I dont mean to cause some insane battle over this...it is just a theory I have...with no way of testing. So I am curious if it makes sense to anyone else.
There are two Cityvibe ads for gorgeous K-girls that I was trying to call to set up over the last 24 hours.
Last night I tried calling Lacie at Phone: (310) 499-3108. Message said the voice mail had too many messages. No call back after I hung up. CV ad said she was available with that little icon that pulsates like, well, you know.
Today I tried calling Goa at Phone: (310) 903-8175. The voice mail says the phone is not set up yet. Phone: (310) 499-3108 No call back after I hung up. CV ad says she is available now - with the same horny pulsating icon.
I know that sometimes the bookers call you back after you try and call; even when you cant leave a message. But that is not what is happening here. No one calls back. I am not calling from a blocked phone.
Question: Why would bookers do this? Are these girls so busy that the bookers dont want or need to answer all calls? That they cant possibly do it? Perhaps, but how does that explain a phone that is not even set up yet?
Theory: Some of these ads are for girls that do not exist here at all; these are not B&S ads. It is simply not possible, ever, to book anyone at all from these ads.
Reason: The bookers and/or Cityvibe do this because it gets us excited to see these gorgeous girls. We get worked up like that pulsating damn icon, excited to see them. When we learn they are not available, we are still worked up and wanting to see someone. So we take what we can get. We call other ads where the girls are not as gorgeous; and we make an appointment and go.
It's just a theory! Dont get into a war over it!
But I am curious if anyone thinks this theory might be correct, or not.
I haven't been called back in years after the phone rings and VM is too full to leave a message. When I text (which is most of the time) I get a reply. When I don't, I assume the phone is off and the provider is booked for the day.
It's not unusual at all to call and encounter a full VM box or a mailbox that hasn't been set up. That's happened to me when calling girls I've seen before and bookers I have dealt with. If the booker wants to take calls, they will. If they want to return your call, they will do that too.
Also, I pay zero attention to the "available" icons on CV. I notice it sometimes, but it doesn't mean anything to me whether it's on or not. I just call. I can't imagine that the icon is actually helpful.
While i am not sure who books Lacie , I am familiar with Goa's Booker who is one of the best and currently books Queenie, Halle, momo nurd , winda to name a few of the current roster.
There could be many reasons why your calls are neither picked up or responded to, I would suggest texting , and include your references so that you might get screened at the same time.
I think you are a little too Machiavellian. I cannot speak for all but I know s few of the better bookers. I know them fairly well. Birthdays, dogs, kids, presents, non professional email and a certain amount of life history etc. They are professionals. I doubt any pass up business in the manner you describe unless you have a bad reputation. Also, text is the communication of choice most of the time.
Many of us sometimes do not get a response from bookers, especially the small-time bookers, esp. male bookers, who are generally less reliable. This also happens with non k-girls. Some only respond when the icon is flashing. Text is the preferred method now, although one good agency in oc does not accept texts
As an outsider to the LA scene I have been totally frustrated by the K-girl escorts. I have thusly given up since my reviews come from respectable LA and west coast escorts that are not in this "network". In my last visit I surveyed LA board comments and contacted several of you to get access to bookers. This did not work. In addition all VM directed towards Cityvibe or Eros ads were never returned and only one in five TM were answered. Did not fare better with TER reviewed escorts. It seems that 1/3 of recent TER reviews cover K- girls. Fortunately you have some wonderful providers that are outside of this system and I remain a happy camper. I figure there is a good reason beyond me for all this to be going on and choose to move onwards.
I planned a fun trip to LA a month in advance when I started. I called from a Phoenix area code and no one picked up. I made some friends with some good bro's who helped me figure out which girls to focus on. Lastly I texted my visit plans and was contacted by one booker. She siad I would need a local reference. Fortuanately I had an in with a girl who does both la and phoenix. Its a well known thai girl. The kbooker was patient with me because 1) I was polite and respectful, and 2) I did not waste her time with a barrage of texts. Now I am in the network, and can return for a visit. I have change my hobby phone to an LA number as well. That might help to get started.
