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I guy should have his head examined if he does not have his guard up when first meeting a provider.  Coeur-do-lion is very correct.  I would never go for that with someone I didn't know well.  Now once I have gotten to know the provider that might be different.  But as Coeur said, trust must be earned.  

I actually put a provider I knew up in one of the L. A. Marriotts once for a couple of days.  I wasn't even in the same city until I came back two days later to pick her up.  I even told her she could order room service as long as it was reasonable.  

She wasn't working.  She didn't even want to see anyone (well other than me) because her nerves were shot.  I did that to help her out because she had just gotten out of an involuntary vacation at a county facility, if you know what I mean.  She also didn't have a place lined up to stay.  She just needed to rest, and let her nerves settle, and get a place lined up to stay.  

But even though I felt I knew her well enough that I felt I could trust her, I was still a little reluctant.  As it turned out everything went fine with her staying there.  She did not even order room service even though I told her it would be okay if a reasonable item.  

Regarding the comment by kenescalade02 below, I didn't read it that way.  I took the term "regular provider" as being someone regularly in the business.  That rather than someone looking for a fling in the fling ad listing on some sites.  Otherwise he should have said a "provider he sees regularly".  Also, if it was a provider he knew well I would think he should already know what the expectation is.  But yeah, I can see it reading either way

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A regular provider that I contacted told me she doesn't have an incall but can get a room for us somewhere.  Dumb question maybe but to set expectations is this on her dime or mine? Thanks!

If its your room, you pay, if its her room, she pays.  Usually, she will try to book some additional appointments during the time she has the room to average down her overhead.  It would be gentlemanly to offer, but in my experience, when they book the room, they are not expecting reimbursement because it is HER incall for the day.  Others may have had a different experience.

Posted By: coeur-de-lion
If its your room, you pay, if its her room, she pays.  Usually, she will try to book some additional appointments during the time she has the room to average down her overhead.  It would be gentlemanly to offer, but in my experience, when they book the room, they are not expecting reimbursement because it is HER incall for the day.  Others may have had a different experience.

let the provider book the room if I was going to pay for it.  I would book it myself and get the airline miles and whatever corporate discounts I might be entitled to through various affiliations.  With that said, if the room is booked just for me, then I agree that it should be my expense, one way or the other, but then I would add that cost to the provider's rate and see how that compares to other providers in the area that have a permanent incall.  If a highly reviewed provider has her own incall and charges $500, and another comparable provider charges $500 but also wants $250 for the room, I have to take that into consideration in making my choice.  Granted, sometimes you will be in love, or at least lust, and the money diffrerence won't matter.  Other times, you may be looking for the most bang (no pun intended) for your buck.  Choose wisely

...you leave.  You don't know what she could do, who she could bring in, and what charges she could make to your tab.

You just "might" have to call "LE".....Yikes!!.

Dear Officer.......Ummmmmmm......Hmmmmmmm......This Escort just ran up a 20.00$ bill on my Hotel tab....What can we do about it???.


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not the money, its the lack of control over your environment when you are hobbying.  What happens to a married guy when the bill comes in the mail and his wife asks what happened to the towel the hotel billed separately for?  If he already told her he was staying downtown for an early business meeting, why did he need to take the towel home, and where is it now, or why was the salad and wine on a separate bill?  It just raises unnecessary questions.  I'm single, but I still don't like not being in control of my hobby environment.  If I was married like many of my brethren, I would have to be even more careful.  

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You shouldn't see her in a Hotel......Just sayin..

I have spent the entire day/night in a Hotel (many times), that was registered under my Client's name....He knew I was a Classy Gal, and had no desire to screw him over..

They were not only VERY OK with it, they would tell me to order breakfast/lunch/Dinner, or whatever I wanted....If they were NOT married, it would be charged to the room....If they WERE married, they would leave an extra 100$-200$ on the table for me...

After reading this board for several years, it makes me REALLY appreciate my Generous/Classy long time Clients....They would never even think of posting stuff like this, and certainly don't have the time to worry about such pettiness....They are too busy being SUCCESSFUL...

