That when I told the guy I would pass because no money is worth the risk of Aids or Hiv. He told me that is mostly for the homo. His words! Not that those are the only things to worry about but there are plenty of straight people that have aids and hiv and you cannot tell just by looking at someone!
I have always dealt with guys wanting Bare back. It's rare, but it does happen. Most of time it's in person and I have no problem telling them like it is, because I will not do it. Repeat: I WILL NOT BARE BACK AT ALL! So any guys reading this, if that's your thing, do not contact me! I don't care how many potential clients I miss out on because no amount of money is worth the risk!
I had a gentleman contact me by email asking if my ad on P411 that states 'ultimate girlfriend' if I defined it like urban dictionary did. I looked it up and I was totally offended. This guy had never contacted me before. In his email he states that he was recently tested. I don't give a crap! What about the civie chick you might of hooked up with at the bar last night. I don't know him and he doesn't know me. STDs can go both ways.
Then today I had a guy contact me that had seen a friend of mine. We were settling on a time and then when I thought we were confirming everything he sent me a message and told me since he was a long time client of someone I knew that he wanted to let me know ahead of time that he hates condoms and asked if I was ok with that. Hell no! What did he think because someone I knew had known him for a long time would make me be ok with bareback? I have guys that I've seen since I've been in the business and bare back isn't happening with them so what the hell makes him so special?
I understand bare back does happen, but I will never understand it. No amount of money is worth having a life long STD. Even if you were tested last night, there are some STDs that have incubation periods and you could still have something even though you tested negative. Condoms are not even a sure thing. They take the risk way down but there's still a risk.
I'm pissed and offended to say the least about all of this. Ladies if you want the email or number of either one of these guy (I cannot call them gentleman!) please PM, call, or text me and I will share their information.
Thanks for listening to me rant.
Again any guy looking for bareback, don't waste your time contacting me! It will not happen!
MUAH
Cristin Sparks
PS: Play Smart and Play Safe!
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so the bareback happens a lot, generally.
The hobby is a place where sexually active, a little freaky, high strung men and women gather to get sexually active with each other using cash as opposed to alcohol as a facilitator. When the deed is in the bag so to speak, it is not surprising there are men that want this service nor is it
surprising that a provider would offer it to keep a client or increase her rate?
The first guy asked based on urban dicktionary's description of gfe to see if you did sans wrapper. He was right to clarify, nothing to be offended over.
The second guy figured birds of a feather flock together based on your friend presumably offering up the rawdog. Will you name her so guys aren't trapped into doing the bareback against their will? Ensnared by her feminine wiles?
No, I'm not condoning or advocating bareback fucking, even if the provider offers bbbj which is clearly different. I too believe the risk of sex sans condom with a stranger is stupid as well. While your limits and boundries must be respected at all times you should know that when it comes to sex people will ask or beg for just about anything.
This post is not meant to be disrespectful but to add to the discussion.
Count de Monet
and be happy!
Well said... If a provider who has been in the hobby over a year is "outraged" that a hobbyist asked them for BBFS they are completely naive, overly sensitive, or want attention. Not that I am advocating it, but this is discussed on the boards so frequently and when they are disucssed the threads are so long ... no provider shou be "offended" or "shocked" by such a request.
Seriously, if someone is asking something you dont do WELCOME TO THE HOBBY. Things that some providers do that others dont you may get asked: BBFS, Golden showers, Cuckold, Threesome, Anal, CIM, S&M, etc etc etc... If it is asked and you dont do it and think its reprehensible and risky DONT DO IT. I personally feel there is no. discussion to.(yes I know I ended that sentence with a preposition grammar nazis out there).
No I worded my post to leave my friend out of it. I know my friend doesn't do bareback either. I can only assume that the guy thought if he made it sound like she did it then I would. She is my friend did he think I wouldn't call her and tell her what he said!
I very seriously doubt any lady would force a guy into bareback. Sure there are lady's that offer it to keep clients but to force it is just a death wish!
Like I said I've dealt with it since I've been in the business. Even had a long time regular of ATF club try to bare back me without asking. When I call him out and the lady that ran ATFclub she told me there was no way he would do. This was on my first day there and it was my last!
I'm not surprised that guys ask or bed for. What is surprising me is that these are before they even meet me. In a way it's better for me. At least they showed their colors with me before I got alone with them.
