And I have all of his information. Will email you and any other provider his picture, and all info needed since it looks like he likes to change aliases often.
Stay safe friends!-- Modified on 8/14/2015 4:08:17 AM
I had a crazy incident yesterday when I first arrived to your city. The client was completely given the "okay" by his references, I thoroughly background checked him nothing came up. He seemed completely - okay! So he arrives to my room and quickly starts groping and touching me all over.... Not even a hello, ugh!
So I of course never like to discuss the donation and explain on my website and also before arrival how I would like the donation to be received....
So I don't see him going about the process of placing it anywhere.... I waited what felt like forever and then just straight up said..."Did you put the donation down?"
While trying to hug me he went into a tangent and said "Oh my references did not tell you? I pay via Paypal. I sent your money to the email we've been using, you didn't get it?!"
I gave him the blankest 'Iseethroughyourbs' stare and told him go get the cash donation or he has to leave now. He said he was going to come back with it in cash and before he left he tried groping me and touching me all over and with my pepper spray ready to spray away; I wasn't having it and I'm pretty sure he could tell.
So thats my story San Francisco.
He of course never came back and has not responded to my emails...
After this incident I followed up with his references and thats when they gave me further information on him but neither said that he ever paid via paypal.......
Since his record was so clear I think he tried to play me specifically because my rates are on the higher side compared to the girls he'd previously seen, I'm young, and he thought he could possibly get away with it.
Long story short, ask a million questions when sending out reference request.
When they saw them, for how long, are they a regular of yours, etc....
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Sorry you had to go through that in such a beautiful area and thanks for the safety tip
Send me the info please!
You maybe young but you are smart. Way to go!
Blacklist him and spread the word.
What a shame!
So sorry that you've had this unfortunate experience. SF men are always gentlemen... I guess except this one
And I have all of his information. Will email you and any other provider his picture, and all info needed since it looks like he likes to change aliases often.
Stay safe friends!
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Thank you. I got the details.
You are brave and strong.
xo
Stay safe friends!
-- Modified on 8/14/2015 4:08:17 AM
It's not so much how many references the guy has, it's the TYPE (price range) of references he has. The guys who only spend $200, see quickie girls etc are not likely to be a good match for high end ladies.
Charging more helps . using your gut instinct and being very picky help, but references will not save you. Once again, I would never tell another how to run their business, but for me this reference system doesn't work. I don't know these girls. I don't know these site owners. I would be very careful about not being lulled into a false sense of security.
Stay safe friends!
-- Modified on 8/14/2015 4:08:17 AM
I'm sorry you had an unpleasant experience in San Francisco. Was he P411 verified? I don't think you can change your name on there. There has been a spate of guys who have references from low end ($200 or less) girls who have been contacting the higher end girls. When they get there they don't have the money to pay up. None of them have actually harmed the girls but it certainly was not a pleasant experience. This is the first time I've heard of somebody wanting to use Paypal.
It's not so much how many references the guy has, it's the TYPE (price range) of references he has. The guys who only spend $200, see quickie girls etc are not likely to be a good match for high end ladies.
First it saddens me as a local that this guy actions happens in our city, it gives a bad taste that reflects on most of us here. But going back on topic, you mentioned that you've done your homework, verified his references, P411 okay's, White List and background check, etc and nothing suspicious came up.
But I have a lot of questions with your story, I don't know if he's under the influence, drugs or alcohol but more of my questions about obtaining references from other ladies now, that said. Where is the element of trust or mis-information drawn. What is the basic criteria or actions to take now? So many questions...
For example:
1.IF P411 and White List is NOT RELIABLE ENOUGH TO YOU. How is one's ladies reputations, friendships, relationships will be effected if some lady is spending ample of time being interrogated by other lady about a potential clients? Are they willing to share time and help each other?
2. What about, if great gentleman is someone FAV client for years and suddenly a newby, younger, more attractive is asking information about him. Is their any jealousy, envy involve? because a potential lost of a reliable respectful permanent client, one might not be cooperative to exchange info?.
3. A high volume lady that really don't remember the man in subject is most likely confused about a certain client with someone else?
4. Looks like everyone has to visit the screening process and make some evaluations. And BTW ladies when it comes to references, WE are at your mercy, @P411 and White List. WE have to request from everyone of YOU and the bottom line is you have the power to decide, whether to DECLINE OR GRANT US the FINAL APPROVALS...Yes, ask a lot of questions, you got the ball, what to do, what to do....
-- Modified on 8/14/2015 12:39:42 PM
She did what she needed to do but probably now she is much wiser and more careful. She handled the situation very well and now informed the community.
Everyone is different and have different screening values. I am sure now hers got even stronger. For example, I don't accept agency references or ladies with lover screening values. There is more but it is not the point.
Among the well reviewed ladies with high standard screening values, I have not seen any jealousy. We do love to help one another. It is for the safety for both the ladies and the valued gentleman friends.
I totally agree with Oldtimemonger's reply to this subject.
