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Now that you've read the Constitution again, how can you think there would be an emergency status?
Dr.Hackenbush 124 reads
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You called for martial law simply because one of the candidates died or dropped out. There was not even any specification as to which candidate, yet it was only the Right that would be upset. The Constitution covers this eventuality, at least until the "Electoral College" is done away with.

BTW, in order to have a vivid memory of large riots, one has to be not only old enough but also live in the wrong areas. Watching it on TV just isn't the same.


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I think common sense dictates that if either Clinton (unlikely but possible) or Trump (fat chance) is no longer there the party wigs would be forced to turn to the ticket's VP or risk losing absentee vote.  

Let's say Hillary drops out and Biden is in - those who voted for Hillary didn't vote for Biden. So to automatically transfer Hillary votes to Biden would be way too assumptive.  

But those who voted for Hillary automatically also voted for Kaine so NOT to automatically transfer their votes to Kaine could be looked at as disenfranchisement. I think I'm making sense here...

GaGambler114 reads

and I am purely speculating as will anyone else answering your question, but I believe any "early" votes cast for let's say Hillary can not be "uncast" and would simply be lost votes if someone cast an "early vote" for Hillary in the middle of October, only to find out in November that Hillary is no longer on the ballot.

BTW, this is not as unlikely as you might think. Right now the bookies are offering 3-1 odds that Hillary will NOT be the Democratic nominee come election day. They are also offering odds on Trump having withdrawn, but the odds are several times longer at 14-1

I also find it highly ironic that according to the bookies at least, Kaine is getting ZERO action to be the guy at the top of the ticket come November, with Bernie Sander and Crazy Uncle Joe at almost a dead heat in the 20-1 range.

It would all change big time the day after if any of them find themselves at the top of the ticket. I think Trump would stand no chance against Kaine, even with no more then couple of weeks notice.  

Joe... it depends on how they count the absentee ballots because Joe is the only one that would actually draw some from the Trump's base.

...of natural causes. If something happened, it would probably happen very close to Election Day, too late for any changes to the ballot or special circumstances decisions to be made (who would make such decisions I have no idea). But whatever the cause, it would be investigated for possible foul play.

The surviving candidate and his or her supporters would be where at least some of the focus of the investigation would fall.

During this time, the most sensible thing that might be done, IMO, would be for the current President to declare Martial Law and nullify the election results until all questions had been satisfactorily answered. Would not be popular with the Right, of course, so they would sue over it. Now, what such a suit would entail or where it would go seems uncertain. The investigation would probably be wrapped up much sooner than the suit's final appeal.

For the President to continue to preside past the prescribed limits to his term (Thank you Senator Norris, I hope you're satisfied), especially with the vicious divide currently in our country, would not be allowed to happen. The Vice President might oversee the period of Martial Law, but because of current tensions over Syria, North Korea, The Ukraine, etc, it seems more likely that the Pentagon would take charge. This would remove the issue from political squabbling and put all domestic policies either on hold or on autopilot.

That's how I see it, but whether or not this eventuality has been scripted out to any extent is anybody's guess.

Law suit from the Right wouldn't count. I suspect that if president were to declare Martial law without any significant armed conflict taking place in the country the Congress would quickly overturn it.  

If there is no Martial law and there is no president-elect by January 20th 2017, then the Speaker of the House would become the President pro term until new elections have taken place and new president takes the oath. President Ryan... interesting.

I brought that up a few weeks ago and got shouted down by Laffycunt and Board Idiot #5 with their usual litany of insults and fabrications.

Dr.Hackenbush120 reads

I’m curious why you think only the right would be outraged if a President attempted to circumvent The Constitution regarding its prescribed electoral process of The Executive.  A rational process that handles all your “what if” scenarios is precisely encompassed in Article II, Section 1, The 12th Amendment and The 20th Amendment. Also, Article II, Section 4 and Article I Sections 2 and 3 cover the situation if a rogue President were to attempt to take these matters into his or her own hands in a manner such as you proscribe

The Right would be unhappy for a Democratic President to proceed under an emergency status. If the president were a Republican, probably the Democrats would want to stop it.

Outrage is relative. As far as the FAR RIGHT goes, there's no way to predict the limits. Right now, we are living under the threat of multitudes of mass rioting if Trump even LOSES the election. Now I doubt it John McCain or Jeb Bush or their ilk will be joining the gangs of angry whites swaggering down the streets of their hometowns armed with baseball bats and lead pipes. But if you're old enough to remember the days of mobs packing in the night to do what they feel the law would have done if it'd had THEIR guts...you know what that looks like. Maybe you even know what it feels like. If you aren't part of the mob it gets a bit spooky.

Dr.Hackenbush125 reads

You called for martial law simply because one of the candidates died or dropped out. There was not even any specification as to which candidate, yet it was only the Right that would be upset. The Constitution covers this eventuality, at least until the "Electoral College" is done away with.

BTW, in order to have a vivid memory of large riots, one has to be not only old enough but also live in the wrong areas. Watching it on TV just isn't the same.


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