RD , you have both experience and people skill. You class and patience have been rewarded and you respected.
You can't imagine how discourteous and rude , to bookers, some of the callers are ; often displaying disdain and even bigotry towards the bookers. The bookers are trying to do a job to the best of their ability , and remember most get paid per booking , so it is in their interest to have a full book.
Posted By: Rodgerdaily
I planned a fun trip to LA a month in advance when I started. I called from a Phoenix area code and no one picked up. I made some friends with some good bro's who helped me figure out which girls to focus on. Lastly I texted my visit plans and was contacted by one booker. She siad I would need a local reference. Fortuanately I had an in with a girl who does both la and phoenix. Its a well known thai girl. The kbooker was patient with me because 1) I was polite and respectful, and 2) I did not waste her time with a barrage of texts. Now I am in the network, and can return for a visit. I have change my hobby phone to an LA number as well. That might help to get started.
For five bookers I use, they tell me to send a text to the phone number from the first k-girl I saw for that booker even though the original k-girl has not been in the states for months. I found that if I text someone new who has a new phone number, I will not get a return text. When I text the original k-girl's phone number for one of the bookers I have used and ask if they have anyone new, they reply within a few minutes, sometimes with that new k-girl's name. I am able to book immediately.
I have two types of experiences with K girls bookers. Either I get instant response within minute or I do not get any response at all. I have tried some K girls a dozen time with no response. I would say it's 50/50 so when a girl is new I have no idea if I'll be able to book her. Looks has nothing to do with response BTW. With the current turnover that I am seeing, now I have learned to not pay too much attention whether I see girl A or B. Odds are extremely high of a good time. So my strategy is like the NFL draft, I have a cluster of choices and hopefully one will be available when it's time to select.
I appreciate the replies. I assume my experiences are pretty common - there is nothing that would make me stand out as a problem for a booker, so i have no doubt that is not an issue. But apparently many of you guys rely on texting more than calling. I may try that next. I have also had easy and virtually instant access with one booker who apparently has my cell phone on his records, but a different experience when i called the same booker from a different number.
The two girls i was interested in are new...and appear to be from a different booker than the ones i have used before.
It is an odd system is all i can say. But if those two girls are for real then they seem to be worth the effort!
I just moved to LA and I am frustrated too by the lack of response when trying to make dates through K Girl bookers. Right now I am in with only one booker and she treats me well but I am limited to her stable and want to venture out. I have tried to book through texting and leaving my references, etc but it does not seem to be working. Makes me wonder if business is that good, or is the hobby phone number (which is fairly new) is the problem. Are bookers turned off by anonymous hobby phones? Fortunately the hobby scene is so much better from the small miserable market that I came from that I am very much enjoying myself.
Yeah, as a newbie to the area I'm running into the same problems. - Half the time I don't get a response. (It's hit or miss, some days I don't get a response, then I'll try the same number the next day and I will get a response) - A quarter of the time, I get a response send my info then never hear back. - And then the other part of the time, I send my responses and get rejected because I only have 1 local reference (which is a girl from Pepsi's Palace, which nobody seems to accept for some reason).
So I'm stuck in a catch-22, no local references to see anyone, and thus, no way to build my reference list. I wonder if I need to go outside the k-girl realm, but then I would wonder whether the bookers would accept non-k-girl references...
Some bookers do accept from and give references from outside the K-domain. Some will work with you using an alternative method of screening.
However, there are those who broke through through sheer perseverance , calling , texting until they got a positive response. PM me if you wish to get some suggestions.
Posted By: everfresh
Yeah, as a newbie to the area I'm running into the same problems. - Half the time I don't get a response. (It's hit or miss, some days I don't get a response, then I'll try the same number the next day and I will get a response) - A quarter of the time, I get a response send my info then never hear back. - And then the other part of the time, I send my responses and get rejected because I only have 1 local reference (which is a girl from Pepsi's Palace, which nobody seems to accept for some reason).
