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BeautywithBrains See my TER Reviews 569 reads
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...gentlemen really do not become any more regular, than when no discount is given.

   I offer reduced rates if a gentleman is willing to pre pay so many hours in advance, each month.  It is a win win.  I have a gentleman that does this now, and have had many in the past when gentlemen are in DC for a short time; a few months, or so.  

Hugs and Kisses,
Kelly

Question, debate on discounts for repeat clients.

I wonder why more ladies dont offer a discount on returning clients especially when you enjoy the time with client, can be better assured of safety and what you are dealing with, and reduced time to check references. It would seem providers would want to incentivize repeat clients.

For example, recently I found out a provider I have seen and would like to see again raised her rate to 4 and I saw her last year at 3.5.   I didnt see her since because she was out of town and so was I.  Anyway, I would see her often, say once a month at 3 or 3.5 but not 4.  

Let's say another provider is offering 3.5, either one I have seen before or a new one, then it would be logical for me to see the girl for 3.5 instead of 4 all other things being equal as far as looks and service. Even at 4, the same rate  as the girl I have seen before,  I would probably see new provider if reviews are equal given that what man on TER doesnt want to be with a new girl with great reviews. This is even true if there wasnt a rate increase by first provider.

So by not offering some sort of rate incentive it would seem clients wont repeat as often -- as is evident by the number of different ladies we see.

However, if a girl i have seen before and enjoyed time with incentivizes that I see her again, for example providing rate of 3 or 3.5  my calculation changes dramatically and I would see her again. Even incentivizing, say, by reducing rate after 2nd or 3rd visit makes sense and incentivizes that I see her a second time in order to reach discount on third, fourth, fifth visit, etc.

There are lots of ways to analyZe this but it seems to be there is an incentive for both sides at a slightly reduced rate or say an additional 15 minutes of time.

My thought is that more providers might want to implement strategic pricing given competition and maybe personal preference to see somebody they have met before instead of somebody new (maybe they dont care and have no preference if new client or repeat?)  

I wonder if providers have ever thought of such strategic pricing as I dont see it much but economics, psychology, etc would argue there is grounds to incentivize a little in this hobby.

Thoughts from providers and guys?

I've seen some providers raise their rates, but say something along the lines of "old friends can continue paying the same old rate."  I've personally repeated many times with certain ladies in the past/present, and in return, they've either given me a HUGE discounted rate on future dates, or they've literally stopped watching the clock for an hour or more (Sorry, but I won't be sharing their info with anyone.)

Yes, I have experienced on many, many occasions ladies provide deep discounts for my repeat business and I guess i'm just a nice guy....lol.

But seriously, I hate it when I see dudes make that kinda intel public.  This a motivation killer for the ladies to include such business practices in their one-on-one dealings with particular clients.

IF, your the beneficiary of such fortune......STFU and enjoy and, show your appreciation to the lady in other ways.

Ok, so I didn't take the 101 course, but I understand to shut my mouth now.  I would like to point out the hypocrisy in your response though.

My comment was a general instruction to all Hobbyist who find themselves the recipient of good fortune.  

Not understanding your hypocrisy comment?!?!  I'm slow like that.

I've been grandfathered into the old rate structure by several wonderful ladies.  One did it for only 6 months (so I saw her exactly 6 months later); others don't seem to put a time limit on it.  That is not the same as a discount for a provider who doesn't raise her rates, but given how many ladies do raise their rates, it is effectively a discount.  

The providers who do seem to like me are also generous with their time, whether it's running 10 minutes over the schedule time or substantially more than that.  

On the other hand, I've had this happen to both me and some buddies by different women--we book a date based on a certain rate, but the woman raises her rates between the booking and the date of the session.  She them expects us the pay the higher rate, whether we are aware of the increase or not.  I think that is really poor business practice.

As someone that enjoys her repeat friends, I don't get to spoil them as much as I'd like!  

With the area being as it is, most guys like to see the traveling girl, or the newbie and wait to see the local, me, later! LOL! No love lost, but when there is no consistency, it's hard to give big discounts like he deserves. Or at least it is that way in my world I just can't.

