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How is it the biggest broken promise if the promise isn't even broken yet?confused_smile
JackDunphy 356 reads
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Good lawd, there is already talk by the Freedom Caucus of continuing dialogue and something will get done. They WANT and NEED a new law. Both sides do.  

In your experience, when both sides want and need something, doesnt it virtually always get done? Why do so many think since it didn't get done Friday, it won't ever get done? That is just silly.  

Rand Paul was saying yesterday they can certainly meet over the next few weeks and come back to a vote and he was a dead set against the bill as any R.

They will build a consensus when they re-visit this issue, and they will get something done.

That's not to say Friday wasn't a set back, it certainly was, but they have every bit of incentive to get back to the bargaining table.  

Obamacare, as it currently exists, is unsustainable as we have seen with premium increases, massive out of pockets costs and people pissed they lost their plan, doctor, etc etc etc.

We are 65 days into a presidency. There is over 1,000 days to go. Calm down. lol

Good lawd, there is already talk by the Freedom Caucus of continuing dialogue and something will get done. They WANT and NEED a new law. Both sides do.  

In your experience, when both sides want and need something, doesnt it virtually always get done? Why do so many think since it didn't get done Friday, it won't ever get done? That is just silly.  

Rand Paul was saying yesterday they can certainly meet over the next few weeks and come back to a vote and he was a dead set against the bill as any R.

They will build a consensus when they re-visit this issue, and they will get something done.

That's not to say Friday wasn't a set back, it certainly was, but they have every bit of incentive to get back to the bargaining table.  

Obamacare, as it currently exists, is unsustainable as we have seen with premium increases, massive out of pockets costs and people pissed they lost their plan, doctor, etc etc etc.

We are 65 days into a presidency. There is over 1,000 days to go. Calm down. lol

One thing the Republican's did not factor into their equation, when trying to develop a replacement to ACA, is that few people are accustomed to paying the full cost of their health benefits. For most, particularly high skilled, high wage earners, they've relied on group plans negotiated by their employers, which are far less expensive than individual private plans. The less skilled have seen their benefits taken away altogether outright, or by having their status changed from full-time employee to part-time (many of them work one hour less than what is required to provide them with health coverage), or independent contractor, for the more highly skilled. This has occurred increasing since 1999, as a way for companies to cut overhead costs. More and more of these people, who once had health coverage they could afford, due to group plans negotiated by their employers, are not liking shouldering the full cost of their coverage. These are the people yelling at the Republican Congressman at the town hall meetings, if indeed the Congressman have the guts to attend! And, these are the people who gave Trumpcare a 17% approval rating. They will not be easily fooled by some Frankstein heatlhcare plan cooked up by Trump and the Republicans! Many of them probably work for places like Walmart, who won't allow them to be on their group plan, but rather depend on Medicaid for coverage. And, the Reps. want to cut Medicaid coverage. You think they are really going to lay down for that! ;)

I have never followed Philip Klein but he’s appears to be a bit schizophrenic here. He’s in part criticizing this bill for failing yet praising those who were going to vote against it. I think he’s really criticizing the establishment Republicans that didn’t simply put forward a complete repeal which would have followed the desires of the Freedom Caucus and Rand Paul. He spends hardly any effort explaining the problems the present Republicans face both in size and time given the restrictions of budget reconciliation rules (51 votes vs. 60 votes and the time deadline for budgetary reconciliation). So the first Republican bill failed, yet Klein goes to great length praising the 2009 & 2010 efforts of the Democrats as they shepherded and watched bill after bill get rejected until their final success. The only real failure so far is in Trump’s campaign promise of immediate repeal and replace.

Conservative credentials or not, it’s clear Klein has an alternate agenda here.

ACA was able to sustain coverage for Pre-existing conditions and preventive health screenings against major killers like breast cancer, colon cancer and Prostate cancer with income from individual mandate and taxes.

