Well for what it is worth you were and are a gentleman. I am sure that she very much appreciates that and if in the future something might happen so be it. Getting a high quality massage is a very good thing.
Happy new year JackThis is kinda embarrassing, as you'd think I'd know all about this kinda stuff by now, but here's the deal: I've seen a massage therapist several times over the past year. She's mid-40s, Chinese, passable English. Average figure, pleasant face, cheerful personality--a Chinese MILF type. She always seems glad to see me and is very friendly to me, eg complimenting me on my body, asking me how much I work out, telling me about what's going on in her life etc. She's the sole proprietor of her own business, which is very private; in fact when I'm there she locks the outside door and closes the door of the massage room. But she's never gone beyond a strictly therapeutic massage, although she doesn't avoid any area of my body except my genitals.
Except... when I go into the massage room, there's a smallish towel neatly folded in the middle of the table. No other draping. Since I don't know if she goes beyond therapeutic massage, I've always put the towel crosswise covering my butt. And when I flip, the towel stays over my midsection.
I wouldn't mind a bit if she'd massage everything. But she's a very good therapist at a reasonable price and always gives me more table time than I scheduled (I always give her a nice tip), she seems like a nice person, and I wouldn't want to embarrass her and run the risk of losing her as a therapist because I made her uncomfortable.
So I ask the Brain Trust... is there a good way to find out if she'll go beyond a therapeutic massage without risking embarrassing her? At any AMP I've been to that gives Happy Endings, the masseuse always gave me some hint that she'd go beyond just a massage. And often more than a hint, eg whisk the towel off after the flip. Nothing like that here... except maybe that little folded towel?
If so, does she smile at you/
Do you smile back?
If so, then I would chance it by saying something like: "Do you ever offer extras to generous men?"
Or, you could try to "forget" to drape yourself with the folded towel, and see if she places it on you. If she does, then it's a no-go situation.
My take is that she probably does not do extras, but you never know for sure
As I said, she's very friendly towards me. That includes frequent eye contact (when mine are open) and smiling, and I smile at her. I don't know about the verbal hint, because her English isn't very good and she may not understand what I mean.
I've thought about forgetting the towel, and I use that approach at AMPs where I'm pretty sure they offer more than massage. But I'm wary about doing it in this case because, as I said, I don't want to embarrass her and risk losing her as a therapist. I think the odds are greater that she doesn't offer extras, than she does.
And I think you'll find that her English will show signs of improvement once money is introduced to the conversation.
She won't be that embarrassed. She'll just toss the towel over you (or not) depending on her desire.
We all get a bit absent minded sometimes
Or, you could try to "forget" to drape yourself with the folded towel, and see if she places it on you. If she does, then it's a no-go situation.
Positioning the drape... is not the easiest for the recipient... she'll decide how she wants it. I woouldn't be surprised if most do use it as it gives them deniability for at least the back portion. Doing a poor job of covering would be the way I went.
Or, you could try to "forget" to drape yourself with the folded towel, and see if she places it on you. If she does, then it's a no-go situation.
Not necessarily. Unless the RA specifically asks me to cover up, I will always lie down undraped and let the lady position the towel as desired. Usually they will cover you up anyway but it gives them the signal that you're not uncomfortable being uncovered. If I ever go into a new place and get some flak for it, I just apologize and tell the RA that it's the way I normally do it in my regular places, and that the RAs prefer to adjust the towel as they see fit...
I'd say skip the towel when you go face down. Move it to the side & see if she covers you with it.
If you don't want to be quite so overt, bring the towel up so it's to the line between butt & thigh... leaving you mostly exposed. If you want to be touched, spread your legs wide enough (man spreading) so she has room. I'd expect so work on the inner thigh, right up close & personal... maybe even some accidental brushes. Some are only lightly flirty on the face down but it changes on the flip.
I'd see to it that the towel falls off when you turn over... even if she covers you, I'd keep your legs comfortable apart. If you get hard, that's a big clue to her. If she accidentally brushes against you, you need to look in her eyes & smile. A real MT will give you a massage on the front... does she rub her breasts on you while reaching over you? Let yoursaelf get aroused. (I remember one gal... I liked her but the place was so cold I was shivering before I was done. She never offered but I really wasn't respnding to her either.
