Going to their workplaces for what? Not sure where you're from but in Georgia it is illegal to solicit someone for sexual favors for payment. It is illegal to sell someone sex for money. But NOT illegal for someone to have someone else's telephone number stored within their phone. "IF" my number was found to be within an agency's phone then so what? Maybe, I'm friends with someone that works there and they had saved my number.
Maybe, I called to get more information of their services because I'm writing a book and they said that they'd call me back and saved my number in their phone. Lots of reasons why my number could be in their phone but certainly none that would warrant a visit from LE and certainly none that would be legally incriminating.
Do they have my voice recorded soliciting sex? Nope, because I didn't solicit anything. Do they have video of me making payment for sexual favors? Nope, that's why you should leave the "gift" in the bathroom with no mention of it anywhere or anytime. What is a "gift" It's money that was left in the envelope for whatever purpose the finder chooses to use it for but be most assured, it was NEVER left as compensation for sexual favors. And btw, did I leave it or did it just fall out of my bag? Whatever, this was all before I walked out of the bathroom and saw another consenting adult wanting to have a little fun within the confines of her own private domicile. Nothing was ever discussed, nothing was ever implied.
This has gotten SO blown out of proportion that it has taken on a fictitious life of it's own. Please for the sake of everyone, put down Orwell's 1984, turn off Law & Order and remove your head from your asses. In spite of what Chicken Little thinks, the "sky is not falling"!
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Seems to be a few agencies shutting down, what's that about?
Ive noticed that. Does anyone have any insight?
the cops going to the provider regular workplace?
Please elaborate
Going to their workplaces for what? Not sure where you're from but in Georgia it is illegal to solicit someone for sexual favors for payment. It is illegal to sell someone sex for money. But NOT illegal for someone to have someone else's telephone number stored within their phone. "IF" my number was found to be within an agency's phone then so what? Maybe, I'm friends with someone that works there and they had saved my number.
Maybe, I called to get more information of their services because I'm writing a book and they said that they'd call me back and saved my number in their phone. Lots of reasons why my number could be in their phone but certainly none that would warrant a visit from LE and certainly none that would be legally incriminating.
Do they have my voice recorded soliciting sex? Nope, because I didn't solicit anything. Do they have video of me making payment for sexual favors? Nope, that's why you should leave the "gift" in the bathroom with no mention of it anywhere or anytime. What is a "gift" It's money that was left in the envelope for whatever purpose the finder chooses to use it for but be most assured, it was NEVER left as compensation for sexual favors. And btw, did I leave it or did it just fall out of my bag? Whatever, this was all before I walked out of the bathroom and saw another consenting adult wanting to have a little fun within the confines of her own private domicile. Nothing was ever discussed, nothing was ever implied.
This has gotten SO blown out of proportion that it has taken on a fictitious life of it's own. Please for the sake of everyone, put down Orwell's 1984, turn off Law & Order and remove your head from your asses. In spite of what Chicken Little thinks, the "sky is not falling"!
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Right?
I'm using an alias simply because I can't use my real handle in the same thread as my alias. However I want to know how the hell any dumbass would even consider talking to LE that showed up at their place of employment. I have read reports that apparently aren't meant to be easy to find from the arresting PD. I'm no expert, but I'm pretty damn smart. One of the males that was charged had been charged with the exact same thing less than 3 months ago...WTF??? All an officer has to do is see his face and remember his previous arrest.
All of the rumors are getting stupid, the sky isn't falling..Snow maybe.
Do you folks really think that LE would go thru the trouble of going to someones office to potentially charge them with a misdemeanor charge....NOT A FREAKING CHANCE
Do you really think the endgame for the cops in this is to arrest some hookers?
They have had these spots under surveillance for months and have pictures of guys and cars/licenses coming and going.
They are asking extremely uncomfortable questions in very embarrassing places and they have a reason
Not against the law to come or go. "If", they have a picture of my car/license then that was probably the same day that my "friend", whom is now an outed sex worker (this much to my surprise), had asked me to stop by on my way home to bring her a cheese burger. I did, she ate it, we talked, read the bible together watched Jeopardy together (I do love that Alex Trebek) and then I left. Again, NOT against the law......
