Chemistry and the ability to learn are key
Chemistry does wonders for both to be comfortable with each other.and that is obviously not always physical Chemistry but the ability to put each other at ease.
i.e. a little game, Jokes, finding out our likes and dislikes, and not just sexual, Conversation!! The ability to learn, this one takes some work because not all women are created equally, learn different techniques and pay attention to what she responds to. Acting is one thing that many do well but, involuntary muscle spasms (especially the belly) and air intakes (gasps) are another. I've read reviews of a few ladies where the guys say she hates Daty, but that can not be further from the truth, if done right.
I've followed behind some of those guys and seen the same women and had a wonderful time showing her that she can enjoy. I do laugh though when I see reviewers say she cums 3 or 4 times in an hour, especially if it's during Daty. Haha Annoying and or unpleasant things:
From conversations I've had with ladies i've seen (Note, This is obviously not all ladies but I'm willing to bet it is most), it's usually because most guys care about one thing, getting off. They do not bother taking into account the girls (feelings or needs, or just plain nervousness especially with someone new to them)
As for actual acts, unless the woman is into it which most are not, you can be sure it's mostly man-handling them or their intimate parts. Women like sex as much as us but,
1) it usually takes them longer to warm up
2) They like pleasantries like sincere compliments where most guys could care less and no (You've got great knockers, is not an example of a good compliment). I'm a one pop guy because my second pop just takes to long but I usually do 2 hours and I spend as much time on her as she does me if not more sometimes.
Why?
I want her to enjoy our time as much as I do.
I want her to remember me the next time I call, because of this, repeats are usually even better. I have seen my ATF over 50 times, yeah, guys say I must be money bags, Nope, I'm not, I am a lover of the female form.
I have however formed a friendship with my ATF and we know each other VERY well.
She is one of only 2 women that can get me to pop twice in a visit but I also know very well how to curl her toes. Many of the same goes for LFK, DFK, learn more then one tongue thrashing technique and be receptive to the way she likes it or "trys to do it" instead of always having one speed in mind.
As VIP members can attest, the 'juicy' details section of the reviews are entertaining, if nothing else. More frequently than not, I see comments like: "... after making her cum for the 3rd time, she turned and said, 'your turn" OR "...during Daty she got really wet and had an O"
How do you know ? Do you really care or is it because that's whats been expected (at least in 'civilian' dating) ? All I know is the 'Experience' has been the greatest when the other party seemed to enjoy it as much as I did. Then I ran across this little tid bit of information...
According to 'The Honest Courtesan', M. Mcneill : ‘Most of the time, we (Providers) don’t enjoy the sex. Besides the lack of intimacy (which is part of the enjoyment for most women) there is also the fact that we’re concentrating on making the client happy, and can’t really tell him to stop doing annoying or unpleasant things without hurting his feelings'.
I don't think this is true of all Providers (...otherwise i'd probably find another hobby
. I would imagine that Providers enjoy the sex, but most of the time, don't reach an orgasm and i'm cool with that. I know it's different with each Woman, but what I'd like to know is, what are some of the..."annoying or unpleasant things" Miss Mcneill is referring to
entertainment professionals, much like actresses. I have had some friendships develop with providers where we have shared a bottle of wine and I have asked questions like these. Some have responded very honestly of what it is like from their point of view. I think all hobbyists wonder about what is going through the girls' mind. My take away from these discussions is, even though there is a lot of acting going on, they are still human with human feelings and body parts and are subject to real pleasure if stimulated in the right way, so its really a YMMV situation with each provider/hobbyist relationship being unique. Put a hot girl and guy naked in a bedroom together and who's to say whether its real or not?
Bottom line: Enjoy the moment but keep things in perspective. Don't fall in love with a provider or you will have your heart broken.
it's a show. don't fall in love. don't even make the mistake of falling in like.
that being said, it of course certain providers will prefer or enjoy certain of their clients more than others. i'm guessing probably more along the lines of personality wise than sexual wise, but who knows?
it's a fool's errand to try to know what's going on inside a woman's head, either provider or civvie. and speaking of that, how do we even know a civvie girl is telling the truth when she says she enjoys it
Coeur-de-leon - I've seldom repeated with providers, but with the ones that I have, It's for reasons beyond the physical. It's hard to fake chemistry, However; This is a profession and some women are better at it than others. We've obviously been fortunate to have met some great ladies...
I once had a session with a former stripper. She said she switched to being a provider because (1) she enjoyed the sex and (2) she didn't have to share the donation. As she lay on the bed, she props a pillow under her butt and says '...dive in and I'll guide you'. We had a great time and afterwards she said that sometimes men don't take to being 'guided' to well. They just 'go to town' and hope to hit the spot...