Further more, how is she dressed? Is she fully buttoned up? LMTs should be buttoned up like an medical professional... & in fact they are expected/required to a medical code of conduct. One told me that she was breaking the rules by the clothing she was wearing. In one case, I got a HE... she unbuttoned & allowed touching but only with her underwear in place.
Even if she's running a legit place, she may keep you guessing... so you keep hoping & coming back.
Thanks, good tips. I think the best in this case might be trying to bunch the towel up as you said, and see how she reacts. On the flip, she takes care that that the towel stays on. I have gotten aroused a few times, eg when she's kneading my glutes and upper thighs, but then she massages my feet before the flip so by that time he's settled down.
is the most telling... That's not encouraging. I'd mentally focus on her body after the flip to see if I could raise the dead... if you can get a tent going it will be pretty obivious. You could get just a bit naughty, reaching out to touch her leg or hip without being directly sexual. If doesn't respond with a tease at least, I'd write this place off for HEs.
as I enjoy the massage. Part of the problem here could be of my own doing... I've seen her several times over a year-plus and have been the perfect gentleman. Maybe she's written me off as Not Interested!
If you are aroused, she'll not mistake you for uninterested. Professional MT are very good at being in close quarters & not accidentally brushing you there.
I am in a similar situation as you. My therapist is asian, young and fairly pleasant to look at. She gives an awesome massage with her butter soft palms. We start off draped and then when she gets to thighs and glutes, she undrapes me and puts the cloth in between my legs to hide the junk. If I open my legs too wide, she closes them back lol! but she also runs her hand inside my thighs and sometimes brushes the boys.
On the flip, she drapes me again and then rubs around and very very close to the junk. she can see the pitched tent as she does this. After this she pulls up the drape to cover only my mid-section. She performs some assisted stretching on me and usually I get uncovered and she doesn't bother covering me up again. I am usually rock hard and she just ignores it. I always have my eyes closed while flipped as I find it weird otherwise. Maybe I will try the eye contact.
I am trying to work up the courage to just ask her for a release but like you, I dont want to risk losing a skilled therapist in the process.
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Well, I didn't mention it before but I have a 2nd go-to therapist, Asian, 30ish, adorable in a GND way and truly a gem of a person. One reason I love going to her is she rubs EVERYTHING... everything but THAT anyway. This is important to me because lots of female massage therapists won't even touch glutes let alone dig into every part of them like this woman does. Also inner thighs, chest, abs - again often not touched by some therapists. She does this because she requires a reference from a trusted client before she'll see a guy; she's had problems before with guys expecting a HE and being aggressive about it, even getting up and leaving (and not paying!) when they didn't get one.
Like your therapist, mine is usually careful with draping, but a few times during stretching or massaging my legs I'm sure Mr Happy and/or the Boys were uncovered, and sometimes the Mr was at attention. But she just kept going as if nothing happened.
As much as I'd love more than a massage from her, I'd never initiate it. She obviously wants to stay legit, based on the stories she's told me. She's married and a mom. And she's an incredible therapist, plus I really enjoy talking with her--I think she considers me a friend because she shares a lot of her life stories with me, photos of her family, gives me little gifts when I see her etc. So I'm going to enjoy what I have with her rather than risk ruining a good thing.
I think even non-HE therapists, US and foreign, get propositions all the time. If you gesture, or inquire nicely, you'll get a quick answer and as long as you don't push it if she says no you'll be OK.
I was down in WPB on vacation and came across a gal doing massage from her home. She was a MILF and built like the proverbial shit brick house, I was enraptured.
On the flip I gave her my best bed-room eyed look and asked about extras. She seems a bit flustered and said something about how she used to do that, but now wants to stay on the straight and narrow. I told her that I enjoyed the massage (It was really good.) and that was OK.
About five minutes after that she said, "Oh what the hell, what have you got in mind?"
We headed to her bed room and had one of the finest FS sessions I can ever recall.
Life is crazy sometimes, but it's all good
I wouldn't risk it in this case.
You have a great MT, almost irreplaceable, right? If you antagonize her and she kicks you out, you'd have to see how many more to find a decent replacement and maybe never find someone as good? Suppose she agreed and proceeded to give you the worst HJ ever. (I had one of the worst ever in one of my rejected reviews. It was more like a two-finger tickle.)
You can find many Asian providers and have fun and enjoyment looking for a HE or more.
