That's bunk. As noted by an experienced hobbyist, it's a good practice to show up with a magazine or newspaper (or both) along with the envelope. If you haven't talked about specific acts, let alone money, it's impossible to prove that the envelope wasn't just scooped up with other papers of interest -- until after the fact, of course, and by then it doesn't matter. Absent *evidence* to the contrary,consenting adults are free to do what they wish behind closed doors.
What is the safest approach to giving the donation to provider, to avoid arrest.
Pretty much standard request from the experienced providers seems to be this: put the money in an unsealed blank white envelope, and lay it on the nearest visible surface without saying anything whatsoever about the money or the services to be received. Just lay down the money and let the provider lead from there.
You definitely don't want to ask prices, discuss anything that you'll be doing or say anything that can be construed as soliciting sex. Chances are, if you are with an experienced provider you will be promptly booted out the door if you do.
Check out the TER instruction manual link at the top of the FAQ for Newbies site- It is pretty much a guide for us newbie hobbyists and is what allowed me to get started very smoothly and without problem.
If you responded to an ad placed by LE regarding services and show up with the money, you will be arrested. It is that simple. It doesn't matter how you try and discretely conduct the transaction.
Some people will want to argue that they could never convict you if you do it in a certain manner. Very unlikely, but if you are OK going to trial to find that out, go for it.
TER is here so that you can reduce the risk of a sting to near zero by seeing ladies with many reviews from well-established reviewers. Use it and LE should not be a concern.
The mechanics of the hand-off is more about putting the provider at ease.
That's bunk. As noted by an experienced hobbyist, it's a good practice to show up with a magazine or newspaper (or both) along with the envelope. If you haven't talked about specific acts, let alone money, it's impossible to prove that the envelope wasn't just scooped up with other papers of interest -- until after the fact, of course, and by then it doesn't matter. Absent *evidence* to the contrary,consenting adults are free to do what they wish behind closed doors.
Good luck with that. Your attorney will get a chuckle out of it.
If it is an incall sting you will be on tape responding to an advertisement that sets a price and mentions services or euphemisms for services. Sex and money in the ad you respond to. That is what they need to indicate that you knew what you were getting into. Just to be sure, the lady will have reminded you about the donation when you make the appointment. You will have shown up with the advertised amount in an envelope. So I guess it was a misunderstanding, you thought the "200 roses for FS" meant it was 200 actual flowers for a game of foosball?
Maybe the DA won't want to go to trial if you actually show up with an attorney who is willing to go to trial, but you can bet you will be booked. For the married hobbyist, the game is lost at that stage. Small local newspapers seem to enjoy reporting on this stuff as well.
Fortunately, incall stings require quite a bit of manpower and other resources so they are uncommon. But when the effort is expended, you can be sure that it will be set up so that there is no misunderstanding on why you are showing up at the location. Stings involving a policewoman posing as a streetwalker are more common because communities complain about all of the foot traffic as opposed to incall which is usually/hopefully much less obvious.
For a provider things will be much more flexible because she controls the ad and can only see persons who haven't set off any warning flags. So only offering a clothed massage is a possible defense ... among others. I view the hand-off as all about making the provider comfortable that you are not LE. If it is an incall sting targeting clients, there is not much you can do by the time you've entered the room.
There shouldn't be any concerns over the police busting in when you are with a legitimate provider, i.e. "consenting adults." This is just a silly concern unless it is a massage parlor. People do what we pay for all of the time.
My post is too long, but my point is very simple. If your worry is an incall sting then once you've made the appointment and entered the room, how you hand over the money is not going to matter. You will already have indicated, by responding to the ad, exactly what you are interested in.
You need to revisit your protocols. Even when appointments are set, I have no discussion of donations or acts, only appointment time and place; the donation is defined on her website, and somehow we figure out what goes where when we get together. So nothing is "on tape", as you put it. You can't prosecute two consenting adults simply for getting together and having sex - and without *evidence* to the contrary, that's all it is.
you can take the stand in your defense and answer "no" to the question: "Did you ever hand the person in question any money?"
But let's face it, if it ever comes to that, you've already lost time, reputation and a lot of money for legal fees. Even if a jury aquits you, it is a pyhric victory.
If the evidence is weak, it wont get to trial.
NEVER say anything about money or services either during the time you are making your appointment or during the meeting. All this info should be available in reviews and in advertising.
If she asks for money directly... look at her stupidly and say there must be some misunderstanding and leave.
For in call: Leave the money in a bank envelope in your jacket/blazer. First thing you do is take off your jacket and make sure the envelope is obvious. Say nothing other than something about going to the bathroom to wash your hands. (It is normal for the envelope to be gone when you return.)
Remember for LE to have charges there must be some discussion about money/gifts/ donation...
If neither of you say anything and they try to arrest you, give only you personal info (name and addy) and answer ever other question "I will be happy to answer all of your questions just as soon as my lawyer gets here." (it is a good idea to rehearse this line so it is ingrained in your memory) Many cases have been built based on what the guy said to police after the arrest. SO DON"T SAY ANYTHING!
If you followed my directions, you will be released as soon as your lawyer gets there. If anything you have a case against LE for attempted robbery! No discussion about money = no case.
For out call, the instructions are the same as before, however just leave the envelope somewhere obvious.
LE generally prefers to make incall stings; this way they can place hidden cameras and microphones in the room before you get there.
Ronnie,
Naughtylady
"I have no idea what you are talking about officer, I am not that kind of girl. I will be happy to answer all of your questions just as soon as my lawyer gets here."
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