Having had the honor of personally meeting Tebow, all I can say is that a more engaging, sincere, and confident person you will not find. And absolutely, forget all the arm chair QBs, commentators, etc.... The fact is that when Tebow got his one and only shot, he showed everyone what he can do all the way to the playoffs. I don't really know why he has been treated so unfairly, but I believe in karma, and some day ....
The class act, that he is, thanked the organization and tweeted that he will continue on his path to be an NFL QB.
On a side note............go Hilltopers lol
he isn't great, he isn't even really good at a lot of things, but id want him on my team. if you assume there are 90 qbs in the nfl, are 90 guys really more likely to lead you to a win at that position than he is? go ahead folks, i'll wait while you make your lists.....
mark sanchez? kellen clemons? rex grossman? jeff tuel? tyrod taylor? Charlie batch? brock osweiler? matt cassel? kevin kolb?
rmember folks, kurt warner was not a hot prospect when he got to the nfl. neither was tom brady. or tony room. all of these guys put together solid careers.
if you want to assemble qbs in your back yard and see who does all the sexy things the best, that's fine. but that is the crap that led to jamarcus Russell being picked #1 overall. that's what made tim couch, akili smith, joey Harrington and vince young high picks. tebow isn't as fast as rg3. he isn't as explosive as kaepernick. he isn't as accurate as drew brees. he isn't as football smart as peyton manning. but he IS a winner. his team lost 7 games in 4 years in college. think about that. that's about where Alabama is the last 4 years. he won 2 national titles and a Heisman. he was a first round pick. he took a 1-4 to a division title and won a playoff game, with the same team that peyton manning failed to win a playoff game with.
if he stopped talking about god, stopped "tebowing", lost his v card, and the media fell away, he could start for at least 5 nfl teams right now ( looking at you Jacksonville, Oakland, Cleveland, new York jets, and buffalo).
not like any of his haters could go out there and do better.
not true, on many levels. id still rather have TO than Brandon Stokley, but one is in the NFL and the other isn't.
in this day and age, teams care about the "extras" that comes with certain guys. but unlike moss, owens, ocho....tebow doesn't ask for any of this. its unfair really.
in this day and age, teams care about the "extras" that comes with certain guys. but unlike moss, owens, ocho....tebow doesn't ask for any of this. its unfair really.
First, on Tebow, I agree with everything you said. The man is a winner. He went 7-4 in Denver AND played great in a playoff win (albeit against my beloved Steelers...but I digress). To me, Tebow is like Doug Flutie. You may not like his measurables, (in Flutie's case his height, in Tebow's case his delivery/accuracy) but at the end of the day, somehow, his team is in the win column more often than not. I can't believe that there isn't a team who would like to have him as at least their back-up (and he could prob. start for a few teams). If you loose your starter for most or all of the season, in most cases its a lost year. So all you want your back-up to do is fill in when your starter misses 3-4 games and hold down the proverbial fort. Go 2-1 or 2-2. Can Tebow do that? Absolutely. He should be given a chance to do so. I'm beginning to think teams just don't want to put up with his fan following and all the off the field distractions Tebow brings.
Now, while you praise Tebow for being a winner, you have been harsh on Flacco (again I detest the Ravens), considering him overrated and in the bottom 1/2 of signal callers in the league. My point on Flacco is that he too is a winner. His teams have won a playoff game in each of his first 5 seasons (no other QB can make that claim) and he now has a Super Bowl ring. Were they lucky to beat Denver in the playoffs? Of course; it was a miracle late game TD pass. But that's football; history is full of Champions (see Eli Manning's miracle pass to David Tyree in the Super Bowl win against to Pats for point of reference.) who have won games/championships because of pure luck.
So if you are going to praise Tebow for being a winner (and I agree), I think you need to give Flacco a little more credit and recognize that Flacco is an elite signal caller who simply wins games at an incredible pace. I would take Flacco as my signal caller over any QB in the league except: Rodgers, Breese, Brady, Peyton, Ben and Eli. The man win's games and as a fan that's all you can ask.