Now if I see him enough in a particular period of time, I may not discount right away, but I may throw in special OTC time, or a double session with a civvie friend for a low rate, or cater to him and make everything extra special, just to let him know he is appreciated.  

I have some clients I have extended special lower rates to, but overall they never take me up on it! I usually have the opposite, DC area guys like to "gift" us girls with more than our donation rates!
With generosity like that, why would providers even want to lower rates? To the OP, the inflation is real, not all of us are hiking our prices up, but think of it this way, whatever the price point, someone is paying it- and as long as she can get it, she doesn't really worry about those that can't pay it.

But price does matter to me too.  I might see a bucket list lady who is over my budget, but even if the experience is great, most likely I still won't repeat.  When I was brand new (I've only been at this a little over 2 years), I spent more time contemplating pricing theory of this hobby (grandfathering, the logic of reducing the hourly rate for multi hour dates, etc.).  Now, not so much.  This is just a bunch of individuals kinda winging it figuring things as they go.  If a lady raises her rates above my general comfort level and doesn't offer grand fathering, so be it.  If she is successful at the higher rate, then good for her.  Still loads of great ladies who do fall within my comfort level.

Maybe the key is volume. I’m sure each lady knows how many appointments she can schedule in a day, week, month without losing it, and she knows how much she needs to make ends meet, to reach a certain goal, etc. At too low a price point, she’d have to make more appointments than she’d be comfortable with. Even with regulars.

I hear you about a lower rate for regulars enticing you to come back, but she’d probably argue that her blowing your mind on the regular is your incentive. And there’s no guarantee that a regular stays a regular, so by offering a discount to somebody who might walk sooner than she expected, she could end up feeling like she cheated herself

I appreciate the quantitative analysis, but is there really that much economic rationality in all this? Provider rates vary from $200/hr to $400 or $500 $ or $600 or even $1,000/hr. There are usually corresponding differences in appearance or quality of performance, but I think there are selective $300/hr experiences that are as good as $600. It's like real estate agents or wait staff - those whose commissions or tips at the lower end often work as hard or harder than those at the upper end but earn much less.  

Posted By: takip1
Question, debate on discounts for repeat clients.  
   
 I wonder why more ladies dont offer a discount on returning clients especially when you enjoy the time with client, can be better assured of safety and what you are dealing with, and reduced time to check references. It would seem providers would want to incentivize repeat clients.  
   
 For example, recently I found out a provider I have seen and would like to see again raised her rate to 4 and I saw her last year at 3.5.   I didnt see her since because she was out of town and so was I.  Anyway, I would see her often, say once a month at 3 or 3.5 but not 4.  
   
 Let's say another provider is offering 3.5, either one I have seen before or a new one, then it would be logical for me to see the girl for 3.5 instead of 4 all other things being equal as far as looks and service. Even at 4, the same rate  as the girl I have seen before,  I would probably see new provider if reviews are equal given that what man on TER doesnt want to be with a new girl with great reviews. This is even true if there wasnt a rate increase by first provider.  
   
 So by not offering some sort of rate incentive it would seem clients wont repeat as often -- as is evident by the number of different ladies we see.  
   
 However, if a girl i have seen before and enjoyed time with incentivizes that I see her again, for example providing rate of 3 or 3.5  my calculation changes dramatically and I would see her again. Even incentivizing, say, by reducing rate after 2nd or 3rd visit makes sense and incentivizes that I see her a second time in order to reach discount on third, fourth, fifth visit, etc.  
   
 There are lots of ways to analyZe this but it seems to be there is an incentive for both sides at a slightly reduced rate or say an additional 15 minutes of time.  
   
 My thought is that more providers might want to implement strategic pricing given competition and maybe personal preference to see somebody they have met before instead of somebody new (maybe they dont care and have no preference if new client or repeat?)  
   
 I wonder if providers have ever thought of such strategic pricing as I dont see it much but economics, psychology, etc would argue there is grounds to incentivize a little in this hobby.  
   
 Thoughts from providers and guys?

Agree, good analysis. There are plenty of great girls between 3 and 4.

So I dont really understand the logic of paying 5 or 6 or more for an equally rated girl.

