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u may be right Johny or it may line up the way alcohol prohibition did - urban vs, rural.  The fact is that by not regulating the industry, they are supporting the traffickers.  The more illrgal the better the returns.

Tall69691899 reads

To my fellow DC'ers.  Most of you may already be aware of this being the astute Hobbyist that you are but those who were not, like me, the following is worth your attention.

I'm in the Chi on business and found this thread on the local Chi board.

Looks like I better develop my "ATF" and UTR lists for the apparent coming crack down.  

Noteable quotes from the article if you don't have time to read it:

- "Federal authorities have taken notice and started cracking down on Internet-enabled sex."

- "The FBI recently shut down a Bay Area website that had for a decade operated as a marketplace to connect customers and sex workers."

- "Now sex workers have become more fearful of taking on new clients without any way to check their backgrounds. Some are even referring to it as the "Hooker-pocalypse."

- "With MyRedbook's FBI shutdown, sex workers are definitely financially struggling,"

Related Link: http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=180084&boardID=1...

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DCTom75676 reads

Well that's just fantastic.  I am already finding it hard to be screened for a couple women I've always wanted to see. I wonder if BP will become a haven for LE stings.

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ILoveSexyWomen644 reads

where the HQ and servers of the websites that got closed down were located?

I'm NOT an attorney, but from what I've learned by asking attorneys, if the HQ and/or servers are not within the jurisdiction of the USA and/or the country where they reside does not cooperate, there isn't much LE here in the USA can do about it.

I could be completely wrong on this (I realize asking attorneys is no guarantee of anything, especially if this is not their area of practice) but it does pose an interesting scenario does it not?

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MarkusKetterman696 reads

just as in real estate - it makes a difference

both TER and P411 are not located within US jurisdiction....

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bunza534 reads

Good advice Tall.  The effects of the recent shutdown in No Cal are Real and Dramatic.

The scary part from the USA Today article is:  Authorities have taken notice (and so, it seems, has the media).  
 
If there is to be a wide-spread crack-down, there is some comfort in knowing that entities like P411 (and TER, I believe) are based outside of the country; And such activities are Legal where they are based.  While it is not risk-free because of possible domestic coercion, if there's a choice of a domestic entity to fill the need or an off-shore entity, I'd rather take my chances with the off-shore one.

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4766966508 reads

There has been a lot of coverage.  Attached is a link to the Electronic Frontier Foundation article.  It is becoming a big civil liberties issue.

For those of you who have iTunes, there is a Whore Cast out.  Just go to the iTunes store and type "thewhorecast" into the search box.  The first one on the list is "Fall of MyRedbook.com".  The Whore Cast includes an interview with Kate Conger, an editor at the SF Weekly and the SF Examiner.  It is free and recommended.  The very charming Whore Cast host is Siouxsie Q, only one review on TER but, a couple of sources tell me that she is exactly what she claims to be - "a real whore who is sweet as apple pie and dirty as a dime store novel".

A major part of the problem is the evangelical/anti-trafficking/fundraising complex.  The prostitute prohibitionist probably make more money from donations of people who have been convinced that they should contribute to the anti-trafficking cause than the traffickers.  They raise lots of money to pay themselves nice large non-profit supported salaries.  If they wanted to end trafficking, they would come up with a workable regulatory plan; however, truly ending it would cut into their fundraising and they are not about to give that up.  

I need to stop this rant and have a martini; although the prohibitionist probably want to get rid of booze as well.  We know how that worked out

Related Link: http://https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/07/whose-redbook-why-everyone-should-be-conce...

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JohnyComeAlready480 reads

isn't the "evangelical/anti-trafficking/fundraising complex" aligned with both sides of government.

Evangelical on the conservative side. Anti trafficking on the liberal side.
 

Posted By: 4766966
There has been a lot of coverage.  Attached is a link to the Electronic Frontier Foundation article.  It is becoming a big civil liberties issue.  
   
 For those of you who have iTunes, there is a Whore Cast out.  Just go to the iTunes store and type "thewhorecast" into the search box.  The first one on the list is "Fall of MyRedbook.com".  The Whore Cast includes an interview with Kate Conger, an editor at the SF Weekly and the SF Examiner.  It is free and recommended.  The very charming Whore Cast host is Siouxsie Q, only one review on TER but, a couple of sources tell me that she is exactly what she claims to be - "a real whore who is sweet as apple pie and dirty as a dime store novel".  
   
 A major part of the problem is the evangelical/anti-trafficking/fundraising complex.  The prostitute prohibitionist probably make more money from donations of people who have been convinced that they should contribute to the anti-trafficking cause than the traffickers.  They raise lots of money to pay themselves nice large non-profit supported salaries.  If they wanted to end trafficking, they would come up with a workable regulatory plan; however, truly ending it would cut into their fundraising and they are not about to give that up.  
   
 I need to stop this rant and have a martini; although the prohibitionist probably want to get rid of booze as well.  We know how that worked out.  
 

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4766966407 reads

u may be right Johny or it may line up the way alcohol prohibition did - urban vs, rural.  The fact is that by not regulating the industry, they are supporting the traffickers.  The more illrgal the better the returns.

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girlfan1959470 reads

Tall6969 makes good points, and to those taking comfort in non-U.S. incorporation of business, think again.

The FBI or any local LE agency that cares to can just join (and probably already has joined) any sites they want to prioritize. They don't need to crash in through the skylight and send SWAT teams through the door with guns blazing or even get help from the NSA. They can just create the escort and client profiles they need, roll up enough people, and the website will implode on its own, at least in that jurisdiction.

Also, even if a site is incorporated in North Korea, they may well have U.S. administrators or other employees or other operations that can be targeted.

Sites that want to live long and prosper should stay away from other criminal activity, especially underage or trafficking prostitution, and be discreet. There probably wasn't much anyone could do to avoid the heroin/Google Exec killer, so some good luck is needed too.  

This is a public website! Be careful! Nobody needs a subpoena to see anything written here.

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Life410338 reads

Posted By: girlfan1959
Tall6969 makes good points, and to those taking comfort in non-U.S. incorporation of business, think again.  
   
 The FBI or any local LE agency that cares to can just join (and probably already has joined) any sites they want to prioritize. They don't need to crash in through the skylight and send SWAT teams through the door with guns blazing or even get help from the NSA. They can just create the escort and client profiles they need, roll up enough people, and the website will implode on its own, at least in that jurisdiction.  
   
 Also, even if a site is incorporated in North Korea, they may well have U.S. administrators or other employees or other operations that can be targeted.  
   
 Sites that want to live long and prosper should stay away from other criminal activity, especially underage or trafficking prostitution, and be discreet. There probably wasn't much anyone could do to avoid the heroin/Google Exec killer, so some good luck is needed too.  
   
 This is a public website! Be careful! Nobody needs a subpoena to see anything written here.
 
This website is fictional stories for entertainment :-)

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