I needed to vent and that's what I did. I also want to warn ladies of these two guys.
Your friend doesn't offer bbfs? Oh right. She told you.
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I've never came out and asked any lady if they offer BBFS. I've had talks with a lot of them about how crazy having BBFS is. I went off on the guy as soon as he mentioned it. However, my friend was in a session and I couldn't speak with her at that moment. As soon as I got her on the phone and ask her for an honest answer I went off on the guy defending her. I wasn't going to assume anything. I know it happens more than I can even imagine probably. But yes I trust a close friend over some John that I haven't even met.
Like I said I think it was a pathetic attempt of his to try to make me think if someone else did it with him that I would be ok with it. He never came out and said my friend did BBFS with him. His message was 'since Im a long time client of her I want to let you know upfront that I really dislike condoms. Is that ok?' I wasn't even sure if he was looking for BBFS at first. It could have been that he was just clarifying that I offered BBBJ. I made sure to clarify before things went down hill. He had told me at the beginning of the week that he would be in contact when his schedule opened up after his initial contact with me. He text me yesterday wanting a last minute appt in Atlanta. I didn't even want to take it because I was headed back to Chattanooga yesterday afternoon. But with the time he wanted I had enough time to head to Atlanta and do the session then be able to make my appointments in Chattanooga yesterday. The guy was probably banking on that I couldn't get ahold of my girlfriend before we started the session.
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I very seriously doubt any lady would force a guy into bareback. Sure there are lady's that offer it to keep clients but to force it is just a death wish!
No, I would not name the provider.
I would never do bareback and would never meet with a provider if I knew she offered bareback!
Some people are just nuts!
They like playing roulette, what they don't understand is they'll crap out eventually.
I would differ with you on one thing, I wouldn't pass on a provider who does have unprotected sex, I'm not that naive I figure 97% of providers have a bf or husband that they fuck unprotected.
The legend Mr Fisher said it best, you can't control someone's willingness to protect themselves but you have the control to protect yourself by using protection.
That when I told the guy I would pass because no money is worth the risk of Aids or Hiv. He told me that is mostly for the homo. His words! Not that those are the only things to worry about but there are plenty of straight people that have aids and hiv and you cannot tell just by looking at someone!
This is probably the most annoying issue, question that I receive. And especially when you go and make all the arrangements for your date and then they pop up that question because that is an absolute deal breaker.
We all take a risk in this industry why make it worse, that question will be the question that will make me never see a gentleman.
But I'm glad it's a deal breaker. I really don't want anything to do with a guy like that. I know I can't know how every client is. But one that wants to act that way before I even meet them, there is no telling how they would be in session. So in a way it's better for me to have to deal with it beforehand.
Thanks pretty lady! And remember gentlemen would not act that way. They would respect our boundaries and should really have similar boundaries of their own.
You can't really beat your chest too much about how safe and risk averse you are when you are in this chosen profession. Just saying.
I know there is risk even with condoms. We are all taking a risk by being in this hobby. Why significantly increase that risk just to have more sensation? The guy yesterday claimed he couldn't finish that way. There are other ways to finish. I stated in my OP that I understand even condoms are 100% in protecting us. But you have to agree that they significantly reduce our risk if we play safely. Do you not agree?
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Yes we r in a business that is risky and i can only speak for myself, but why would I go and put myself at risk even more?????
YES COVERS SUCK, but what would suck much more is getting an incurable disease.
We seek pleasure so if asked in the heat of the moment (once) I can get pass that
,but to just asking me to go BB along with famous quotes like "condoms sucks"......Duhh thanks for the news breaking report.
Bottom line....
I as a provider. My #1 priority to keep myself as safe as possible, and if a guy goes around asking for service , he is probably getting it with ones who don't care.
There is already enough b.s. out there let keep
This hobby clean, for everyone
Well they don't have respect for their life or your life.
It's too much of this in our hobby and very dangerous!
I wish more providers would come out and voice your stance!
I had a gentleman contact me by email asking if my ad on P411 that states 'ultimate girlfriend' if I defined it like urban dictionary did. I looked it up and I was totally offended. This guy had never contacted me before. In his email he states that he was recently tested. I don't give a crap! What about the civie chick you might of hooked up with at the bar last night. I don't know him and he doesn't know me. STDs can go both ways.