And again, 6 for one hour? I dont know about anybody else but that is a lot for such a short amount of time.

6 is now much somebody in say, Albania, makes in a month if that

who happened to check me out then circle back three months after I raised my rate quoting the old price-and I grandfathered him in though it was our first session. Then over a year later with no appointment since that one encounter, he seems to be bothered about the increase, though he never qualified for the grandfathering to begin with.  

It's a comfort choice, the ladies comfort that is. Likely based off changes in her life, perhaps saving for a major move, tuition, who knows. Also if there was anybody in your scenario who is lacking in providing incentive it's probably someone she's only seen once.

You'd be surprised at the amount of entitled sentiment I receive regarding a rate I changed last January, or perhaps not. Adding up the lost income from never enforcing one's own prices makes finding fresh faces as enticing to us as it seems to be for you.

As a provider who's raised her rate once since beginning I've been grandfathering most clients for 16 months as well as providing great service. Appreciation would be appreciated but my rate for my service would be golden.

Posted By: takip1
Question, debate on discounts for repeat clients.  
   
 I wonder why more ladies dont offer a discount on returning clients especially when you enjoy the time with client, can be better assured of safety and what you are dealing with, and reduced time to check references. It would seem providers would want to incentivize repeat clients.  
   
 For example, recently I found out a provider I have seen and would like to see again raised her rate to 4 and I saw her last year at 3.5.   I didnt see her since because she was out of town and so was I.  Anyway, I would see her often, say once a month at 3 or 3.5 but not 4.  
   
 Let's say another provider is offering 3.5, either one I have seen before or a new one, then it would be logical for me to see the girl for 3.5 instead of 4 all other things being equal as far as looks and service. Even at 4, the same rate  as the girl I have seen before,  I would probably see new provider if reviews are equal given that what man on TER doesnt want to be with a new girl with great reviews. This is even true if there wasnt a rate increase by first provider.  
   
 So by not offering some sort of rate incentive it would seem clients wont repeat as often -- as is evident by the number of different ladies we see.  
   
 However, if a girl i have seen before and enjoyed time with incentivizes that I see her again, for example providing rate of 3 or 3.5  my calculation changes dramatically and I would see her again. Even incentivizing, say, by reducing rate after 2nd or 3rd visit makes sense and incentivizes that I see her a second time in order to reach discount on third, fourth, fifth visit, etc.  
   
 There are lots of ways to analyZe this but it seems to be there is an incentive for both sides at a slightly reduced rate or say an additional 15 minutes of time.  
   
 My thought is that more providers might want to implement strategic pricing given competition and maybe personal preference to see somebody they have met before instead of somebody new (maybe they dont care and have no preference if new client or repeat?)  
   
 I wonder if providers have ever thought of such strategic pricing as I dont see it much but economics, psychology, etc would argue there is grounds to incentivize a little in this hobby.  
   
 Thoughts from providers and guys?

Don't even get me started you model-like wonder. *shudder*

Posted By: YourMysteryDate

....don't bother to ask about grandfathering. Well I take that back a little lol he can ask but should neither be offended, surprised or angry at the response of "nope" that comes after.  Grandfathering imo is a privilege not a right and definitely should be not only earned but maintained. You want the perks you gotta keep your "membership" active lol.

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Posted By: TrulyMsMocha
....don't bother to ask about grandfathering. Well I take that back a little lol he can ask but should neither be offended, surprised or angry at the response of "nope" that comes after.  Grandfathering imo is a privilege not a right and definitely should be not only earned but maintained. You want the perks you gotta keep your "membership" active lol.  

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PrivacyMatters307 reads

Did you ask her if you are grandfathered in or did you just assume?  She may had changed her rate for new people and not for old clients. Asking is the key to getting the right answer. If you didn't ask then your assuming and missing out but to be honest - if you stop seeing your lady because of a small price difference just know there's 10x more guys willing to take your place

I wasnt only referring to grandfathering.  

I was mostly talking about creating some incentive for repeating.

As mentioned, time is also a factor. I have had several girls provide an extra 20-60 minutes on the hour paid.