So I'm stuck in a catch-22, no local references to see anyone, and thus, no way to build my reference list. I wonder if I need to go outside the k-girl realm, but then I would wonder whether the bookers would accept non-k-girl references...
I saw Goa last night and saw Lacie last Friday. So obviously, unless I'm delusional, they exist. Your theory does not hold water with those two (that they don't exist.). If you PM me I will give you details since I have not reviewed.
You can't rely on the icon saying "available now!" to be current. It may have been true earlier, but they got booked out, and the icon just hasn't been addressed. It's not like it's going to be instantaneous when the girl gets booked out for the night.
I think your theory is reading to much into the "pulsing icon". The simple fact is you probably called at an inopportune time.
I also saw Goa last night - which is a somewhat odd thought. As I left the building I saw a guy with a cell phone approaching and imagined he might be next.
Regardless, my theory was definitely wrong. I now know that too.
Goa, absolutely, exists. She is very, very real.
I do not know if I will post a review, but I can say here that the best thing about meeting her was that she is nothing close to some by the book, robotic clone. She was awesome. The best thing about her was her individuality and personality which was sincere and honest and truly one of a kind. A marvelous human being, in addition to all the other great stuff!
So, yes, the K-girl system is a bit odd and difficult to understand; but there is a terrific upside when it works out. And Goa was a perfect example of it working out better than I had hoped.
As for getting thru the system, it is difficult for me to know what to say, and how and whether to deal with it. What I know for sure now is that texting works way better than calling; and that you need to be willing to provide significant personal info, which is rather scary. Not sure what to say about that...it is obviously an ongoing and serious concern. The booker here was extremely kind and considerate and pleasant, once I got thru. But it take some effort and willingness to share info, that's for sure.
I would disagree on the complexity of the K-screening system . it is very straight forward and once part of the pool of approved client carries on unentrupred unless one screws up. Once it is was instituted it was 2 , in some instances 3, references from K-dolls who had current CV ads. More recently they have opened up more to accepting work info , TER handle (they uses it to monitor reviews and board) .
At least 2 major bookers give and take references to non K-doll bookers/providers. I personally would never give my personal info to k-doll bookers, home grown independents, agencies or referral agencies, period. But I have ten luxury to have stared before the K-doll screening became strict and do not go through the ordeal others seem to go through , but my advise is to not lose courage or faith .
I do not write reviews but recognize that an honest review ,and you seem to have had a good time, would be helpful to the business of the K-dolls who are here for a limited period of time. But given that do not write reviews I nev
However , just as I would not provide personal data to to referral services, homegrown or agencies I would not provide K-bookers work and personlal info hence it may come back and bite me.
Posted By: mr.ed
No need for the PM, but thank you.
I also saw Goa last night - which is a somewhat odd thought. As I left the building I saw a guy with a cell phone approaching and imagined he might be next.
Regardless, my theory was definitely wrong. I now know that too.
Goa, absolutely, exists. She is very, very real.
I do not know if I will post a review, but I can say here that the best thing about meeting her was that she is nothing close to some by the book, robotic clone. She was awesome. The best thing about her was her individuality and personality which was sincere and honest and truly one of a kind. A marvelous human being, in addition to all the other great stuff!
So, yes, the K-girl system is a bit odd and difficult to understand; but there is a terrific upside when it works out. And Goa was a perfect example of it working out better than I had hoped.
As for getting thru the system, it is difficult for me to know what to say, and how and whether to deal with it. What I know for sure now is that texting works way better than calling; and that you need to be willing to provide significant personal info, which is rather scary. Not sure what to say about that...it is obviously an ongoing and serious concern. The booker here was extremely kind and considerate and pleasant, once I got thru. But it take some effort and willingness to share info, that's for sure.
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