still needed!!!
Yes, LE usually sting guys via incall. The situation is easier to control, conduct surveillance, and no tricky jurisdiction problems. But I would never say that it couldn't happen!!!
Not really, I did not mean to imply that fellas.
I think outcall is just as dangerous as in call. In fact, there are few times when there is not danger.
What I was trying to convey is that with Atlanta PD they almost always do an in call set up. In Gwinnett they do both, so anytime you get suspicious, it might be prudent to move on.
All this is why I strictly stay with TER and read those reviews.
GT
but keep in mind that this is a national board not the Atlanta board. thing don't always work the same way they work in Atlanta. I do agree with your advice especially as it pertains to Atlanta, but never say never.
I certainly don't want to tacitly encourage anyone to be cavalier about this. LE is always coming up with ingenious schemes that we only find out about the hard way after someone has been popped.
I recall the days when I would go escorting b/f the internet, where escorts were only advertised in the yellow pages. I was a F****** nervous wreck! In fact I was so scared it was not any fun and I was married at the time. Wow, if I had been caught it would have been hell to pay at home.
Point is, you don't have to be that freaked out if you follow the excelent advise posted above by GaGambler.
Have fun, but be always on the alert.
GT
WHERE is this "newbie manual" that I need to read??
On top of the newbie discussion board, there is a link for *** Acronyms,and newbies' Manual ***
Hi All,
Thanks for the great advice and the numerous reassurances. I did end up going through with it and it was great! My first time was wonderful and I thoroughly enjoyed myself.
The one big issue that had been bothering me was the lack of any screening. When the provider and I met, she even brought it up, mentioning that she had made the mistake in failing to screen, having trusted her instinct that I was sincere and new at this.