That is certainly not expected but it is very nice because I also like to talk. So that is worth a repeat and awesome review

As Kelly states below, many ladies will cut you a deal if you can *guarantee* a certain amount of business. A lot of guys talk a big game about becoming regulars, but don't follow through, so she would have to structure the discount in a way that ensures her income.

You're also making the assumption that she would want to work as much as possible, which is not always the case. It takes some trial and error, but the smart ladies are going to price based on the volume and clientele they want. You may have enjoyed her, but she may not really care if you come back.

...gentlemen really do not become any more regular, than when no discount is given.

   I offer reduced rates if a gentleman is willing to pre pay so many hours in advance, each month.  It is a win win.  I have a gentleman that does this now, and have had many in the past when gentlemen are in DC for a short time; a few months, or so.  

Hugs and Kisses,
Kelly

How would one advertise that this is available?  PM me?  I'd love to ask more about this, as I have a few gentlemen who might find this convenient.

Warmly,

*Maureen*

I agree Kelly, the prepay works very well for me too. I get paid at the beginning of the month for say 10 hours and the gentlemen ends up with several bonus hours or I will do a 10 hour reduced rate prepay. Win - Win. Everybody is happy and the financial exchange is out of the way.  

Kisses,
Megan

In theory what you say is nice, but it becomes complicated and messy.  

I adore and at this point cater to regulars and those who I've seen before almost exclusively. Every month I may add 5 new friends if that. I rarely advertise, I send out emails exclusively to those who I've seen or who sign up and verify. I would love to offer some strategic pricing if that were feasible but should I give out punch cards? Individually figure out how regular a regular they are or MIGHT be and send them a pricing chart accordingly?  

I think ultimately I show my appreciation in a rate structure that discounts longer visits. My hourly rate is above market (I guess), but my extended dates are often better priced than a lot of other ladies with much lower hourly rates. So I think those who appreciate that see that and take advantage of it and those are my regulars :) I don't have to secretly despise anyone who is paying an old rate or make any weird value calls about whether someone "deserves" an extra 15 minutes only to realize they had to head out early. So they get extended time at a great rate, I get longer appointments that I enjoy and we're both happy! Mission accomplished.

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An agency in another state used to have an advertised rate ,then throughout the day would go from $300 an hour to $250 to $225 an hour (I assume cause they weren't busy enough), so what ended up happening is that no clients would ever book at the full rate cause all they had to do was wait a few hours and sure enough the agency would post or, send the email out with the specials.  

We companions  have expenses and we do deserve to make a profit. Like the other lady said before, most guys once they get that discount, only expect to get that discount. Gas, groceries, oil, home improvements, labor services, everything keeps rising, so why shouldn't we adjust our rates to reflect that as well.

zorrf473 reads

You have an inflated view of what your patronage is worth.  You're probably a bottom tier client who they could get along just fine without.  That, and it's probably annoying to entertain coupon clippers.  There are gentlemen seeing providers for multi-hour and nightly visits on a regular basis, and you think your one hour splurge entitles you to some sort of special treatment?  lol.  

It's a goddamn luxury;  we're not buying food and water here.

The guy didn't say he ACTIVELY tried to negotiate a lady down, just that he had a price point that he was comfortable with - the rest was just musing about hobby pricing models and their impact.

For some, the difference between $300 and $400 means a lot, for others they may not care about price until a lady goes over $1K or even $2K per hour.  Some doing this might be making $50K and saving for an occasional spluge, others might have $10M in the bank.  It's all good.  There is potentially a place for everyone.  For the guys with the lower price point however, a key is ACCEPTANCE and not worrying about things that you can't control.  That's why, even though I'm a naturally analytical guy, I stopped thinking about all this pricing theory a few months into this hobby.  It just doesn't matter.  Ladies set their prices as they do for millions of different reason.  Guys make their decisions about who they see for a million different reasons.  Ultimately, the market sorts it all out.

And most critically, for a good time to be had, both parties should be happy with the arrangement when they meet up.  If I guy is thinking to himself, "I really can't afford this" or "I'm upset that she didn't grandfather me" then he probably shouldn't be in that room.  And likewise, if a lady is thinking a guy paying a discounted rate is somehow "cheap" and thus a lesser client, then she probably shouldn't be in the room with him.  Both deserve the best of the other when on the date.