Well I don't want to disagree with you Miss, You've taken the position speaking for the other ladies, which in my experience are not exactly the reality or the same values that you are describing. that's the reason I asked the questions about the screening process. everyone has badmouth or had some kind of opinions about a certain person. Also I can respect that you agree with the gentleman's Oldtimemonger's explanations but NOT me, about a references that was obtained from subpar sources, I don't know where OP lady obtains hers, okay's maybe P411 & TER Whitelist which you claim you don't accept and used and also bothers me when someone quick to judgements and displays an elites status/arrogant comments and designations, categorizing by low end and high end which is not really the issue, IMHO no one is better than anybody here. The question is how much degree of risk you factor in for your safety comes into play when deciding giving some guys a chance if you are already AWARE that a potential clients are BELOW YOUR STANDARDS. All you have to say is, NO WAY MAN I'M SORRY FIND ANOTHER LADY, I'M NOT SEEING YOU period and that's the end of it and everyone moves on.... That's my take...
This means that if a guy has 10 references but all of them are low end ladies he probably can't afford the high end. Since those guys are used to assembly line quickies, they are a bad match for high end ladies. Many of them resent the high end ladies and the men who see them. I've seen posts in this group "They have GPS," "The Guys who see them are suckers." It's sour grapes on their part.
I did not mean to imply that the high end ladies were "better" human beings than the low end ladies. This is a business. It has to be run a certain way for the high end ladies to be safe.
OK, again being judgy is not cool dude. Not only the high end ladies has to run their business in a certain way to protect their safety. MY point is, isn't it the ladies JOB to find and verify a reliable references with their own personal STANDARDS and if they FAIL to do those things, they can not go around and BLAME, BLAME, BLAME the agencies, other providers that are NOT really forthcoming or even the freakin jerks like this guy. we are talking about and as far as I know everyone has at least a summarized profiles on record that gives you an indications of OK or REDFLAGS, like the ladies webpages, ads and reviews especially within P411, DateCheck or even TER WhiteList at least you can determined or have an idea to weed out which one you are willing to meet or NOT....
Sorry, but it is an issue. If the references are from low end ladies from low end sites it is an issue. Most of the ladies who will work at cheap prices , give 30 minute specials etc are pimped, on drugs or just desperate. They have to see an assembly line of guys to make a profit. As a result they often don't screen at all or hardly remember the guys they saw.
This means that if a guy has 10 references but all of them are low end ladies he probably can't afford the high end. Since those guys are used to assembly line quickies, they are a bad match for high end ladies. Many of them resent the high end ladies and the men who see them. I've seen posts in this group "They have GPS," "The Guys who see them are suckers." It's sour grapes on their part.
I did not mean to imply that the high end ladies were "better" human beings than the low end ladies. This is a business. It has to be run a certain way for the high end ladies to be safe.
I am far from being arrogant. I am being safe and want to keep my friends safe.
I have just had a request from a gentleman who had 20+ whitelists here and about that many okays on P411.
I check the okays and referrals and I see massage ladies and lower price ladies who offer half an hour.
He says he likes my posts, and he loves my site and would love to get to know me more and asks me if I offer a 15 min. Then tells me he can give me a good review? How can you know me in 15 mis? 
My "welcome to my home" takes about that long at least.
I am sure the ladies he has seen have good hearts and I do too but my screening process is even better than my heart.
My safety and your safety is waaaaay more important than anything... and really, I am a very good gal.
By the way, I do accept P411, and TER, and if you look at my reviews you will see that I am newbie friendly. That does not mean I say yes to every quick hello.
I am not talking about a high end spoiled arrogant personality... I am talking about high end screening and it does not make you a bad or arrogant person, it makes you a clever and safe person who cares for both parties.
XO
-- Modified on 8/14/2015 6:22:52 PM
'm honestly not the type to debate back and fourth on these boards. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I'll let you guys have at it. But I figured I'd chime in since I went ghost.
I personally agree with both Zayla and OTM on the topic discussed.
I solely went off the background check and references from very seemingly reputable women. Established women on the boards and "VIP entertainers" on all major sites....
Even if a person has 90 okays on p411 (yes I've seen that before) or white listed by many on TER I still reach out to his most recent okays and providers seen.
So- I sent out my standard reference request where I ask the basic questions and I got a basic answer back from the providers.
Little did I know he has only seen both clients for half an hour!
Both of them did not advertise that they do quickie visits. Not saying I think I'm better than anyone that does such but had I known that I would not have seen him. They of course told me this afterwards.
I thought I was pretty thorough with screening but obviously not enough. So lesson Learned; ask a gazillion questions.
End of story. End of message. Flying back home now.
End of San Franmadness.
Thank you all for the feedback ❤️❤️
when I checked on those sites for him I didn't see his email but after the incident I looked again and saw the same number attached to a different email so yeah; he does this often. -___-
So I of course never like to discuss the donation and explain on my website and also before arrival how I would like the donation to be received....
So I don't see him going about the process of placing it anywhere.... I waited what felt like forever and then just straight up said..."Did you put the donation down?"
While trying to hug me he went into a tangent and said "Oh my references did not tell you? I pay via Paypal. I sent your money to the email we've been using, you didn't get it?!"
