OK, FWIW, I shared this story on another board, but it is apropos to this thread. When you're young and stupid, you are young and stupid.
I was still 17 (1983), living in the DC area, and called a "Massage / Escort" listing from the Yellow Pages. The place was located just across the border in Maryland and I set an appointment and was quoted $55.00, which was great since I had paid $165.00 for escorts before. So I get there to this old house down this long driveway full of motorcycles and broken down vans, and am shown six women to choose from. I pick this lady that kind of looked like one of my teachers and go into the back room. We're naked and I'm about to get into it when I find out that the $55.00 was not the only fee. She's getting more pissed as I keep searching through my pockets for more money, and blew her cork when I could only come up with $30.00 more. She starts talking about getting the guy outside to come take care of me, and I'm starting to really shake.
Well, I start stammering and apologizing when she grabs my wallet to look inside and sees my driver's license, which shows that I'm only 17. All of the sudden, she's a little teary, and hugs me. She takes the money and then gives me what I still consider one of my top five sexual experiences of all time. Afterward, we're laying there and she tells me that she's honored to have helped me loose my virginity, but that I should find a nice girl to be with who is my age. Even though I was 17, I was still smart enough not to tell her that I had been with about 8 escorts before her and had been getting laid by my girlfriend since 14. I chose life, and let her have her fantasy. I think she would have shanked me right then and there if I hadn't. I still smile when I think of her.
From that one experience, I learned never to assume ANYTHING about the cost of something, and have applied that to everything outside of the hobby too. I owe her for having never been surprised by hidden fees or costs again.
I agree that 18-25 y.o. guys should chase free pussy, and not bother with the hobby. I picked up girls every night at bars/clubs and scored 90% of the time. I also had girlfriends that fucked me. I never paid for it 'til my wife cut me off.
I agree. The *best* option is to hook up with civvie girls for free. But if some guys aren't attractive enough, or aren't pick-up artists, it's beneficial for them to have the hobby available as an option. That way, they can still try going the civvie route, and if it's not working out, there's the hobby as something to fall back on.
OK, FWIW, I shared this story on another board, but it is apropos to this thread. When you're young and stupid, you are young and stupid.
I was still 17 (1983), living in the DC area, and called a "Massage / Escort" listing from the Yellow Pages. The place was located just across the border in Maryland and I set an appointment and was quoted $55.00, which was great since I had paid $165.00 for escorts before. So I get there to this old house down this long driveway full of motorcycles and broken down vans, and am shown six women to choose from. I pick this lady that kind of looked like one of my teachers and go into the back room. We're naked and I'm about to get into it when I find out that the $55.00 was not the only fee. She's getting more pissed as I keep searching through my pockets for more money, and blew her cork when I could only come up with $30.00 more. She starts talking about getting the guy outside to come take care of me, and I'm starting to really shake.
Well, I start stammering and apologizing when she grabs my wallet to look inside and sees my driver's license, which shows that I'm only 17. All of the sudden, she's a little teary, and hugs me. She takes the money and then gives me what I still consider one of my top five sexual experiences of all time. Afterward, we're laying there and she tells me that she's honored to have helped me loose my virginity, but that I should find a nice girl to be with who is my age. Even though I was 17, I was still smart enough not to tell her that I had been with about 8 escorts before her and had been getting laid by my girlfriend since 14. I chose life, and let her have her fantasy. I think she would have shanked me right then and there if I hadn't. I still smile when I think of her.
From that one experience, I learned never to assume ANYTHING about the cost of something, and have applied that to everything outside of the hobby too. I owe her for having never been surprised by hidden fees or costs again.
Unlike the guys you describe, I always followed the rules, paid the fee plus a tip, and stayed very respectful.
Such a shame that so many young guys act like idiots and spoil it for the others, but that's life.
Many times young guys will ask on here how they can go about meeting an escort who will see twenty-somethings. I tell them to write and be mature and sound like a forty-something; then hope for the best.
I am not at all attracted to guys my age or younger (or even slightly older). I find them rude, inconsiderate, and immature (especially the ones who try to convince me they're not). I know not ALL are, but simple fact of the matter is I'm just not interested. That's why I state such on my website. Unfortunately, on the rare occasion one slips through my screening process. (The simple fact that they "overlook" my age requirement should say something right there.) The last time I saw a client around my age, he overstayed by 30 minutes, even though I was trying to get him out the door and he made an absolute mess out of my bathroom.