You sure seem to know an awful lot about the inner workings of Operation Bust-A-Ho, please share more.
Exactly !!!
Once that door closes they cannot use anything they had prior to that moment, it's called speculation.
TER allows this
What you mean is that you chose not too. Easier to make random, non substantiated claims from behind an alias. Either step out from the shadows, substantiate you claims or stop.
There's enough hysteria in the community just now.
All of the rumors are getting stupid, the sky isn't falling..Snow maybe.
Do you folks really think that LE would go thru the trouble of going to someones office to potentially charge them with a misdemeanor charge....NOT A FREAKING CHANCE
Actually, no one is supposed to use an alias and their handle in the same thread. That is against ter rules.
A friend of mine is an attorney and he has emphasized that one should never speak with police if they question you. Remain silent. Insist you have an attorney present to answer questions. The US Legal system is not about right or wrong, guilt or innocence-- it is an adversarial system about winning or losing.
Years ago another jurisdiction did that in another region of the US. Some guys got lucky because the corporate lawyer told LE to leave. One guy was visited at home who did a MnG.
And we dont document any clients personal information not even phone numbers everything is in my head
Good thread. I've wondered the same thing. My advice to clients or agencies is remain silent and contact criminal defense attorney Steve Sadow in Atlanta for any legal advice. He is one of the best and should help be able to provide solid advice on how to handle such an issue. I think it is too bad that agencies are being harassed and clients who could lose their jobs over a witch hunt situation. I'm interested in hearing more details on what has been going on too. I've noticed a couple of agencies appear to not have their websites up and running anymore. Things that make you go hmmm. Sad situation for the individuals who have lost their jobs even if just a temporary situation.
I don't have enough friends in this community yet to be privy to that information and it's driving me bonkers.
please share more info!
xoxo
Several of the Providers have been arrested over the past week and are currently in the County Jail. I am not an attorney but some have bail amounts that have a significant variance even though they are all charged with the same crimes. My guess is LE is contacting the Providers and telling them to come for an appointment and they are arrested when they arrive at the location. I kind of find it hard to believe that LE is visiting clients at their workplace as I did not hear of this happening during the last Agency bust a couple years back. Anyway, the only thing that can be verified is that they are going after the Providers really hard.
Dekalb. The Providers are the ones all charged with prostitution.
So safe to say just stay to Fulton county locations ?
too much jurisdiction headaches. I can't see a Dunwoody cop showing up at a sandysprings
place of bizness. to harass a monger. potential for lawsuit of some sort.
Thanks for the info, hope these ladies get out soon and everyone else stays safe!
Do we know if they went after any indys or strictly agencies and maybe clients of the agencies?
Good luck everyone
It kinda upsets me because I am an independent girl but when I go back to Atlanta I like to use agencies because it's an upscale environment vs using a hotel room and running out of towels ....
i hate running out of towels. I always snatch a couple from the maid cart when going to a hotel!
The lady always appreciates it.
Those who were arrested last week have their offense date listed as the same as their arrest date.
However, those who have been arrested this week all have "8/30/16" listed as their offense date.
They did not get busted because of lack of screening.
Gentlemen, choose an indy with reviews, keep your correspondence clean, don't stand around in her parking lot looking indiscreet and further drawing attention to the fact that there a lot of professionally dressed middle aged dudes coming and going (because, remember you aren't the only one seeing her that day), and you have nothing to worry about.
Ladies, instruct your clients to remain in their vehicle until you have told them which apartment or hotel room. They should not be standing around in your parking lot where all the neighbors can see them looking lost. If you think cops are watching your incall, move immediately and do not take any more appointments at your location.
When cops bust indies down here (at least in Gwinnett, this is mainly how they operate), they contact ladies to come to their Gwinnett hotel the same day. Why would they waste time going through your vigorous screening when they are literally getting lady after lady coming to their hotel without screening? I have never read a report where the cops had references from a provider with reviews that actually checked out. They target agencies so they can pat themselves on the back for "rescuing trafficking victims", they target indies who don't screen and they target clients that are pedos or don't do their homework.
It seems to me that it'd be easier for an agency employee to bring the agency down rather than a client.
A girl gets in some unrelated legal trouble (especially a girl with priors) and what's to stop her from selling out her agency to get herself off the hook? I don't know what agency owners can do to mitigate that sort of exposure.