Risks: losing a great MT; having a lousy HE, even having an unhappy ending
Rewards: a HE that you can just as well get from dozens of other real, professional providers
If it was me, I'd do nothing or, maybe, keep it as innocent and accidental as possible: let the towel slip aside or onto the floor but rush to cover up ... unless she makes the next move.
I think you have too much to lose. Get your HEs elsewhere
I've been in similar situations a few times. On the first visit I am always a total gentleman and don't really push the issue. After I've flipped and she is massaging my abdomen or upper thighs I will smile at her and say something like "It's OK to massage everything" or "I like special massage too". Gesturing to the area helps convey the message. If she is standing where I can touch her, I will gently rub her back or legs and ask if it's OK to touch her. Usually, based on their reaction I can usually tell if it's a go, a no-go, or whether I need to gently coax a bit more. If it becomes obvious she doesn't do that (or at least not until she is comfortable with you and knows you're not LE), then just let it go. One should never force the issue or get angry and demanding.
And if all else fails just ask her directly "Anmo xiao didi?" (ignore the spelling LOL), "massage little brother". One recent gal who has yet to make me happy, thought that was hysterical.
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"total gentleman". IMO rubbing a therapist's back or legs and then asking if it's OK to touch her is not being a total gentleman.
One technique I have found effective is to make "mmmmmm!" sounds and smile when she's rubbing glutes, upper thighs, hamstrings, abs etc. That almost always elicits a reply like, "That feel good?" (assuming limited English). To which I reply with a smile and something like, "Yes, VERY good!" No need for gestures or directives--if they go beyond massage, they get the message. That, and the bulge on the flip.
By total gentleman, I meant based on the environment (suspect AMP) and situation (I'm nude with an attractive woman massaging around my semi-erect junk). LOL.
I feel strongly that leaving the towel off and just folded at your feet will certainly not ruin your relationship with the MT. There is no reason for her to massage other areas if she thinks that you are content with just the professional massage. It is normal for a man to get excited during a massage. My take on it is that you just leave the towel off when you lie down. If she starts to drape you, I would just say "I don't need that". If she drapes you anyway, then all bets are off, however if she just throws the towel to the side, then you have a good chance of more happening. I feel that this is a no-lose situation. If she wants to stay completely professional, she will drape you anyway and nothing lost. She does not want to lose a good client either. Try it, there is nothing to lose! This has worked for me many times. If nothing else, it will be exciting to see how she reacts.
Any update on where this has all led, inquiring minds would like to know LOL
Jack
... that I saw the therapist who was the inspiration for this thread today. What I did different today was take the towel (which was bigger than normal for some reason), folded it in half, and positioned it so it barely covered my butt. I also spread my legs farther than usual. She came in and started the usual small talk, and unfolded the towel and repositioned it for maximum coverage. So I figured that was that. On the flip, I was at half mast from her working on my butt and legs (nothing too close, just the result of pressure and friction) but she ignored the bulge in the towel.
On the plus side, the massage was great (including deep massage on my chest, rib cage and abs which I love and can be hard to get from a masseuse) and was a 75-minute hour. I gave her a large tip, partly for the holidays.
So I'll continue to enjoy her massage skills and conversation... and that's all. I don't think she wants more than that, and I don't want to push things with her.
Well for what it is worth you were and are a gentleman. I am sure that she very much appreciates that and if in the future something might happen so be it. Getting a high quality massage is a very good thing.
Happy new year
Jack
You absolutely called it right. You baited the line & she didn't bite the hook. Not even a nibble. She avoided anything flirty (my description), when she had the opportunity to brush up close & personal. It you push, she will put you in your place... but she might not see you after that.
So now you know what the score is. If you are in the mood for more, take it someplace else. When you want the massage, see her.
On the plus side, the massage was great (including deep massage on my chest, rib cage and abs which I love and can be hard to get from a masseuse) and was a 75-minute hour. I gave her a large tip, partly for the holidays.
So I'll continue to enjoy her massage skills and conversation... and that's all. I don't think she wants more than that, and I don't want to push things with her.
I used to be married to a massage therapist. When she was in massage school they covered the topic of erections. You don't mention it and it is a natural occurrence. Pay no attention and just keep rubbing.
Now on an experience level. When they rub the inner thigh up high and slightly graze your balls...IT'S ON!!!!
On the flip they will rub your nipples which is a NO NO with legit Masseuses.
I hope my input wasn't redundant.
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