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Re: If you understood this country you wouldn't have to ask that question
GiantBombing 141 reads
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Posted By: GaGambler
My only small disagreement with what you have to say on the subject is that you seem to believe that the corruption is limited to only one of the two major parties,
I can see how you might infer that from that post but that's certainly not my opinion - it's just that the sheer brazenness with which the GOP seems to be attempting to hurl democracy out of the window stood out to me in particular.  

And as for the question, well, yeah, I figured I was correct but I also wanted the confirmation of both my thoughts and that I understood the situation correctly.

bigguy30141 reads

Also they are not switching, from Trump.
He really represents everything, the GOP party really stands for as a group.
So this is all about, trying to grab more headlines, before the GOP convention.
It's the Trump way of getting attention for himself with more bs. Lol

Posted By: ChoosyCynic
Get your popcorn & booze out starting July 18.

If she has a 10+% lead by the time of the convention, watch the "dump Trump" movement gather full steam.

Posted By: bigguy30
Also they are not switching, from Trump.  
 He really represents everything, the GOP party really stands for as a group.  
 So this is all about, trying to grab more headlines, before the GOP convention.  
 It's the Trump way of getting attention for himself with more bs. Lol  
   
Posted By: ChoosyCynic
Get your popcorn & booze out starting July 18.

And then how they remake them because they don't wanna follow them. A very dangerous element to our national makeup.

Less than three weeks ago you posted  Hillary has a double digit lead.
  Unless your idea of double digit is 3 + 3 =6, her  polling numbers have dropped  substantially since the 4th of June.  

 When I'm campaigning for Mr. Trump at local Colleges and Parks I prefer to target Bernie supporters with videos of the evils of corrupt war mongering Hillary, rarely mentioning the  
 good a President Trump will bring to America.  
   I'm not surprised  many Bernie supporters claim they will not vote for evil Hillary no matter what.
   
   Every day I hear more and more  young voters claiming  they will vote for Trump. http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leighwolf/2016/06/10/video-will-bernie-supporters-vote-for-hillary-nono-they-will-not-n2176512  

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/481389/

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/22/trump-winning-over-sanders-supporters-isnt-as-crazy-as-you-think-commentary.html
 
 I expect evil crooked Hillary's popularity to fall  while Mr. Trump's popularity is gaining.  

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20160620-what-we-know-about-hope-hicks-smu-grad-and-donald-trump-s-secretive-press-secretary.ece

Posted By: ChoosyCynic
Clinton has double digit lead over Trump
Posted by ChoosyCynic, 6/4/2016 1:20:30 PM No denying Trump's had a miserable week & it's benefited HRC.

Posted By: ChoosyCynic
If she has a 10+% lead by the time of the convention, watch the "dump Trump" movement gather full steam.  
   
Posted By: bigguy30
Also they are not switching, from Trump.  
  He really represents everything, the GOP party really stands for as a group.  
  So this is all about, trying to grab more headlines, before the GOP convention.  
  It's the Trump way of getting attention for himself with more bs. Lol  
     
Posted By: ChoosyCynic
Get your popcorn & booze out starting July 18.

Forgive me, I'm not from the US or living in the US and so I'm not fully versed on how the politics there works, and so I might be misunderstanding or misinterpreting here. With that said:

Would the GOP changing their rules regarding unbound delegates not basically amount to a tacit admission that they're not actually in favour of democracy? They let the people vote for their nominee in the respective states where delegates are bound to adhere to said votes at the convention... Except when it means they end up with a guy they don't like, so now they're scrambling to rewrite the rules? Political affiliations aside that alone would make me not want to have anything to do with them; how can they claim to represent the people when they are deliberately and openly attempting to misrepresent them?

GaGambler150 reads

You would know you were right without asking. lol

but it's not just the GOP, as much as Democrats would like to deny it if Bernie were to have won the nomination "fair and square" the Super Delegates of Hillary would have accomplished the very same thing and thwarted the will of the people. The deck was stacked against Bernie from the beginning both his fans and his detractors (like me) alike knew it from the beginning.

This is a huge part of Trump's appeal to the "common man" The "establishment" is trying their level best to fuck him. To those of us who loathe and detest the establishment this is a VERY compelling reason to vote for him. My only small disagreement with what you have to say on the subject is that you seem to believe that the corruption is limited to only one of the two major parties, I maintain BOTH parties are corrupt and it's leaders are more interested in power and control than listening to the voice of the people.

Posted By: GaGambler
My only small disagreement with what you have to say on the subject is that you seem to believe that the corruption is limited to only one of the two major parties,
I can see how you might infer that from that post but that's certainly not my opinion - it's just that the sheer brazenness with which the GOP seems to be attempting to hurl democracy out of the window stood out to me in particular.  

And as for the question, well, yeah, I figured I was correct but I also wanted the confirmation of both my thoughts and that I understood the situation correctly.

GaGambler129 reads

I also have to admit, it's one of the main things I like about Trump. It's often said you can judge a man by his friends, well you can judge him by his enemies as well.

I think if Trump is to win in November, and for the record I freely admit that is a longshot, it will be by pointing out the Hillary is the very definition of being part of the establishment and that Trump is the only hope for any real change. It probably still won't be enough and Trump can also be his worst enemy, but he still has a chance if he doesn't listen to the "experts" like Cheesy.

& that doesn't need an "expert" like you or I to figure that out.

GaGambler126 reads

His chances are far from "none" Slim perhaps, but certainly not "none"

If his chances are so slim, I suppose you are going to offer me some compelling odds, right?

If she's indicted, you win, If he resigns, I win. I think that's fair.

The response to this will be very predictable.

GaGambler117 reads

but the current odds are 1-3 on Hillary.

why would I give you even odds when I can get three to one from a bookie?

Give me fair odds and I'll give you as much action as you can handle.

They have done NOTHING as yet.

But should people be stuck with a vote they would change? I think not.

Seems to me a true democracy would allow for a change to an initial grave mistake of a vote IF circumstances were so bizarrely different than they were when they cast their vote.

Are we there now? No maybe not. Could we be at some point? Of course

We might be reaching that point sooner than you'd think.

Posted By: JackDunphy
They have done NOTHING as yet.  
   
 But should people be stuck with a vote they would change? I think not.  
   
 Seems to me a true democracy would allow for a change to an initial grave mistake of a vote IF circumstances were so bizarrely different than they were when they cast their vote.  
   
 Are we there now? No maybe not. Could we be at some point? Of course.  
   
 

Which screws your 1st argument.

"The "establishment" is trying their level best to fuck him [ Trump]"

Trump has fucked over himself.

Which screws your second argument

GaGambler119 reads

I clearly said "IF" Bernie had won, which he didn't

But Bernie had a valid point when he pointed out that Hillary had hundred of super delegates BEFORE a single vote by the people had been cast. What kind of Democracy is that? (okay, I know full well the US is NOT a true Democracy, but still)

As for Trump it's not to late to put your money where your mouth is.

NOT a direct democracy; if the latter were the case, chaos would reign.

If what happens in the post comes to pass, think of it as "voter nullification". I would think quite a few Trump supporters are having 2nd thoughts &  he's starting to be seen by many of them as an unstable, ignorant, racist demagogue. That's not what the GOP wants as their standard bearer & more importantly, to lose everything in a massive landslide election.

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