If the Agency had their location in a gated Apartment complex then would the amount of traffic going through on the use of their gate code draw attention from the apartment management. Just sayin.
All of this is hypothetical, of course. I have no knowledge of how it actually went down.
That seems plausible. Neighbor complaints seem more likely.
A girl gets in some unrelated legal trouble (especially a girl with priors) and what's to stop her from selling out her agency to get herself off the hook? I don't know what agency owners can do to mitigate that sort of exposure.
It's possible that all this started with an apartment complex telling the cops that they have a suspicious tenant, but it would involve a lot less detective work if an employee/ex-employee or a competitor sold them out.
They were hit with RICO charges. Think about how crime families get brought down - it's usually a rat, not great police work.
A girl gets in some unrelated legal trouble (especially a girl with priors) and what's to stop her from selling out her agency to get herself off the hook? I don't know what agency owners can do to mitigate that sort of exposure.
True they actually screened very well
Very thorough and detailed.
If the screening was thorough, how does LE pass it? Did LE have provider references, employment info, TER/P411 handles? I would love to know.
If they screened well, how did this happen? Did LE actually have provider references, employment info, TER/P411 handles? I'm curious as to what screening was done and how LE passed it.
The incall was being watched nice neighborhoods in Dunwoody dont want this activity in their community. It had nothing to do with a sting bust
So they basically just arrested anyone they saw going to and from the incalls? I'm relatively new to the industry and I really want to know how arrests can be made if they weren't part of a sting/bust that resulted from lack of screening etc.
Thanks!
Just for everybody's information, I received the following email from an agency that is no longer online. I did not think much of it at the time, but it certainly makes sense now. It appears LE might have been trying to entice clients to visit. This email was sent to me on 12/19/2016. The review in question was posted in October, I believe, from me.
I am leaving out particular details as maintain privacy for former agency. But certainly be aware. Here is the email:
hi there,
I just wanted to drop a quick line to thank you for the most excellent review of *****. She had a HUGE smile on her face as she was reading it!
The next time you decide to see one of our girls please let the phone operator know that you have a free additional half hour added on to your time, on me.
Thanks again,
Agency Owner
Gentlemen, choose an indy with reviews, keep your correspondence clean, don't stand around in her parking lot looking indiscreet and further drawing attention to the fact that there a lot of professionally dressed middle aged dudes coming and going (because, remember you aren't the only one seeing her that day), and you have nothing to worry about.
Ladies, instruct your clients to remain in their vehicle until you have told them which apartment or hotel room. They should not be standing around in your parking lot where all the neighbors can see them looking lost. If you think cops are watching your incall, move immediately and do not take any more appointments at your location.
When cops bust indies down here (at least in Gwinnett, this is mainly how they operate), they contact ladies to come to their Gwinnett hotel the same day. Why would they waste time going through your vigorous screening when they are literally getting lady after lady coming to their hotel without screening? I have never read a report where the cops had references from a provider with reviews that actually checked out. They target agencies so they can pat themselves on the back for "rescuing trafficking victims", they target indies who don't screen and they target clients that are pedos or don't do their homework.
And this was an email sent to my TER account.....not to a personal email address.
I got one of these as well, but I had a similar note in TER once before from the same agency and it was legit.
I have gotten those several times from that agency through TER PM and they were legit as well.
I am leaving out particular details as maintain privacy for former agency. But certainly be aware. Here is the email:
hi there,
I just wanted to drop a quick line to thank you for the most excellent review of *****. She had a HUGE smile on her face as she was reading it!
The next time you decide to see one of our girls please let the phone operator know that you have a free additional half hour added on to your time, on me.
Thanks again,
Agency Owner
Gentlemen, choose an indy with reviews, keep your correspondence clean, don't stand around in her parking lot looking indiscreet and further drawing attention to the fact that there a lot of professionally dressed middle aged dudes coming and going (because, remember you aren't the only one seeing her that day), and you have nothing to worry about.
Ladies, instruct your clients to remain in their vehicle until you have told them which apartment or hotel room. They should not be standing around in your parking lot where all the neighbors can see them looking lost. If you think cops are watching your incall, move immediately and do not take any more appointments at your location.
