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Safety vs. Silliness
Charlie Tweeder 97 Reviews 1093 reads
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I am still holding out hope that I can find 4 or 5 local ladies that I can really hit it off with and just start seeing them as opposed to new / random “dates” all the time. I have found a couple of local ladies that I had a very good time with. Yet, there are still several local ladies that I would love to see, but they seem to make it so difficult. I can understand that everyone needs to be safe, and everyone has the right to go about ensuring that safety in their own way, but I really feel like some of the local ladies make it so difficult to come see them that it is not worth it. I know there are a lot of amazing ladies in this area, and I would honestly prefer to visit local ladies than the traveling ladies; however, IMHO many of the local ladies don’t seem to want or need the business. I have seen several traveling ladies recently, as opposed to local ladies, because they have simply made the process much simpler.  

If the local ladies have all the business they need, then I am very happy for them, and just wish they would say “thanks but no thanks, I am not taking new clients”. Rather than, I am taking only the new clients that are willing to jump through a bunch of hoops or chase me down.

I have been around this community for 10 years or so, and to my knowledge have a very good reputation. If I have trouble setting up appointments, then I really feel sorry for the poor guys who are just starting out, and would like to see the highly respected local ladies.

Maybe I am the only one who has had this experience. If so, I am sorry for the rant

What is worse is when you roll the dice and jump through all the hoops and then are stood-up.  Really?  That just makes it worse for the sisterhood because a monger (IMHO) is less likely to jump through all those hoops again.

I also get what you say about some of the traveling ladies, have noticed that some now have a much more reasonable screening process.  I have a few appointments lined-up with traveling providers that I wouldn't have visited previously.  Also, a good reason to stick with agencies.

... if you can't get them on their terms and obviously for their fee. There isn't much else you can do.

Posted By: Charlie Tweeder
I am still holding out hope that I can find 4 or 5 local ladies that I can really hit it off with and just start seeing them as opposed to new / random “dates” all the time. I have found a couple of local ladies that I had a very good time with. Yet, there are still several local ladies that I would love to see, but they seem to make it so difficult. I can understand that everyone needs to be safe, and everyone has the right to go about ensuring that safety in their own way, but I really feel like some of the local ladies make it so difficult to come see them that it is not worth it. I know there are a lot of amazing ladies in this area, and I would honestly prefer to visit local ladies than the traveling ladies; however, IMHO many of the local ladies don’t seem to want or need the business. I have seen several traveling ladies recently, as opposed to local ladies, because they have simply made the process much simpler.  
   
 If the local ladies have all the business they need, then I am very happy for them, and just wish they would say “thanks but no thanks, I am not taking new clients”. Rather than, I am taking only the new clients that are willing to jump through a bunch of hoops or chase me down.  
   
 I have been around this community for 10 years or so, and to my knowledge have a very good reputation. If I have trouble setting up appointments, then I really feel sorry for the poor guys who are just starting out, and would like to see the highly respected local ladies.  
   
 Maybe I am the only one who has had this experience. If so, I am sorry for the rant.  
 

To pay their fee.

This post is about how difficult screening has become and even getting in contact with many of the very reputable local ladies.

There must be some reason for their behavior.

I don't think protesting on the board will help your cause. You know most of them are crazy anyway.

wrps07597 reads

Welcome to reality 101. The strong arm tactics of mid-western approach to LE has hit the mid Atlantic region with a vengeance and in many ways much worse. Things will be always be tough for newbies trying to see reputable providers.  

If you want to get something last minute or a newbie stick to providers who don't screen. Be aware of the risks. Remember to check reviews if you can. There are some pretty good BP providers out there but you have to dig to find them.

Of course there are risks when you give your screen information out when you consider how many guys have been outed. One board poster on here had to wipe his hobby identity away because of provider drama.

From your reviews it seems you already have seen some great local providers that I would consider go-to gals:

Sara Bently
Stevie Thunder
Tamsen Crown

and several others that I like but haven't seen.  Are you saying these providers aren't responding to your requests?

It is not setting a follow up appointment that is ever a problem. Getting the first appointment is. Stevie and Tamsen both took some work to see the first time. Very glad I saw them, but it did take a lot more work than I have had to put in to see some really great traveling ladies. Sara, which you .mentioned, very to schedule with, and not a crazy screening process. Same thing g with Marilyn. Maxwell who I just saw.

Traveling ladies are here to work & be oncall so of course they will(or should be) easy to reach/book since their reason for being here is to work.

AsianManNOVA600 reads

Ever since I joined P411 and accumulated enough OK's from highly-reviwed providers, I don't recall ever having to provide any additional info when I sent my request through P411. Almost all of them verified within a day, and most of them within hours. This is especially useful when you are on the road, and don't have time for the provider to check your references.

