I have not read "all" of that thread, but I would love to hear your comments on it, or at least that post, while that post seems to just be from an very angry person, I agree with him that P411 and or Ter whitelist should be good enough "IF" the guy has a long enough history of reviews, OKs, Whitelistings.
I personally am not a member of any verification sites, and I have seen a few indy's but none have asked for copies of my ID's yet.
If they asked for a copy of my ID I would black out everything but my pic, first name and state name, if that is not good enough, I would just not see them. I have also been asked for an email from my work account, which is easy enough to do but just as dangerous for us as an ID to a Savy provider. And yes, I did provide it twice when I first started, being a newb and was, well, a bit desperate, but if they ever get busted, we are now up a creek so to speak. But, I will never do it again, if a girl insists on it, I will just not see her.
Saying all that, because of stalking, Rape, Robbery, ETC, I understand why you ask for extra info but do not give it yourselves.
What I find the most interesting is that guys post those things with aliases to make sure they can still get in to see you when they want.
Just my 2 cents
In making a point, being persuasive or simply establishing a valid argument. One should consider the tone they set in their delivery, (in this case)-the actual sense they can make of a logical assessment in a provider/client relationship and the reality that, passive agression -undertoned by hypothetical threats minimize the original argument down to psychopathic rants.
1.) Was there a way to approach his concerns without dimeaning the very ladies whose services HE was seeking in the first place?
2.) This guy (who I refuse to refer to as a gentleman because I actually understand the definition of the word) assumes that providers do not have "real jobs" and in short warns us that our gentlemen friends can go to AMPS, Sugar-baby sites, porn etc. So we should reconsider our practices that keep us safe because our saftey just pales in comparison to what we may loose. :~|
3.) Does this person realize that all of his other options provide very-if not completely- different experiences? Does he realize that most-if not all- ladies are going to take safety precautions, who are prepared to deliver the type of experience her gentlemen friends would expect in the time they have decided to book with her?
4.) I wonder if when he starts babbling about how knowing a mans name won't stop him from killing or raping her--- He hoisted a mega-super-ginormous RED flag above his head?!
There is plently more I have to say about this mans argument and approach but I will not take up much more space and time on this non-sense.
In short this guy is pissed because he feels that a review board handle, two provider referrences and being ter white listed or a p411 member should be enough for a provider to let a new friend book her time. Maybe for some providers, that is enough. But for some it clearly is not, I just don't understand his frustration since these -pain in the rump- providers WON'T JUST SEE HIM??? He does call the shots, after all. 
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but my comments will strictly be in regards to screening, a very touchy subject. Zayla is correct. There is nothing to say about that other post. All of us ladies and gentlemen have to find our own comfort level in the hobby about everything, especially screening. Some of us do very little screening, while others want your birth certificate, driver's license, paycheck stub, a current photo, hobby handles, two references, your Mom's phone number, and so forth. Add to that the fact that all of our senses are heightened because of what went down recently.
I can remember my first internet session ever. I didn't have any references, but I called one of the more popular ladies. She said she could tell, over the phone, whether or not I was a good guy. She invited me over, and I had my first atf, and my first reference. Recently, a new lady asked me to, along with my two stellar references, send my job information, my car make, and a picture. I told her that I'd heard great things about her, and how sorry I was that I wouldn't be able to see her. My point is that we are all somewhere on the screening spectrum. It's okay not to be in the same place. Simply move on until you find someone at your comfort level. One does not have to get upset if a wonderful lady won't see you. It's all right. Thank her for her time, and call an old friend.
Unfortunately, bad things happen in this hobby. I completely understand why some people are more serious about screening. That's where I am as a gentleman. My screening is so serious that I get more turn downs than the dancers do at Mitchell Brothers, and I'm one of the good guys (always on time, have never flaked, clean, friendly, communicative, and I always bring the correct number of roses). But every once in awhile we both say yes, and I take great pleasure in meeting someone new. I never feel badly about someone saying no. No is an integral part of the process. That makes a yes very very special!
My take on this, the ladies, they can run their own business the way they desire it's nobody's business or dictate how they manage it, and how successful they want it to, if they're not interested about making a lot of sustainable incomes, and just interested on having fun with a few guys, it's OK they can pick and choose who they want to date, it's their call and on the other hand the gentlemen was right too for citing the general rules that screening process should be respected for privacy and discreetness. Bottom line.
If you are the customer and you have the proper and required references and still scrutinies, with other information, that's a "red flag", move on to another lady, plenty out there, because no matter what you do she's not willing to see you. You can always post a bad reviews how she runs her business if you're that piss.
And if you are the business owner, if you want your business become successful you have to respect your costumers privacy because, this market is driven thru a word of mouth and outstanding services and reviews to be successful. If you just happen to have a single bad review or bad business reputation, it is hard to recover from them and makes your business attract good and repeat costumers to thrive and maintain and sustain longevity especially in this industry...
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On one hand I totally and 100% respect a lady's right to run her business the way she wants.
OTH I also insist on my right as the one with the cash to ONLY do business with the ones whose business practice 100% fit me and my want.
In 20+ years of hobbying I divulged my real handle and name at most three times -to my very special ATFs that I've been seeing on a regular basis and that was only after we got to the point of knowing pretty much everything about each other.
I feel sorry if not even contempt for those pathetic souls who are so pussy-whipped into jumping through hoops just for the "privilege" of being a customer. There is no pussy in the face of this earth that is ALL THAT... man-up already sheesh..
I completely accept a provider's decisions as to how she wants to screen; you've got a lot to lose and its up to you how you mitigate that risk. However, I'm also concerned about my safety and privacy, and I have a lot to lose too, so I use p411. If someone requires my real name in spite of my many "okays" on p411, I'll move on.
It's really that easy, everyone should get to set their own boundaries here.