Peace out...

Kayla

be demanded, but trust must be earned.  I'm sorry, but on a first appointment with a new provider, who knows what you might be walking into.  We have no disagreement on trust when it comes to regulars.  The OP was talking about a FIRST APPOINTMENT.  Just sayin . . .

Maybe I am reading it wrong, but to me, it sounds like the OP was talking about a regular lady he is seeing.

if he was a regular customer of girl, how would he not already know whether she has an incall or not?  Wouldn't he already have had to meet her at a hotel before this?   I think when he said "regular" he's talking about an indie girl as opposed to an agency girl  That was my understanding from the beginning.  If I got that part wrong, then my advice would be different.

I guy should have his head examined if he does not have his guard up when first meeting a provider.  Coeur-do-lion is very correct.  I would never go for that with someone I didn't know well.  Now once I have gotten to know the provider that might be different.  But as Coeur said, trust must be earned.  

I actually put a provider I knew up in one of the L. A. Marriotts once for a couple of days.  I wasn't even in the same city until I came back two days later to pick her up.  I even told her she could order room service as long as it was reasonable.  

She wasn't working.  She didn't even want to see anyone (well other than me) because her nerves were shot.  I did that to help her out because she had just gotten out of an involuntary vacation at a county facility, if you know what I mean.  She also didn't have a place lined up to stay.  She just needed to rest, and let her nerves settle, and get a place lined up to stay.  

But even though I felt I knew her well enough that I felt I could trust her, I was still a little reluctant.  As it turned out everything went fine with her staying there.  She did not even order room service even though I told her it would be okay if a reasonable item.  

Regarding the comment by kenescalade02 below, I didn't read it that way.  I took the term "regular provider" as being someone regularly in the business.  That rather than someone looking for a fling in the fling ad listing on some sites.  Otherwise he should have said a "provider he sees regularly".  Also, if it was a provider he knew well I would think he should already know what the expectation is.  But yeah, I can see it reading either way

Rereading the original post, it sounds like the OP sees k-girls regularly,  contacted an independent lady who does not have an incall and wants to know who pays for the hotel.   Since the OP is using an alias and has not replied to this post, we will never know what he truly meant.  

Maybe I am in a mood tonight and need to make a visit to a hotel room myself  but they are too many hypothetical what ifs on this post about this topic.   Someone will always have to get the room.  If a lady has a current escort ad but does not have an incall, she better have the means and ability to get a room and charge appropriately when that times arrives.  And if the guys wants a lady across the street from his office for a lunch time rendezvous,  he should be prepared to pay for that hotel room - no matter who gets the room.   Every other possibility should be worked out between the two parties

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it should be included in her donation.

if a gal doesn't have a static incall, her rates for incall might be higher than they are for outcall.  

You could also just ask her. ;)

Unless the provider has an incall arrangement, I generally will pick up the bill. Trust me, it will be appreciated and you will leave a positive impression on them. Otherwise the hotel expense would take a serious bite out of their fee. If you can, always lean towards being generous. Just my opinion.

Also she is the one assuming the financial risk on your behalf.

Also.....If a Gent/Client is overly worried/overthinking, that MAYBE, just MAYBE, she will book another date after YOU, then that is just LUDICROUS!!.....Get over yourself!.  

Are "some" of you THAT cheap?.....She is getting a Hotel so YOU can visit with her, which is a pain in the butt., and saves YOU the hassle/trouble (especially if you are married).....She is also taking the financial risk (and her time), in case you were not to SHOW UP....These reasons in itself, she deserves the ENTIRE Hotel cost reimbursed...

If she rents an Apartment for incall, she still needs to pay the Rent every month....Do you still ask her if she has more Appts. that day, or are you delusional enough to think YOU are the ONLY man in her life??....LOL....Awwwwwwww, these boards crack me up!!..