Unlike you, I like to see visiting providers mostly. I have two or three local providers that I see every 3 or 4 months, and that is about it. Variety is the spice of life for me. I do try to see one lovely lady from NC as often as possible because she bribes me with her beers. :)

AsianManNOVA574 reads

She can't just Okay you without your request (they just changed the rule). Before, a provider can give OK's without clients' requests. Also, a provider must respond to an OK request within a certain time limit. If she does not wish to Okay a request, she must specify a reason. Providers seem to pay more credence to P411 OK's IMO. Whitelist helps but it is definitely not a substitute for OK's/references

I am still somewhat of a newbie but have been able to accumulate a few OKs on P411. I also communicate and book my appointments through the p411 system exclusively. And I have had very smooth screening experiences. p411 is by far the best investment I've made when it comes to this great hobby.

I screen the guy only to have him, at the very last minute, specifically say things that mean "Can I exchange money for sex with you" like "are you gfe, give bbbj, can I lick your coochie" etc... It ruins it and I can't see them.  The only way I talk specifics about an appointment, or send requested dirty texts and stuff, is if I've seen you already.  

If I haven't seen you, I feel like screened or not, it's risky for me.  And sometimes, after the guy has sent screening info, I further check him out with my resources, only to find out other girls have had bad experiences with him like not showing up, being aggressive, shorting the rate by $50 or whatever.  Again, that makes me not take the appointment.  Or if when I talk to you on the day of the appointment and you're a A-hole on the phone, makes me realize we just won't get along well in person.

I guess I'm saying, don't jump through the hoops only to shoot yourself in the foot at the last minute.  I'm not saying you're doing that because you didn't go into that much detail so I don't know

it has to be easy. I'm not jumping through hoops for an escort. They have their rules, I have mine. I miss out on some ladies that have strict screening( I use P411. If a provider isn't a member I don't see them) or ask for personal info but I don't care. NHNF

 
 

Posted By: Charlie Tweeder
I am still holding out hope that I can find 4 or 5 local ladies that I can really hit it off with and just start seeing them as opposed to new / random “dates” all the time. I have found a couple of local ladies that I had a very good time with. Yet, there are still several local ladies that I would love to see, but they seem to make it so difficult. I can understand that everyone needs to be safe, and everyone has the right to go about ensuring that safety in their own way, but I really feel like some of the local ladies make it so difficult to come see them that it is not worth it. I know there are a lot of amazing ladies in this area, and I would honestly prefer to visit local ladies than the traveling ladies; however, IMHO many of the local ladies don’t seem to want or need the business. I have seen several traveling ladies recently, as opposed to local ladies, because they have simply made the process much simpler.  
   
 If the local ladies have all the business they need, then I am very happy for them, and just wish they would say “thanks but no thanks, I am not taking new clients”. Rather than, I am taking only the new clients that are willing to jump through a bunch of hoops or chase me down.  
   
 I have been around this community for 10 years or so, and to my knowledge have a very good reputation. If I have trouble setting up appointments, then I really feel sorry for the poor guys who are just starting out, and would like to see the highly respected local ladies.  
   
 Maybe I am the only one who has had this experience. If so, I am sorry for the rant.  
 

Here's my example. A couple of years ago I was a newbie (well, not exactly, but for the higher end ladies I was trying to step up to). I did my research on TER (VIP membership is worth the cost, certainly if you are contemplating $500/hr+) and found a lady I was really interested in seeing. Since she was well-reviewed and reputable, I had no qualms about providing the info requested on her screening form. I had no references, no P411 certification, no TER track record. Nonetheless, the screening information I provided allowed the lady to develop enough comfort wrt safety, LE, etc. to schedule the first appointment. Bottom line: It worked out great and I have been seeing her very happily on a regular basis for 2+ years. The moral of this story is that if one does one's homework and is confident that the lady is the real deal, then what's the problem with providing the info she needs to feel safe?

I really don't understand, if someone has several reviews and several white listings, why would a lady still need 3 or 4 references?  

I hate having to give references over and over as, I don't like bugging the ladies that I have met. I can understand wanting to talk to a reference to just some info, but 3 or 4 seems excessive. I am really believing that white listings are fairly worthless.

I agree that providing multiple additional references probably doesn't add much value in your case, but there are still many legitimate reasons beyond safety for a lady to want other types of additional screening information. For example, she could have another profession or other civilian activities that she would prefer to keep separate from her escorting. It would be very awkward meeting a gentleman and discovering he's a member of her church group!

I doubt that any provider worth her salt would feel "bugged" by you or by another provider in regards to a reference, so I wouldn't worry about it. We ask for and respond to reference requests all the time. This is part of what we do in this line of work. It is expected. It is not a nuisance as long as it is provided with adequate time to respond (like at least a few days).

how do you know how the safety of your info will be kept?

can't trust what people say on a website.

Posted By: Ric330
Here's my example. A couple of years ago I was a newbie (well, not exactly, but for the higher end ladies I was trying to step up to). I did my research on TER (VIP membership is worth the cost, certainly if you are contemplating $500/hr+) and found a lady I was really interested in seeing. Since she was well-reviewed and reputable, I had no qualms about providing the info requested on her screening form. I had no references, no P411 certification, no TER track record. Nonetheless, the screening information I provided allowed the lady to develop enough comfort wrt safety, LE, etc. to schedule the first appointment. Bottom line: It worked out great and I have been seeing her very happily on a regular basis for 2+ years. The moral of this story is that if one does one's homework and is confident that the lady is the real deal, then what's the problem with providing the info she needs to feel safe?

the locals know the scene here better and know more about the risks very often and in my opinion are safer to visit

it is my considered opinion that the more rigorously an agency or provider screens the safer she is to see....

your dichotomy ought to read:   "convenience versus risk".....