I gave him the blankest 'Iseethroughyourbs' stare and told him go get the cash donation or he has to leave now. He said he was going to come back with it in cash and before he left he tried groping me and touching me all over and with my pepper spray ready to spray away; I wasn't having it and I'm pretty sure he could tell.
So thats my story San Francisco.
He of course never came back and has not responded to my emails...
After this incident I followed up with his references and thats when they gave me further information on him but neither said that he ever paid via paypal.......
Since his record was so clear I think he tried to play me specifically because my rates are on the higher side compared to the girls he'd previously seen, I'm young, and he thought he could possibly get away with it.
Long story short, ask a million questions when sending out reference request.
When they saw them, for how long, are they a regular of yours, etc....
-- Modified on 8/13/2015 11:52:41 PM
Wow, that sucks, sorry to hear that.
Who is this guy? Back in the old days, when we had the other board, this guy would have been outed. Well at least Zayla's got his information.
I hate it when a traveling escort has a bad time in San Francisco. I just hope it doesn't give you a bad impression of the rest of us and that you had a good trip otherwise.
Pay by Paypal, I should use that line next time...
Who is this guy? Back in the old days, when we had the other board, this guy would have been outed. Well at least Zayla's got his information.
I hate it when a traveling escort has a bad time in San Francisco. I just hope it doesn't give you a bad impression of the rest of us and that you had a good trip otherwise.
Pay by Paypal, I should use that line next time...
I too hate to hear them have a bad time in San Francisco.
I am happy to hear that you are safe and nothing further happened. This is a very unfortunate experience and terrifying indeed. My most sincere apologies that you had to experience this.
I wish I can use more of those devil emoji. OK here we go. I'm still pretty new at this world of social media and in this board, I realized how great it is to be part of this world. It took me a while to embrace this medium, I'm an old school. So wonderful to know though, that we have a community that allows everyone to freely express themselves. Great to be entertained by all these people that participates, but when a topic or a story of bad experiences comes up, that nobody can really vouch for it whether it's true or just made up to draw attention,(yes I'm implying, pls don't parse my word) seems to me everyone tend to trigger some kind of a nerve and most becomes transformed into their personality or close to it, within their handles. Looks like were not having too much sex,sex,sex in this board. Just my observations...he,he,he. starts like this....
- a very, very young lady in the industry visiting, shares a story about her bad experience.(is it true or not? or just a long boring visit to the city and find a way to kills time?) Cautions everyone! nothing really fucking happened...hhhmmm.??? and really, I have to update my urban dictionary. 'Iseethroughyourbs'
- a lady pretends to be goody2shoes great morals upbringings, good qualities of a person and sympathetic to everyone, believes like nobody really fucking lies, that everyone are honest and truthful about their stories, age, hair, eyes, education, breast, height, look, race and others...
- a stuck-up handle, judgmental character and an absolute arrogant..that's all I can say about this handle...
- a moron, stupidly brilliant character, only makes sense in his own world, nobody really cares about this handle, confused as hell and his views are as clear as a fucking mud...
- and the rest are just intelligent enough not to engage in anyway and be entertained by all this handles. Damn Social Media is Great.....
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I wonder which category you belong to now that you have posted here.
I also wonder why you are using an alias?
Very entertaining post by the way
I couldn't understand wth he was saying. I'm impressed that you could Z. Ha. ♡
...I'll even throw in an extra angry emoji for your benefit. Please don't specualate that a woman's obviously well intended warning to other Providers was anything but sincere. There's absolutely no reason to think that what she shared with us is BS yet, you feel you have a special insight into this woman in spite of the fact that you've never even met her. A gentleman will always show deference to a lady. You have no information to suggest that anything the OP related was anything less than truthful and, her post was directed toward other Providers so why are you responding to it?! Why am I wasting my time responding to an alias?! I think you should reveal your your TER board handle if you think you have any board credibility.
-- Modified on 8/16/2015 1:37:30 PM
I admire your sharp observation 2horsy, genius, I didn't see the humor in all of this, until I put myself in your prospective, now I see the amusements. I don't agree with your harsh characterization of everyone but that's your opinion, but I see your point that we might have been blinded and quick to react to a very sensitive story. And in your point, as you imply and in fairness, if this young lady's story was true. We all have sincerely empathized with her, and that's who we are here in SF, but if she just did it for fun and amusements to kill time, and probably laughing her ass off on her way home, thinking how gullible we are in this region, naming especially our city that no one really questions the validity of her story. How SHOCKING to all of us, that a guy from our city did such a thing. I'm always proud of my city, and its people & reputations, I'm not saying that everybody in the BA are gentlemen but most agree it's a FIRST for me to hear such a thing like this, and got us all involved in a debate and at each other. For her own amusements. Quote: 'I'll let you guys have at it. But I figured I'd chime in since I went ghost'.
I don't want to be skeptic, and at the same manner also don't have a lot of information to go by, but I understand that you see humor in all of this in your vantage point. thumb up..horsy. I'm sport..I got it...
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My friend and I had this exact same guy message us - he's blacklisted on several sites! He's a total creep. Thankfully I was able to avoid seeing him; she wasn't so lucky.