I'm not looking to fall in love
...just looking to hear any interesting stories
ok, just kidding, obviously a double post.
but i have done the same thing recently, i have told ladies i am with on a 2nd or 3rd date that i want to become a better lover, and so a couple of them have guided me in technique. one girl recently told me i went from 75% to 100% as a lover... subtracting the usual provide bull shit, i am guessing she meant i had improved.
as to real or not big o's, in the end, who cares? as cour-de-lion says, these girls are entertainers. part of the show is making the guy feel as if he is a great lover.
i have seen a few women who actually don't pretend to cum, but still seem to enjoy it. and a lady i was with once said she had been close when i asked if she came. so i guess the answer is, stop worrying if they actually orgasm. if they look like they do, good for you, they like you enough to make you feel good about yourself.
there is one lady i've been seeing for years...i remember one time after not seeing each other for a few months, she thanked me after our session because she said she hadn't had any sex in a week (she had gone home to see her parents & family). true? probably not. but it made me feel good.
i do have one story about real vs. fake... i was with a girl who said she had a big o while riding me (and she acted like it too). she went beyond that, though, professing amazement that she came so soon, saying usually it took her a while.
i wrote it off as provider showmanship...make the client feel like a stud. but she was it was such a great feeling to hear those words that i mentioned it in the review i wrote, saying even if it wasn't so, it made me feel great.
a ter buddy of mine pm'd me, saying he was envious because that provider never came with him. i mentioned this to the lady the next time i saw her and she said "oh yeah, he's fixated on making me cum, he's always pounding away."
so, two things: even if she didn't really reach the big o with me, she liked me enough to spin a story that she didn't spin for everyone. and also, if you're hung up on making the girl cum, you might just be annoying her.
i figure having a job where you have sex all day, sooner or later you're going to orgasm. but i would think it's pretty random, and has little to do with technique of the client and more like the lotto. sooner or later you hit the powerball.
what do i know.
I have had some regulars tell me that they prefer not to O with every customer except their favorites because the O's drain their strength and if they O with everyone, they will never make it to quitting time. Probably a different dynamic for lower volume providers.
Chemistry and the ability to learn are key
Chemistry does wonders for both to be comfortable with each other.
and that is obviously not always physical Chemistry but the ability to put each other at ease.
i.e. a little game, Jokes, finding out our likes and dislikes, and not just sexual, Conversation!!
The ability to learn, this one takes some work because not all women are created equally, learn different techniques and pay attention to what she responds to. Acting is one thing that many do well but, involuntary muscle spasms (especially the belly) and air intakes (gasps) are another.
I've read reviews of a few ladies where the guys say she hates Daty, but that can not be further from the truth, if done right.
I've followed behind some of those guys and seen the same women and had a wonderful time showing her that she can enjoy.
I do laugh though when I see reviewers say she cums 3 or 4 times in an hour, especially if it's during Daty. Haha
Annoying and or unpleasant things:
From conversations I've had with ladies i've seen (Note, This is obviously not all ladies but I'm willing to bet it is most), it's usually because most guys care about one thing, getting off. They do not bother taking into account the girls (feelings or needs, or just plain nervousness especially with someone new to them)
As for actual acts, unless the woman is into it which most are not, you can be sure it's mostly man-handling them or their intimate parts.
Women like sex as much as us but,
1) it usually takes them longer to warm up
2) They like pleasantries like sincere compliments where most guys could care less and no (You've got great knockers, is not an example of a good compliment).
I'm a one pop guy because my second pop just takes to long but I usually do 2 hours and I spend as much time on her as she does me if not more sometimes.
Why?
I want her to enjoy our time as much as I do.
I want her to remember me the next time I call, because of this, repeats are usually even better.
I have seen my ATF over 50 times, yeah, guys say I must be money bags, Nope, I'm not, I am a lover of the female form.
I have however formed a friendship with my ATF and we know each other VERY well.
She is one of only 2 women that can get me to pop twice in a visit but I also know very well how to curl her toes.
Many of the same goes for LFK, DFK, learn more then one tongue thrashing technique and be receptive to the way she likes it or "trys to do it" instead of always having one speed in mind.
of developing long-term relationships with ATF's, even in the Kgirl scene. Its just like having a civvie girlfriend as far as gaining the intimacy and knowledge of what you both like and how to get the most from your time together, but without the drama that goes with a civvie. At least that's been my experience.
I do laugh though when I see reviewers say she cums 3 or 4 times in an hour, especially if it's during Daty. Haha
2x/hr or 3x/2 hrs even happens for guys, too (I do question if the numbers get much higher, though), so sometimes that's not even exaggerated.
I haven't read Ms Macneill articles but my guess is the unpleasant and annoying things that she's talking about maybe is, WITHOUT a mutual understanding of the guidelines, like respecting the boundaries, play within the rules, communicate to one another in order to maximized the most enjoyable moments to spent your short amount of time together and mutually be respectful and for that reasons it might cultivate some connection and will result a regular clients...or otherwise....just my take.....