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I have been VERY critical of flacco, but I have never said he doesn't belong in the nfl. I do think he has a place in this league, as a starter even. I just don't think he is a top 15 starter. I don't feel like tebow is a top 25 qb, so I think im not being too hard on joe. would flacco be so successful with ray rice to carry the load? without a quality backup rb every year? without pitta, torrey smith, and until now boldin making great plays? without ed reed, ray lewis, haloti gnata and Terrell suggs? im skeptical.
the playoff run last year was very fluky. Rahim moore going for the pick in prevent defense??? the worst playoff game I have ever seen tom brady play?? the multiple non calls against Baltimore in the super bowl...( holding on the last drive in the endzone, holding on the offense on the play they took the safety which would have added 10 yards to the kick return and gave the niners SOME chance, cary Williams making contact with a referee and not being ejected despite that being an ejection by the rulebook)...it has that LET RAY LEWIS GO OUT LIKE ELWAY DID feel to it.
I would take the following guys over flacco right now ( for various reasons) : brees, brady, Rodgers, peyton, eli, big ben, rg3, luck, Wilson, kaepernick, cam, ryan. I put flacco on par with josh freeman, matt Stafford , romo, and vick. that would have him somewhere between qb 13 and qb17. that's not too bad.
if he does it this year, without 2 of the best defensive players ever, and without his TE and bail me out WR, he could move up that list. a year ago at this time, I would have had rivers and schuab above him, so im giving him what I consider fair credit.
you have now lost all cred. why does he suck? because hes black? because he hasn't willed one of the worst 8 teams in the nfl to the playoffs in 2 years? or because you are an Alabama fan and hold grudges? freaking moron. 8000 passing yards in his first 2 years. rookie record for rushing tds AMONG ALL ROOKIES, not just qbs. all time qb rushing td record for a single season. yeah, that guy sucks. you have got to be the single stupidest person I have ever had the pleasure of debating. he is horrible, but you have no proof of how he sucks? don't mention W/L record, unless you are willing to admit tim tebow is a top 10 qb, because his W/L would say that he is.
please, enlighten me. how exactly does cam newton suck. don't worry, I will wait for as many months as it takes for you to come up with a valid answer. everything you have said so far has been dumb. did you see the number TO put up his last year in the nfl? did you? how does that translate to a guy that has lost it?
I just want to keep the brother man down.
Check the link Cam is bottom half of the league in PCT, RATE and Yds per Game. That is by definition not a good quarterback.
He is not a leader and is immature. His teammates don't like him. But, you probably disagree.
he has no good wrs. steve smith is LISTED as 5'9, isn't that tall. EVERYONE else at wr is a scrub. cam has, as I have said already, thrown for 8000 yards in his first 2 years. 4000 yards is not the definition of a bad qb. still no real basis for WHY he sucks.
lots of great players aren't "leaders" or "popular among others". example??? ben Roethlisberger.
I just don't get your reasoning at all.
check all qbs rushing stats over the last 2 years. see how many have more rushing yards/tds than CN. NONE BRO. doesn't matter if you move the ball by air or by ground, your goal is moving the ball. by the way, cam averaged more YPG than joe flakey did. he was within 100 yards of PEYTON MANNINGS total offense last year. I guess peyton sucks too, huh
Name the last running QB to take a team deep into the playoffs let alone win...
They get hurt and/or they don't win.
If Randall couldn't do it, no one could and no one ever will.
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last running qb to take a team deep in the playoffs? does almost winning the super bowl in your 10th career start count?? colin fucking kaepernick!!!!!!!!!!!!! didn't have to go far back for that one.
also, steve young and john Elway were pretty good runners and each have a ring.
also john Elway, 2 TIME SUPER BOWL CHAMPION, never passed for as many yards in one season as CAM FREAKING NEWTON did as a rookie. just sayin, sucka.
Elway never hit 60% completions, until he was 33 years old. newton did it as a rookie.
nothing you have said has any merit. STILL
From ESPN : "But Kaepernick started seven regular-season games last year, and his prorated stats would've been 3,675 pass yards, 544 rush yards, 23 pass TDs and five rush TDs."
23 PASSING TD's and only 5 rush TD's. That's why he's great.
Steve Young in his prime had a average passer rating of over 100 compared to Cam's 85. In 1992, an incredible year, Young rushed for over 500 yds but had only 4 rushing TD's to 29 passing TD"S and a passer rating of 107. That's a 107 vs 85. His completion % was 67 versus Cam's 57.