Then today I had a guy contact me that had seen a friend of mine. We were settling on a time and then when I thought we were confirming everything he sent me a message and told me since he was a long time client of someone I knew that he wanted to let me know ahead of time that he hates condoms and asked if I was ok with that. Hell no! What did he think because someone I knew had known him for a long time would make me be ok with bareback? I have guys that I've seen since I've been in the business and bare back isn't happening with them so what the hell makes him so special?
I understand bare back does happen, but I will never understand it. No amount of money is worth having a life long STD. Even if you were tested last night, there are some STDs that have incubation periods and you could still have something even though you tested negative. Condoms are not even a sure thing. They take the risk way down but there's still a risk.
I'm pissed and offended to say the least about all of this. Ladies if you want the email or number of either one of these guy (I cannot call them gentleman!) please PM, call, or text me and I will share their information.
Thanks for listening to me rant.
Again any guy looking for bareback, don't waste your time contacting me! It will not happen!
MUAH
Cristin Sparks
PS: Play Smart and Play Safe!
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Thanks you very much. I knew I would take some heat for this post and I was prepared for it. I always do when I post to vent to get something off my chest. But really with this being a private part of most of our lives, where else do I have to vent to. Thanks for the helpful and thoughtful responses and PMs. I really do appreciate it. Even just writing my post helped me feel better whether anyone had responded or not.
It's too much of this in our hobby and very dangerous!
I wish more providers would come out and voice your stance!
I had a gentleman contact me by email asking if my ad on P411 that states 'ultimate girlfriend' if I defined it like urban dictionary did. I looked it up and I was totally offended. This guy had never contacted me before. In his email he states that he was recently tested. I don't give a crap! What about the civie chick you might of hooked up with at the bar last night. I don't know him and he doesn't know me. STDs can go both ways.
Then today I had a guy contact me that had seen a friend of mine. We were settling on a time and then when I thought we were confirming everything he sent me a message and told me since he was a long time client of someone I knew that he wanted to let me know ahead of time that he hates condoms and asked if I was ok with that. Hell no! What did he think because someone I knew had known him for a long time would make me be ok with bareback? I have guys that I've seen since I've been in the business and bare back isn't happening with them so what the hell makes him so special?
I understand bare back does happen, but I will never understand it. No amount of money is worth having a life long STD. Even if you were tested last night, there are some STDs that have incubation periods and you could still have something even though you tested negative. Condoms are not even a sure thing. They take the risk way down but there's still a risk.
I'm pissed and offended to say the least about all of this. Ladies if you want the email or number of either one of these guy (I cannot call them gentleman!) please PM, call, or text me and I will share their information.
Thanks for listening to me rant.
Again any guy looking for bareback, don't waste your time contacting me! It will not happen!
MUAH
Cristin Sparks
PS: Play Smart and Play Safe!
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That providers being asked for BBFS is "just part of the game" I say that's BULLSHIT.
It is incumbent on any responsible hobbyist to have done his homework (read reviews, web sites and ads) and know what the provider offers.
COF, CIM, Greek, S&M etc. are part of the providers profile (which providers are responsible for keeping accurate) and as such I see no problem in asking about those activities if they are listed as "Don't know" and the providers website/ads does not cover that information (of course in a discreet manner if not being asked in person). Even if in reviews a hobbyist say that CIM (as an example) occurred but it is not listed in the providers profile as available (either "Don't know or No) then checking before "popping off" is the correct approach after all hobbyist may sometimes embellish a bit in a review. Many times a provider will let a hobbyist where she would like him to make his "deposit" or tell him to travel to foreign lands (if she desires) or pull her hair/smack her ass, etc in the heat of the moment , always follow that lead.
BBFS is in a completely different category along with things like yellow/brown/red sports, etc. If a provider offers these types of activities it is incumbent on that provider to make known they are available NOT for the hobbyist ask about it. It should be handled as a specialty market. A responsible/respectable hobbyist should ALWAYS expect that specialty market activities/services are always OFF THE TABLE unless the provider specifically lists them.
EOL
The point is this fucking topic is dead.. you have someone every blue moon who wants attention and some morale high great that jumps up and yells ... BBFS IS THE DEVIL!!! Then the choir jumps in and yells amen... and they gather and discuss how bad it is...