There really is no difference what type of incall a Lady has, as it always ends up costing $$$$$$$$....It should be looked at as a convenient luxury that a lady is willing to provide a incall for you, so giving  a tip., AND/OR paying for the Hotel room, is not only CLASSY, APPRECIATED, but she will certainly remember you with GOOD thoughts, if you get together again (probably with "perks").

Always be Generous~~~~~~Kind~~~~~~Respectful............Appreciative~~~~~~~~And we will treat you like a KING!!.

Peace out...

Xo

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Posted By: KaylasAngels
Also.....If a Gent/Client is overly worried/overthinking, that MAYBE, just MAYBE, she will book another date after YOU, then that is just LUDICROUS!!.....Get over yourself!.  
   
 Are "some" of you THAT cheap?.....She is getting a Hotel so YOU can visit with her, which is a pain in the butt., and saves YOU the hassle/trouble (especially if you are married).....She is also taking the financial risk (and her time), in case you were not to SHOW UP....These reasons in itself, she deserves the ENTIRE Hotel cost reimbursed...  
   
 If she rents an Apartment for incall, she still needs to pay the Rent every month....Do you still ask her if she has more Appts. that day, or are you delusional enough to think YOU are the ONLY man in her life??....LOL....Awwwwwwww, these boards crack me up!!..  
   
 There really is no difference what type of incall a Lady has, as it always ends up costing $$$$$$$$....It should be looked at as a convenient luxury that a lady is willing to provide a incall for you, so giving  a tip., AND/OR paying for the Hotel room, is not only CLASSY, APPRECIATED, but she will certainly remember you with GOOD thoughts, if you get together again (probably with "perks").  
   
 Always be Generous~~~~~~Kind~~~~~~Respectful............Appreciative~~~~~~~~And we will treat you like a KING!!.  
   
 Peace out...  
   
 Xo

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The general rule that coeur-de-lion is correct.  However, KaylasAngels is correct in that is she is making special arrangements just for you it is reasonable to expect you to pay for it.  However, you have no way of being sure if she is going to book other appointments for the room.  

A possible solution is what MissErinBlack said, is she has incall rates and outcall rates it is reasonable to assume the incall rate includes the room cost.  However, here in California Outcall rates tend to be higher to cover transportation cost and time.  (It's the opposite in places like New York where hotels are more expensive.)  

My suggestion is to simply discuss the issue with her so you both are in the same page.  There is no clear answer to this.  If a provider really, really, goes out of her way to accommodate you, then it is a good thing to give her more regardless.  For example, check my reviews of Kali and Bianka Lee.

I haven't had a lot of experience meeting providers in hotels.  Most of the time, they seemed to be working out the room, so it was on them.

Once, I met a provider who wasn't exactly close to me and she or we decided to meet halfway.  She picked the place and got the room.  It was more a nice motel.  Her rate was not cheap.  I'm sure the room just took a dent out of her rate.  I didn't think about offering to pay.  It wasn't an issue with her at the time or after when we further communicated with regard to her giving me a referral and what not.

If her add and  her profile SHE DOes NOT offer in call..  
I presume ...That  
 she is doing special arrangement to you.. .... ?!!   HEY IS good have faith on people LOL"....

That  be nice of you to pay ...the hotel  
But u better arrange with her "where "she Is getting a room .
If you arrange to pay ... And she get a room Ritz Carlton  
Your fu$k  fun ...may be liitle fancy  

 

CC  



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Man that is a SEXY ACCENT!!!  Even when you type!

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viva""" dolce vita" the accent comes everywhere ... inimitable

That is my " charm

It sounds like to me she is making a special arrangement for you, so I'm also of the camp that she'd like to be reimbursed.  

I specifically say on my website that I'm outcall only but can be reimbursed for making hotel arrangements.  Yes, as someone else pointed out, that essentially makes my incall rate higher, and I expect that people choose me or skip over me accordingly (but I'm a part-timer so that's OK).

If you don't want to pay for the room, I'd make sure I'd clarify the situation!

I'd just ask her.  
In my own case, if incall hasn't been possible I let the gentleman book the room.  I figure if he wants to see me I can suggest a few places and he can decide.  