Kaepernick is like Young but Cam is nothing like them.
Elway, in 1997 and 1998, rushed for 218 and 94 yds. He threw for 27 and 22 TD's.
and you yet again the facts I provided about newtons yards and comp % as compared to elways career best.
kaepernick isn't runner? he had those 5 tds in 10 starts ( counting playoffs) that's a pretty solid number for an average RB when stretched out to a 16 game season.
oh, and there is the fact that cam is entering year 3 of his career, that is NOT a guy who has topped out yet, so the YOUNG IN HIS PRIME bs holds no weight yet.
if you wanna compare a guys best year to another guys first 2 years, why don't look and see what young and Elway and even aaron Rodgers did in the first 2 nfl seasons they had. OR ANY OTHER NFL QB EVER FOR THAT MATTER. none touch newtons first 2 years. NONE
Terrell, in 2010 was 8th most targeted and 19th in receptions and 18th in yds. Oh yeah, he was 64th in YARDS AFTER CATCH! That is again by definition not good.
18th in yards and 19th in catches isn't good????? Julio jones was tied for 18th in catches last year, should he hang em up now?? moron. not everyone has to get YAC. MIKE WALLACE was tied for 63rd and 64th in YAC last year, he is still doing ok for himself. everything you say is pure stupidity.
also, you know who had LESS yards than TO that last year???? percy harvin, wes welker, and Jeremy maclin. they all suck too.
also, you know who had LESS yards than TO that last year???? percy harvin, wes welker, and Jeremy maclin. they all suck too.
Mike Wallace was targeted 20 fewer times than TO and only caught 8 fewer passes and TO only outgained him by 120yds. Also, one has to assume that he is "doing ok for himself". I do not. This is the first time I've heard Mike Wallace used in this way.
Percy Harvin was targeted 20 fewer times but caught only one less pass and 105yds less total offense but had 140 MORE YDS AFTER THE CATCH.
Wes Welker was targeted 17 fewer times but caught 14 more passes and had 140yds less total offense but had 142 MORE YDS AFTER THE CATCH.
Jeremy Maclin was targeted 23 fewer times and had the same total yardage.
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you can bend stats any way you want. you are proving nothing other than you are good at twisting things around. bravo. TO RIGHT NOW is better than 25 nfl wrs. even after 2 years out of the nfl. PROVE ME WRONG WITHOUT TWISTING THINGS AROUND.
im waiting.
there is the twist again. bottom line, if someone is better than 1 GUY, he should take that guys spot. TO > leonard hankerson. skins should sign TO
is because more and more teams are going to 2 quarterbacks instead of 3. Or so I heard. That makes sense because the #3 quarterback is usually nothing more than a glorified clipboard carrier, and the roster spot can be used for depth at another position. If a team loses their starter and has to go to the backup, they can pick someone off the waiver wire, or practice squad. Personally, I don't see any future for Tebow in the NFL, at any position.
it makes sense in theory to build depth, but really, how often do you need to use your 3rd TE, 6th CB, or 9th OL?? its just an excuse.
on the patriots? steven ridley is THE rb. no committee at all. shane vareen is THE backup. Brandon boldin and lagarrette blounte are the same player, you could cut one without losing anything.
you have still yet to say anything intelligent
They aren't important anymore and aren't paid like they are. You can get what you need from just about any of them.
that doesn't have anything to do with what I said idiot. I said there was no rb by committee in NE.
523 total rushes. Ridely had 290. Brady and the next 3 had the rest.
Ridley gained half the yds. Brayd and the other 3 the rest.
RB by committee.
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2005 Dillon 205 carries
2006 Dillon 199 carries
2007 Maroney 185 carries
2008 Morris 156 carries
2009 Maroney 194 carries
2010 Green-Ellis 229 carries
2011 Green-Ellis 181 carries
2012 Ridley 290 carries
you cannot judge THIS YEARS TEAM by what they did in previous years. ridley also missed chunks of games with various injuries last year. also, BEN JARVIS GREEN ELLIS AND LAWRENCE MARONEY SUCK ASS. factor that into why they didn't get 300+ carries. ridley, on the other hand, doesn't suck. you do, but he doesn't.
once again, no argument for the fact that ridley missed time. nothing for the fact that BJGE and maroney SUCKED. nothing about this year being a new year, with welker, hernandez, Lloyd and for a while gronk not being there. ridley will have 1200 yard and 10tds easily. that doesn't sound like a platoon guy to me.