I, like you, gave up on trying to figure out pricing a loong time ago.  As was stated, this hobby game is a luxury.  Hence, I pay what I can afford at the time with the lady I prefer at the time....simple!

When provider or client get to fretting and stressing over pricing it's probably time for them to take a step back and reassess their budget/lifestyle, etc.  I hobby to get away from the stresses of real life.  The only time  the issue of money raises it's ugly head for me is when I experience buyers remorse and the service does not match the P4P no matter what fee I paid.

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Posted By: Jstgttnstrtd
The guy didn't say he ACTIVELY tried to negotiate a lady down, just that he had a price point that he was comfortable with - the rest was just musing about hobby pricing models and their impact.
It's evident you didn't read the thread starter before you replied (which seems unwise) but he said a hell of a lot more than that.  The OP thought repeat visits at $350 hourly should prompt some sort of frequent flyer discount.  I mean, that's pretty much what this entire thread is about.  Maybe brush up on that before you start replying to shit I say.  

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And fully understood it each time.  My phrase "musing about hobby pricing models" covers his whole discussion. Sorry if you don't get that.  Really not much more that I can say.  I think my post was clear enough.

LMAO!!!  

Right, let's see where in my life I have punch cards for my loyal patronage...

My Dominican lady has a punch card, 7th blowout service is free... Chop't gives me $10 off a salad after I spend $100 on a bowl of lettuce... Starbucks gives me discounts on pastries and espresso and after I spend, idk like $500, my latte is free! Oh, let's not forget, if I hang out at a particular swingers club and pay whatever the event dues are, I can get a free entrance the next time I am in the mood for an orgy party!!!

So hooker punch cards, let's see, how would that work? Should they be catered to the "time" or to the act? LOL! I'd much a rather give the 12th BJ free than give away an hour or more of my time unless I really wanted to... Can't see how that would work out, but I guess someone would think it was valuable.

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Stamp his ass. A free session after, say, 10 visits. If the ink hadn't faded, it'd still be good.


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...I'm glad to pay the same rate. For me, the VALUE of our dates go up over time. I'd never consider asking for, much less expect, a discount

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I never asked and I never got reduced hourly rates, but ladies have spent extra times with me -- dinners, shopping, sleepovers, vacations, etc.

I bet they don't get more appointments than before.

for repeat business is to make that client ecstatically happy with the experience provided.  Most providers with whom I try to repeat are the ones who leave me with memories that I very much want to experience again.  And I'm the sort of person for whom no amount of discount would entice me to return to a provider who didn't make me feel that way.  As always, YMMV!

I have a set limit on how much I am willing to pay for an hour.  Some escorts that I have seen have raised their and the rate is beyond my limit and I will not see them anymore.  But sometimes I will inquire whether I am grandfathered to the old rate and if they say yes, I will see them again and if they say no, that's fine, I just move on.  I don't expect to be grandfathered but if they consent, it is all good to me.  Most of the time, favorites move on and you have to find new ones anymore

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Those who stress over $50 differences in this area of entertainment might want to consider a different hobby.  This isn't a row of competing hotdog stands on the boardwalk or a scavenger hunt for the cheapest happy hour on the block. You're describing your own wish that providers will start handing out discounts just in case clients might respond well.  Here's an alternative. If you want a "repeat client discount," then ask for it.  Don't expect ladies to conduct economic experiments for you at a cost to themselves, nor to offer discounts widely that don't matter to most of us.

Two of my favorites, on popular and one UTR have both decided to raise rates publicly on their websites. One grandfathered me at the original rate from several years ago, and yes I see her regularly. The other one (a visitor) has higher expenses (airline, high end hotels, expensive tastes for dinner, a new car and a new house). And more clients that her schedule allows. She raised her rate by 1 to 5 overnight recently. If you can't afford it than move onto what you can afford. I am moving on.  They own the product, its theirs to control and market as they see fit. Asking for discounts makes them mad and feel that you are devaluing them. This is not a service to dicker with.

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