Anyway, nothing wrong with a little communication, take the guess work out of it!

newbieinla499 reads

Just for clarification, not a K girl regular and what I meant was seeing a provider that doesn't have an incall that I don't regularly see and didn't know what she meant by arranging a room for us.  Really helpful though and appreciate all the feedback guys & gals!:)  

(PS Kayla, see you post here all the time.  You are rude and condescending to the customers/posters in one post and then respond to all the posts trying to book what seems actually to be yourself, Riley Ryder, under your alias.  Can't have it both ways, just sayin...)

Which is why my handle is "KaylasAngels"....

That handle was given to me by TER....I have my own separate/individual handle, that I am not using at this time....

I don't need to pretend to be anybody else, as I am not the one using an alias.....Hmmmmmmm..

I will respond to as many posts as I see fit, regardless of "who" I am promoting....Sorry that bothers you so much, Darling..

Have a wonderful day..

XoXo  

 

 

Posted By: newbieinla
Just for clarification, not a K girl regular and what I meant was seeing a provider that doesn't have an incall that I don't regularly see and didn't know what she meant by arranging a room for us.  Really helpful though and appreciate all the feedback guys & gals!:)    
   
 (PS Kayla, see you post here all the time.  You are rude and condescending to the customers/posters in one post and then respond to all the posts trying to book what seems actually to be yourself, Riley Ryder, under your alias.  Can't have it both ways, just sayin...)

reading comprehension course is in order?  Just sayin . . .

I'm so sorry, but I don't know what "Reading comprehension" means., can you please esplain yourself Mr. C.??.

smarter than you come across from your posts.  I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

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rude, condescending, and a bit cunty, That's what I get from her posts,  

You can be smart, and a bitch, but a smart woman involved in customer service would learn not to piss off her prospective customers at some point. A stupid woman would make a comeback somewhere along the lines about how business is so fucking great, she doesn't need to care about the likes of us. In which case I suppose she would be rude, condescending, a bit cunty  AND not too smart

interested in having a customer who doesn't agree with you on everything.  That's certainly going to pare down the field a bit.  Lol

towards other posters here is making Kaylas Angels seem anything but Angelic.  Granted, its easy for you to say you don't want GaGambler as a customer after he calls you out for being a dick, but how many other potential customers are you turning off with your attitude?  I shall have to rethink my comment above that you might be smarter than you sound in your posts.

...gives the POV from her side of the business.  But Kayla is in customer service, yet she goes out of her way to attack and antagonize hobbyists in her posts.  Not very good PR for the "Angels" she represents, is it?

Very many..... :) :)

This is called a "Discussion Board", with many different opinions....Alot of Clients on this board LOVE to call the providers Hookers/etc, and that is simply THEIR opinion, whether it offends anyone or not.....Again, it is a Discussion Board.....If you don't like my comments, & think I am such a Dick, then why are you continually responding to them?.

Not every Client is for us Angels, and not every Angel is for the Client...

You act as though TER is the ONLY forum out there Darling, but I hate to break it to you..........There are TONS of Escort sites/Forums/Ad malls/etc....95% of the Gentleman I book, are not from TER., and don't care to be a part of it...

Have a wonderful day..

Xo

say that too it I was your position right now, but I think its probably too little too late to save your bacon (no pun intended) on this thread.

go low-class on these boards.  Between the two of us, YOU are clearly the expert on Douche, so I will defer to your opinion on this one.  Although, the way you ate going, you may not get as many opportunities to douche in the future if you run off all of your customers with your vitriolic attitude.  If you are going to be so thin-skinned about being disagreed with, then this is not the place for you.  

The classy thing to do on this thread would have been for you to change your advice when the OP clarified that your interpretation of his post was wrong, and mine was right.  I even said in one post that if I misinterpreted his post, then my advice would be different.  You could have avoided a lot of this if you had just admitted you got it wrong like I was willing to do, and we all moved on.  Clinging to your point of view even after it was clear to everyone that you got it wrong was just stupid.

are you referring to the hard-looking biker girl from OC with all the tats, or the flat-chested girl from Dallas?

with a spectacular figure, face, personality., and a all around WONDERFUL human being..