With the Careless Healthcare Law by GOP,  all the taxes will be gone and so will be the individual mandate.    The new GOP law wants to maintain coverage for unhealthy people with pre-existing conditions.     How the hell the new law will support all the unhealthy people with pre-existing conditions without raising the premiums, copay and deductibles on healthy people?

Watching a segment on CBS regarding "GOP Healthcare Law hidden facts", premiums for everyone may go up to 65% on policies with less coverage than what is with ACA.

Have fun.

However, if they start falling off buildings, dying from radiation poisoning or being shot in public during broad daylight, their attitudes might change! ;)

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If he actually told them that...Surprised he didn't have them murdered or poisoned...like Putin would have done. Those Freedom Caucus dudes can be stubborn bunch.

is not a broken promise.  It's a work in progress.  Patience.  They have got to come together with a solution that fits everyone.  We can't stay like it is with prescription costs through the roof, crap insurance being sold as premium.  What I don't understand is if the federal government is already paying for the indigent with funds to the hospitals; then why can't they divert that money around with the subsidies they offer and just go ahead and come up with a single payer.  Our health should be the priority.  Attached article for your reading pleasure.

have socialized medicine? Is that something you see happening, anytime soon, with a Republican president and congress? ;)

In England, it can be 18 WEEKS! How would that work HERE, Matt, in the land where people blow their horn if they don't get their McNuggets in 5 minutes?

You may want your doctor's employer to be the government but I sure as hell don't.  

There is a free market principle that applies in the U.S.; doctors run a small business and they know there patients don't want to wait forever so the more people they see, the more money they can make.

Less waiting times, better care. Win/win for doctors and patients.

Like in Canada, people in UK can buy their own private health insurance either to supplement or as their primary coverage.   There is no need to be on NHS.   Both in Canada and UK, people pay an average of 65% to 70% less on RX than people in US.

In US I doubt people on Medicare get the best care and those on Medicaid get treated as shit.   On top of it, people in US pay the highest, and on some life saving and essential RX 300% to 500% more than people in UK and Canada.

Many top physicians do not accept patients with Medicare and as for Medicaid it is really pathetic to find a good physician.

It is not as rosy as people make it out.

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"The maximum waiting time for non-urgent consultant-led treatments is 18 weeks from the day your appointment is booked through the NHS e-Referral Service, or when the hospital or service receives your referral letter."

Repeat, the maximum waiting time for non-urgent consultant-led treatment is 18 weeks. That means, Jack, that that's the maximum time you would have to wait. You could just as well wait a lot less time.

And,

"During this time period, you may:

    undergo tests, scans or other procedures to help ensure that your treatment is tailored appropriately to your condition
    have medication or therapy to manage your symptoms until you start treatment
    be referred to another consultant or department"

Which means, that you may received treatment for your symptoms, and have preliminary assessment done. So, the waiting period does not rule out any treatment.

Plus, the maximumwaiting period for cancer is much shorter:

The maximum waiting time for suspected cancer is two weeks from the day your appointment is booked through the NHS e-Referral Service, or when the hospital or service receives your referral letter.

Repub trolls are not expected to read anything.  They are supposed to stick to their lies, distortions and deflect the topic to different directions.

...As long as we treat healthcare as a private industry with insurance companies taking more than 20 per cent of the amount we pay in healthcare will continue to be un-affordable for all middle class workers. Healthcare savings accounts are just a scam to get more deposits into the banks,the best answer is expanding medicare to cover everyone that way we would all be covered for 80 per cent & we could choose to buy a supplemental policy to cover the other 20 per cent.

The country that quite often is rated the highest (Netherlands) still uses private insurance companies. Their payment model is quite different from ours but the point is that private insurance is not necessarily the root of the problem. The ratings typically include both effectiveness and expensiveness. They are not the cheapest but are number 1 quite often. They also have 2 to 3 times as many doctors and nurses per capita than does the U.S.  Many other vaunted European countries also use private insurance providers to administer the system.

Repub never had a plan, so there wasn't a promise to break...So let's just call it a lie.

The only thing this fucktard can pass is his own gas..

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