I've had a few near misses -  all with easy screeners...    

never ever a problem with those who screen diligently....

as in all things, in this case,  patience and persistence are virtues....

That a lady should easily be able to look at my profile here, and know that I am legit. She should be able to look at my white listings from very reputable ladies, and know that I am not dangerous or crazy.

and give out your handle - how are you going to prove that you are "you" ?

second - how does she know that you have not been busted and given LE access to your account?

third - there have been monger accounts created by LE which contained "reviews" of providers they had not seen or of non-existent providers

your TER profile alone means nothing...  and in fact in many cases I would not even advise using it in screenin

This time your just wrong.

If I send an email to lady asking about scheduling a date, and at that time let her know who I am on TER, and that I will be sending her a PM from TER proving that its me. Then in the PM, I mention the email, that can't be faked. If she wants to check me out at that point, she has a lot of info at her disposal. If she needs additional info, no problem, but I shouldn't need P411 or any other service to prove I am legit.

I also prefer to let the ladies know who I am from TER, as then they can check me out. I have written enough reviews, and post enough that you could get a decent feel for who I am, if you cared to. I have had one lady write back, and say that she would rather not see me, she didn't think we would be a good fit. I appreciated that as it saved us both from disappointment. I don't expect every lady to want to see me or for every lady to think that we would click. I appreciate it when a lady is upfront and let's me know she doesn't think its a fit. It has only happened once, and I wouldn't expect it very often, as I am very laid back and very easy to get along with.

I am not nieve enough to believe that this method should work for everyone, but I think that with a lengthy history, and great reputation it should work for me.

because LE has set up accounts here and

mongers have been busted and given LE access to their accounts

but more importantly -

I would say that giving your TER handle out in screening is in most cases a bad idea anyway -

if she does not like your review you have left yourself open to blacklisting or other drama

if you are giving out your TER handle along with your real name for screening - not a good idea
many of us are already too high profile here with our number of reviews and board posts - if she has problems down the road you don't want information falling into the wrong hands that connects your TER handle to other verification information

anyone who thinks TER membership is adequate screening or even good for screening really has their head in the sand.....  and is asking for trouble

TER is a great resource for *us* to screen providers - but not the other way around....

Posted By: MarkusKetterman
because LE has set up accounts here and  
   
 mongers have been busted and given LE access to their accounts  
   
 but more importantly -  
   
 I would say that giving your TER handle out in screening is in most cases a bad idea anyway -  
   
 if she does not like your review you have left yourself open to blacklisting or other drama  
   
 if you are giving out your TER handle along with your real name for screening - not a good idea  
 many of us are already too high profile here with our number of reviews and board posts - if she has problems down the road you don't want information falling into the wrong hands that connects your TER handle to other verification information  
   
 anyone who thinks TER membership is adequate screening or even good for screening really has their head in the sand.....  and is asking for trouble  
   
 TER is a great resource for *us* to screen providers - but not the other way around....
Not hard for someone to figure out who you are based on reviews. I mean if you say you saw a girl 10x in 2 months and she really doesn't get a lot of repeats you are exposed.

DA_Flex535 reads

is when I get blind sided with the verification process when I'm practically at the door.  I arranged an appointment with one provider over the phone who did not ask me for any verification data until I was outside her hotel.  She wanted me to to take a picture of my business card or other identifying info and text it to her over the phone.  In this day and age, I do not do that under any circumstance.  So I ended up wasting my time driving to her location, when she could have asked up front.  

Posted By: Charlie Tweeder
I am still holding out hope that I can find 4 or 5 local ladies that I can really hit it off with and just start seeing them as opposed to new / random “dates” all the time. I have found a couple of local ladies that I had a very good time with. Yet, there are still several local ladies that I would love to see, but they seem to make it so difficult. I can understand that everyone needs to be safe, and everyone has the right to go about ensuring that safety in their own way, but I really feel like some of the local ladies make it so difficult to come see them that it is not worth it. I know there are a lot of amazing ladies in this area, and I would honestly prefer to visit local ladies than the traveling ladies; however, IMHO many of the local ladies don’t seem to want or need the business. I have seen several traveling ladies recently, as opposed to local ladies, because they have simply made the process much simpler.  
   
 If the local ladies have all the business they need, then I am very happy for them, and just wish they would say “thanks but no thanks, I am not taking new clients”. Rather than, I am taking only the new clients that are willing to jump through a bunch of hoops or chase me down.  
   
 I have been around this community for 10 years or so, and to my knowledge have a very good reputation. If I have trouble setting up appointments, then I really feel sorry for the poor guys who are just starting out, and would like to see the highly respected local ladies.  
   
 Maybe I am the only one who has had this experience. If so, I am sorry for the rant.  
 

Everyone has the right to determine his or her threshold of comfort, especially when it comes to screening.

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