If you are a provider and just are simply .. shocked, outrage and even worse wants to get on here and gossip and trade hobbyist information because they asked you for BBFS .. you are just looking to either stay relevant or bored. Seriously, I think most people agree that BBFS is a different risk category, most would agree there are providers who offer, and I would say most providers(pure speculation) probably have been asked for BBFS. So trying to start this lynch mob of outrage, under the guise of "looking out for the hobby" i so childish and transparent that it borders on absurd.
Here is what announcing that you plan on sharing hobbyist phone numbers emails and personal information because they asked that of you will get you... fewer ppl who dont even want BBFS to fuck with you at all. I dont know Christin never had dealing with her... never asked her for anything and she definitely isnt referencing me; so i dont have a dog in the fight.. but i do know bullshit when i see it.
Some may agree some may disagree... feel free to put me on your "will not see" list as the moment you start saying you are passing ppl information around ... is the moment i put you on mine.
Christin's point was that she was insulted and irritated that two individuals asked for BBFS and one of those had insulted her friend by implying that BBFS was available from that friend. She was making in known that this happened and that she would provide information about these individuals to other providers if they desired it. This is part of what this board is about... SAFETY. I personally know several providers (Christin is not one of them yet) who will no longer see individuals who inquire about BBFS because in their experience these individuals have a very high probability of attempting to get BBFS during an appointment.
Your first response was in the vein of many of your responses to providers, insulting and demeaning. You basically said that she was either being a cry baby or was looking for attention. While I do not know her personally I know many who do and those are terms I have never heard used to describe her.
Your second post was just more of the same bile with insult or two thrown in my direction just because I don't tow your line.
You are not the first on this board with a almost constant stream of negativity and I am sure you will not be the last.
It is unfortunate in this life we must deal with people, such as you, who's seeming only way to find enjoyment is it try and bring others down.
So when ladies come here to post we are just looking for attention? Maybe your one of the reason that most ladies don't post here.
And I don't just pass anyones information along. I don't even ask for much information in screening when a gentleman can provide references. I don't want people asking for my information so I can definitely understand a gentleman not wanting to share too much information either and I respect that. I don't just blast people for asking for BBFS. I've actually never done it. These two particular cases were different and IMO letting other ladies know was needed. If that yet again loses me on potential clients that is fine. I do care about the ladies safety. I didn't post every detail of these conversations because my post was already lengthy so it's not as simple to say that I blast anyone for asking for BBFS and that alone.
If your a respectful gentleman why would you even worry about anyone trying to blast you?
If you are a provider and just are simply .. shocked, outrage and even worse wants to get on here and gossip and trade hobbyist information because they asked you for BBFS .. you are just looking to either stay relevant or bored. Seriously, I think most people agree that BBFS is a different risk category, most would agree there are providers who offer, and I would say most providers(pure speculation) probably have been asked for BBFS. So trying to start this lynch mob of outrage, under the guise of "looking out for the hobby" i so childish and transparent that it borders on absurd.
Here is what announcing that you plan on sharing hobbyist phone numbers emails and personal information because they asked that of you will get you... fewer ppl who dont even want BBFS to fuck with you at all. I dont know Christin never had dealing with her... never asked her for anything and she definitely isnt referencing me; so i dont have a dog in the fight.. but i do know bullshit when i see it.
Some may agree some may disagree... feel free to put me on your "will not see" list as the moment you start saying you are passing ppl information around ... is the moment i put you on mine.
First you dont speak for other ladies... when you say "ladies post on here looking for attention" you speak for yourself and yes I am saying you are looking for attention. Secondly, I clearly dont decided what is put on the board... but I do reserve the right to criticize a post on the board.
post their names on the provider board. I know other ladies would like to be on the look out. I have a good friend provider that had this similar situation lately. Shit I don't like condoms either but would never ask for BBFS. Now a blow job is a different story. Everyone get a condom and get laid- Cheers from the lake.
in HealthDay from Christopher Hurt, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill: “I would say that the risk of STD transmission through oral sex is underappreciated and underestimated."
Months back so chances are she was barebacking with someone. But yes it does happen in the industry and my experience was with two providers offering bb as long as I did not come inside them. Needless to say using a condom is the safest way. I just miss the 70's and part of the 80's when everything was bbfs.
But my personal life is my business and no one else's.
that's the point. Everybody is barebacking some one at some point in time, and it goes on in the hobby...a lot. From bp princesses to high end courtesans. No judgments are needed.
wrapping it up will lower your risk factors for so many things.