I'm seeing a lot of bitterness from providers about young clients. It baffles me why a provider in her 20's wouldn't see clients in their 20's. But it's their decision, so oh well.
My word of advice to young hobbyists would be to stick with reputable agencies, not independents. Agency women typically don't have the benefit of rejecting clients based on age, so while it may be viewed as a bad thing, it works out to the hobbyists' advantage. That's how I originally got started in the hobby.
I can understand the gripes you mentioned; they seem reasonable. But you could also see 20-something clients as a lucrative untapped market (many providers refuse to see them). After all, there are young guys out there who were cursed with bad looks, making them undesirable to most civvie girls their age. So friends with benefits and bar pick-ups would be pretty much out of the question for them.
You can use that to your advantage. Barring the crazies you described, think of the profits! Many young guys already have a steady job and not a lot of expenses, so they have disposable income to spend on the hobby.
Ever since I was 17, I dated older men (I'm now 24).
As time went on, I became less and less attracted to younger men. I liked the attention I was getting from the older crowd, so I just went with the flow.
I have no desire to see younger hobbyists. I tried it and the experiences were less than pleasant (as I described).
My natural instinct is to go for an older man. Seeing a younger client would feel wrong. I wouldn't be true to myself if I did.
I am 27, single, and a successful business professional. I have only ever had 1 girlfriend in my late teens/early 20's, I had a FWB a few years after I broke up with my GF, and an escapade with a single mother in her 30's when I was 25. I go a long time between encounters, and it annoys me when my friends whine about not having sex for over a month or two. I never tell them how long it has been for me.
I'm not an ugly man, but I have a hard time relating with women I meet. I've tried meeting women in bars/clubs, and I've tried meeting women in other places like book stores, friends parties, etc. but I am not able to connect with women on a level that gets them sexually attracted to me. Not even with younger women. I'm 27 shouldn't it be easy for me to meet women in there early 20's? Well it's not easy and I don't have a clue why.
However when I go to gentlemens clubs I have no difficulty interacting and socializing with the women.
I'm not just looking for sex... I'm not that shallow, but I am looking to connect with women, because honestly a man has other needs besides food and shelter. Sometimes the touch of a woman is just as important.
I realize that many providers are in thier 20's and I understand why they are attracted to the older gentlemen, but I don't have many options in my case.
If I had been capable of maintaining a steady GF or acquiring a FWB when I was 22 and a nervous geek (now I'm just a geek) I probably wouldn't be hobbying today...I'd go out, dust off the old charm, and find another FWB.
For some it doesn't work that way.
I can also say that at 22 I would have been smart enough to behave myself and not do what these other guys are doing. To each their own, I suppose, but I wouldn't generalize.
people seem to think that civvie dating or FWBs and the hobby are mutually exclusive.What's wrong with having a "normal" sex life and enjoying the many benefits of the hobby.
I don't disagree with providers that don't want to see younger clients for all the many valid reasons that have been mentioned. There is no age that a person becomes mature enough to hobby or too old to get a girlfriend. I will agree that from a provider's POV there is an age that most men have the life experience to be respectful to their providers.Well at least there should be.
Damn it's those other young guys that is going to make things hard on other guys like me. I am 18 going on 19(really close) and I have been interested in hobbying since last year around May. I researched alot for almost 1 week. Then I got caught up with school and other stuff so I haven't really gotten into it yet but I want too. I would say I am pretty mature and I wouldn't make a total mess of someones bathroom or something like that.(I don't even know how can someone make that much mess to make the provider unsatisfied) I just hope when I start to actually contact providers that I don't get many rejections. As for what some other people said about getting civvies, well it's not that easy for some. Sure there is alot of pretty girls at my college, but you can't just go up to them and ask to be a FWB. You have to relate to them and all that and sometimes you just can't. I wouldn't say I am afraid of girls but let's just say I am a nice guy when it comes to pretty girls. Maybe if I get 1 experience with a provider, just maybe it will make things easier with the civvies.
I'm in the same boat right now. I just found out about the hobby this month. I have already emailed an agency but their age policy was that their clients must be over 18. I have tried picking up civvies with my friends but I am a shy individual that is intimidated at the idea of communicating with a girl that I find attractive. Hopefully a meeting with a provider will help me to get a taste of what it is like to have some form of relationship with a woman.
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