He just doesn't have a position, even if he would take what he would consider a demotion to another position... That H-back thing never panned out.... Not a fullback or half-back or Welker type or TE or WR or CB or Safety...
There was a kid named Kendra(?) a QB from Florida St in their heyday who was just a stud athlete but had no position in the NFL...
And kweezy you hit the nail on the head.
Tebow was given one chance to succeed and he took a 1-4 team to the playoffs. I understand releasing him for Peyton Manning.. after all he's the greatest to ever play the game!
Then he goes to the Jets were that fat slob Rex Ryan purposely sabotages the kid.. who outs a quarterback at punter.
Tebow is a winner no matter what I think about him personally... Sadly because he expresses his religion openly he's hated for it.
He's hated because of his religion.. so I doubt he'll ever be given another chance to succeed in the nfl.
Tebow was given one chance to succeed and he took a 1-4 team to the playoffs. I understand releasing him for Peyton Manning.. after all he's the greatest to ever play the game!
Then he goes to the Jets were that fat slob Rex Ryan purposely sabotages the kid.. who outs a quarterback at punter.
Tebow is a winner no matter what I think about him personally... Sadly because he expresses his religion openly he's hated for it.
He's hated because of his religion.. so I doubt he'll ever be given another chance to succeed in the nfl.
And yet he has no talent to play QB? How do you win 2 national championships and beat Pittsburgh in the playoffs without talent.
It's the truth Tim Tebow is hated and everyone knows why.
There's no explanation as to why a winning QB is treated the way he is. Aaron Rodgers maybe a christian.. but he's not openly expressing his religion as Tebow does.
He was absolutely awful. The Pats like him as a person, but he wants to be a Qb not any other position. Until he decides there are other positions that he might succeed at and practices those, he will have great trouble getting back into the NFL.
And you only get to play a quarter or two
Why does a guy whose succeeded his whole life at QB have to be a lineman, tight end or punt protector.
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Tebow may not be the prettiest passer but he gets the job done.
I wouldn't care if my QB only threw for 100 yards.. if he finds a way to consistently win.. he's my guy.
Why does a guy whose succeeded his whole life at QB have to be a lineman, tight end or punt protector.
Just look at his career stats: 47.9% completions, 75.3 QB rating, 17 passing TDs and 15 turnovers.
Numbers like that will drive any QB out of the league.
I agree Tebow has poor stats, but the ultimate goal is to win football games.
If they were winning is spite of Tebow.. why were they 1-4 without him?
I understand you don't like Tim Tebow because of hos religion, but winning in spite of him... Pittsburgh Steelers -9 favorite in the playoffs... 9 points.
Did Denver beat a 9 point favorite in the playoffs in spite of Tim Tebow?
if 16 starts was enough to judge a man by, would this guy make it???
56.7 %, 26 total tds, 28 ints. 233.7 ypg on 35.9 passes per game
what about this one???
60 %, 35 total tds, 17 ints, 253.2 ypg on 32.3 passes per game
guy a? peyton manning. guy b? CAM NEWTON
Having had the honor of personally meeting Tebow, all I can say is that a more engaging, sincere, and confident person you will not find. And absolutely, forget all the arm chair QBs, commentators, etc.... The fact is that when Tebow got his one and only shot, he showed everyone what he can do all the way to the playoffs. I don't really know why he has been treated so unfairly, but I believe in karma, and some day ....
It's his religion... the guy does work for charities... hes never had any off the field issues.
Karma... I agree that's probably why Denver got beat my Baltimore losing on a fluke hail mary with only 20sec remaining lol. And the Jets QB situation is a mess right now
If you believe in Karma , you know the jets and broncos are going nowhere fast . Amen !
Denver could make noise in the AFC.
Speaking of the Jets, they just signed Brady Quinn.