Just because she has alot of Tattoo's, doesn't mean she rides around on Harley Davidson's all day, smoking cigarettes, throwing back beers.....She is Polar Opposite of that...

part of the biker subculture, which does appeal to some hobbyists, then a potential customer would have to ask himself what other issues does she have to make her want to cover such a large percentage of her body with ink, and are those issues going to create drama if a hobbyist were to consider becoming a regular with her.

I don't mind a few tasteful tattoos; a butterfly, a heart, a hummingbird can be cute and tell you something about the serendipity, gentle nature and free spirit of a woman, but when you start to cover 25%-plus with tattoos, it just makes her look hard, a good look if she is peddling PSE, but not for GFE.  Obviously, this is just my own take and I don't speak for any of my fellow hobbyists.  I'm sure you disagree.

Bahahahahahahahahahah~~~. :)

Better yet, those issues (ya know the Tattoo's) "could" create drama for a Client?.

LMFAO X 10!!!!!.

Thanks for the laughs, "coeur"

Xo

are losing all rationality and getting hysterical.  Did I hit a nerve?

Posted By: coeur-de-lion
are losing all rationality and getting hysterical.  Did I hit a nerve?

those tats don't bother me at all.  She is smoking hot!.  The only thing that would stop me, beside her being a bit out of the way, is the rate.  That is a bit outside where I allow myself to play.  I can play twice with really hot women with about the same rating for about the same amount, or two hours instead of one.  

Other than that, heck yeah.  But to each their own.  :-)

hobbyists will like it and some won't.  I think it would depend on whether you want to go out to the Ritz Carlton for dinner with a classy looking provider or to a country-western saloon.  Just my opinion, mind you, and everyone is free to disagree.  I actually dated one girl that had a large Asian floral tattoo on her shoulder blade, but when she went out, it was always covered so as not to draw attention.  When we went out, she was the height of traditional elegance and femininity, but had a secret that she let out in private.  And it was always her choice to cover it when going out.  I never brought it up.  It was fun.

that should be the over riding philosophy here.

tats turn me off.  but i don't begrudge them on women or men or the folks that get turned on by them.

RC, the Montage, and the St. Regis, are where her Dinner Dates take her...

She is CLASS all the way, inside and out, and dresses appropriately...

Aren't those online photos of the insides of upscale hotels great?!!!

Seriously, you almost make me want to try her out, but she is associated with you, so it would be a crapshoot for me to know if she's full of "attitude" or not. It gives one pause . . .

must look to the rest of you, but believe me, I am NOT her darling no matter how many times she says it.  

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"angry sex" might be better than make-up sex.   But it might deteriorate into TOFTT, which I have already done once this month, so I will save my hobby dollars for someone I know will be happy to see me.

His MASSIVE budget seems to be 250$ per hour, and probably books a room at Motel 6..

don't really need a room.  I make no apologies for preferring thin, hot Asian girls.  MILFy Caucasian providers that have to constantly fight the accumulation of body fat because menopause is on the horizon are not appealing to a gym-rat like me.  I hobby four to eight hours a week, so yeah, at $250/hr, I'm getting a lot of mileage for my hobby dollars.  35 year old Asian girls look 25, and 35 year old Caucasian providers look . . . well, AT LEAST 35,  Just mother nature.  It is what it is.  Sorry.

If anything, I kind of find tats a turn on, slightly.  But more likely it's the novelty of it because most providers either don't have any or a small number.  If all providers had that many, I would probably get bored with tats.  

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she could go out in a sleeveless paisley dress and still look kind of formal because the "sleeves" are permanent.  Although I don't know if they would allow paisley into the Ritz.  Lol

aybe one reason tats are kind of a turn on for me is that it's a flashback to my pre-puberty unresolved fantasy of doing that green alien chick on Star Trek, the Orion Salve Girl!!!  