When cops bust indies down here (at least in Gwinnett, this is mainly how they operate), they contact ladies to come to their Gwinnett hotel the same day. Why would they waste time going through your vigorous screening when they are literally getting lady after lady coming to their hotel without screening? I have never read a report where the cops had references from a provider with reviews that actually checked out. They target agencies so they can pat themselves on the back for "rescuing trafficking victims", they target indies who don't screen and they target clients that are pedos or don't do their homework.
You know paranoia is setting in when hobbyists are worried about receiving FREE time with escorts.
Copied from the ACLU website:
Q. What if law enforcement officers stop me on the street? (Or, coming or going from an provider's incall or a client's outcall?)
A. You do not have to answer any questions. You can say, "I do not want to talk to you" and walk away calmly. Or, if you do not feel comfortable doing that, you can ask if you are free to go. If the answer is yes, you can consider just walking away. Do not run from the officer. If the officer says you are not under arrest, but you are not free to go, then you are being detained. Being detained is not the same as being arrested, though an arrest could follow. The police can pat down the outside of your clothing only if they have "reasonable suspicion" (i.e., an objective reason to suspect) that you might be armed and dangerous. If they search any more than this, say clearly, "I do not consent to a search." If they keep searching anyway, do not physically resist them. You do not need to answer any questions if you are detained or arrested, except that the police may ask for your name once you have been detained, and you can be arrested in some states for refusing to provide it.
Q. Do I have to answer questions if I have been arrested?
A. No. If you are arrested, you do not have to answer any questions or volunteer any information. Ask for a lawyer right away. Repeat this request to every officer who tries to talk to or question you. You should always talk to a lawyer before you decide to answer any questions.
(Seriously guys, you cannot talk yourself out. Do not say you're seeing your friend, do not say you were picking up something if cops question you outside our incalls. They want you to lie and further incriminate yourself. DO NOT TALK TO POLICE)
Ladies working out of their homes or apartments, do not let the police in without a warrant:
Q. Can law enforcement officers search my home or office? (This applies if you are a provider renting an incall from another provider)
A. Law enforcement officers can search your home only if they have a warrant or your consent. In your absence, the police can search your home based on the consent of your roommate or a guest if the police reasonably believe that person has the authority to consent. Law enforcement officers can search your office only if they have a warrant or the consent of the employer. If your employer consents to a search of your office, law enforcement officers can search your workspace whether you consent or not.
Q. What should I do if officers come to my house?
A. If law enforcement officers knock on your door, instead of opening the door, ask through the door if they have a warrant. If the answer is no, do not let them into your home and do not answer any questions or say anything other than "I do not want to talk to you." If the officers say that they do have a warrant, ask the officers to slip it under the door (or show it to you through a peephole, a window in your door, or a door that is open only enough to see the warrant). If you feel you must open the door, then step outside, close the door behind you and ask to see the warrant. Make sure the search warrant contains everything noted above, and tell the officers if they are at the wrong address or if you see some other mistake in the warrant. (And remember that an immigration "warrant of removal/deportation" does not give the officer the authority to enter your home.) If you tell the officers that the warrant is not complete or not accurate, you should say you do not consent to the search, but you should not interfere if the officers decide to do the search even after you have told them they are mistaken. Call your lawyer as soon as possible. Ask if you are allowed to watch the search; if you are allowed to, you should. Take notes, including names, badge numbers, which agency each officer is from, where they searched and what they took. If others are present, have them act as witnesses to watch carefully what is happening.
Everyone should check out the ACLU website and freshen up on knowing our rights. Maybe someday, our work will be decriminalized and we will have workers' rights like everyone else. But, until then, hobby safely and look out for each other. This hobby is relatively safe when you follow common sense and the unwritten rules of the hobby, and it is unlikely we will find ourselves in these scenarios. But, in case you do, it's good to know your rights.
Love you guys! xoxo
Miss Master Baiter
P.S. Maybe someone with the knowledge could chime in about searches of hotel rooms and our rights.
Especially loved the part telling guys not to start fast-talking with easily disproved nonsensical alibis when visited.
Find a good lawyer now and have this discussion with him. If LE does show up just hand them his card and tell them to talk to him. Think proactively.