Yeah I will admit it, who gives a shit about reading "Green Eggs and Ham" when you can fantasize about "Green Tits An Pussies".  (Not that I was still reading Green Eggs and Ham at that age of course.....it's more a metaphor.)

Guess I have a thing for the unique experience.  After all, I still want to visit the Palmer Twins sometime and also get up to Vancouver sometime and visit TiffanyLane, the Sexy Midget.  Almost was able to book with the Palmer Twins a year or two ago, but couldn't quite sync schedules.  Darn

After going through this trainwreck.   What started out as a simple misunderstanding between outcall (hobbyist pays the room - even if she offers to set it up)  and incall (escort pays the room) turned into one long bitchfest about everything but the topic at hand.  What is so difficult about that?  So what if she wants to use a room for another dude?  If you are worried about that then book your own room.  Otherwise consider it a return of the favor.  A really cheap tip if you will.  Jesus, folks it shouldn't be rocket surgery.

I think Layla overreached quite a bit here, but she really is a sweetheart when she wants to be.  I once saw Riley Ryder puke into the planters at a meet and greet.  That was definitely a biker chick move, but she is very attractive otherwise, at least to me and when she's isn't puking.

Or, at least I did, after reading that train wreck!  ;)

others, and that does not make her a "Biker Chick"....

I was helping her get ready that night (what to wear/etc..), before she hopped into her Uber....She was nervous, new to the biz, never met the Ladies she was attending with, and it was a totally new atmosphere for her...She drank too much, didn't eat, and had a bad result because of it..

Get over it people...

Yeah I noticed the typo.  I sometimes mistype because I have big hands.  You know what they say about guys with big hands.

Yes, puking in the planters is totally a biker chick move.  It's also a rock and roll chick move.  I am totally enamored of both types, so from me it's a compliment.

I am a very laid back, let it be type of guy and their has never been anything in the hobby that I've needed to "get over".  Least of all the trainwreck here that was largely contributed by you not knowing when to take a step back and calm the fuck down.  Take a couple deep breaths and call me in the morning.  I can come over and we can play doctor.

Peace, love and respect.

Gatit

take this board sooooooooo SERIOUSLY....We have ALL contributed to this very comical Train Wreck, including yourself.....It takes a village to create a Train Wreck, not just 1 person...

The many people who know the "REAL" me, have sent some pretty hysterical PM's.. :) ...Those alone, have been worth this comical Train Wreck....My Popcorn bowl is now EMPTY, which means this movie is OVA!!!.............................................................................................................................................................................................Until the next one!. :)

Peace out..

XoXo

newbieinla441 reads

Kayla, totally hilarious with your stupid "buh bye's" but then can't help yourself but respond (probably really don't care, ya right).  Funnier yet is that business is booming but anyone asking about a date in LA or OC on this board gets a response from you saying Riley's available.  Seems she's not so busy or doesn't have repeat business which would lead me to believe she isn't worth the high cost of what she's asking!  Keep making yourself look stupid, it's worth all the reads of this train-wreck I unintentionally created! BTW, doubtful you're getting a lot of PM's defending your position of being cuntdesecding, you should have them post here if anyone really has your back.  

Posted By: newbieinla
A regular provider that I contacted told me she doesn't have an incall but can get a room for us somewhere.  Dumb question maybe but to set expectations is this on her dime or mine? Thanks!

Maybe its a little slow for Riley because too many hobbyists saw her puke in the planter at a meet and greet.  Classy move for sure. Just the kind of girl you want to take out for drinks at the Ritz. I'm sure the guys that saw it will recall the visual when they are offered DFK, and go, "Whoa!"  Lol

Dumbass.  Don't you know anything?  What the fuck other reason is there to buy a lady a drink.  Or 12.

LuvDesertlife436 reads

is totally unacceptable and not cool. kinda shocked that it was allowed. difference in opinion is fine, but you dont talk about ladies like that. shame on you.

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