so all you fellas who hate to give up your screening info... do you think we ask for reasons to entertain ourselves? among many reasons... perhaps we want to make sure you're not our neighbors or high school crushes or our girlfriends' "boyfriend, ex, son, or whatever", or worse... a f-king cousin or uncle....
bottom line! c'mon fellas! cooperate
back to the hockey game now oops! I was watching wrestling! damn, now there's jazz.....
that damn rabbit attachment! I hit send like 5 times hahahahaha
This hobby is a lot about instant gratification, and filling out forms and playing the waiting game isn't fun. Its about personal 'safety' on this end of that e-mail, too. With an agency, you only have to go through this once, and then its kid in a candy store time...all the time.
Wrote a lot more, but you can PM me for my thoughts.
I read your requirements for screening - I found them quite reasonable. The two provider requirement, I get, but you would have to be a fairly active monger to have two RECENT providers that 1) don't mind being a reference and 2) that would actually remember you and 3) Which leads me to the fact that one's information isn't deleted after screening - its retained for various reasons, including providing a reference.
While I understand a P411 account can be hacked, made fake, etc, Its a history of activity and name verified by identifying card of some sorts.
Maybe a better 'business' model is for a provider to reference a client to another provider directly.
interesting, since you seem to have a reflective mind perhaps above the ladies, why don't you suggest the business model for US providers? you got me curious now Sx
This is a business, and its choices on how you want to run your business. If you want to be independent, then you will run into limitations of an independent business. If you want to be part of an agency, there are advantages and disadvantages to that, too. I don't know the business, but I would guess you have more access to a greater number of clientele with an agency - but you'll also be competing against other girls/women in the agency. Plus the agency will take its share for scheduling, providing hotel, amenities, etc. (again depending on the agency).
There is no perfect business model, just what works best for the individual. Just like in the 'real' world. Some people want to own their own business, others are happy working for an employer.
From a client's perspective, its easier for me to call up an agency that Ive built up a relationship and schedule a same day date, than going through the screening and pre-planning for a date with an independent. Related to the real world, impulse purchase versus planned purchase.
The only right or wrong is measured by the bottom line.
I have a difficult time dealing with people who dont provide screening info, and I get overwhelmed at times, but I really love that I get to spend extra time with my clients and not have to watch a clock. Even better, being able to charge less but keep what I make and offer discounts to regulars.
I understand the frustration of needing something immediately, so Im a reasonable sort who relies on Date-Check & Preferred411 history. I try to set people up with an account if they do not have one.
This hobby is a lot about instant gratification, and filling out forms and playing the waiting game isn't fun. Its about personal 'safety' on this end of that e-mail, too. With an agency, you only have to go through this once, and then its kid in a candy store time...all the time.
Wrote a lot more, but you can PM me for my thoughts.
I read your requirements for screening - I found them quite reasonable. The two provider requirement, I get, but you would have to be a fairly active monger to have two RECENT providers that 1) don't mind being a reference and 2) that would actually remember you and 3) Which leads me to the fact that one's information isn't deleted after screening - its retained for various reasons, including providing a reference.
While I understand a P411 account can be hacked, made fake, etc, Its a history of activity and name verified by identifying card of some sorts.
Maybe a better 'business' model is for a provider to reference a client to another provider directly.
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well to address your reference question you have to be memorable and set up an appointment with the next girl fairly quickly....like within a month. Now if you have a regular(s)...obvi you can meet the next girl anytime before your regular(s) retire.
Most girls will save an email and/or number to know you are safe for the next time and you have a 6-month window at most to come back without screening again. Maybe even a simple physical description of age and race.
if you don't want to forge relationships and/or stay relatively active in the hobby certain girls will be off-limits. you gotta be in it to win it!...if not you know you gotta see two newbie girls within the same week so you can get immediate references for the one you desire later in the week.
and when don't providers reference a client directly? I don't get that....most don't just look at the reference list but actually contact the provider. p411 etc just gives a girl an organized list of information to contact the references without you putting together a long email.
ultimately, there has to be some give and take. there's never gonna be a perfect recipe for staying safe. common sense, a healthy dose of paranoia, mixed with a lot of sexy thoughts... could be heaven, could be hell! depends on how well everyone did their homework & how comfortable they are when the teacher gives a pop quiz
...when it comes to asking for personal information.
While I am always concerned that a gentleman might be LE, or worse, I am also concerned that I might come face to face with a gentleman I know in my personal life, or other profession. While I do not always have face time with people in my other profession, I still do not want a conflict of interest, or shock, should our paths cross in the future.
Verification sites are a great tool, but not a sole means of verification.
If a gentleman prefers not to share his personal information, that is his choice, and should not be chastized for it. On the other hand, he should be a gentleman, and simply move on to a lady who has a less intrusive means of verification.
We hobbyists, of course, are equally concerned about running into people in the hobby from our real life. Would you, Kelly, be willing to provide your real name and employer in your other profession to a potential hobbyist?
I feel like sending the provider you would like to meet a torso and face pic would be monumental in their determining if you are already familiar. For a hobbyist, we have been verified as legit after the first handful of reviews.
From what LE has told me, providers punishments (with link below) are often stricter than y'alls, because we are upcharged even if hanky-panky-spanky never occurs or is discussed.
I do not ask about employer info, because I find that to be a violation of privacy. I do not worry about LE posing as a client because if anything is going to happen, there would have been very little I could have done to prevent it.
I'm sure there is some point I was unable to convey with my post, but I do try. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I gave up the info and was quite surprised to discover a lady I visited was friends with the daughter of a couple who had had me overnight on weekends a few times in much a balmier climate than DC.. I had briefly met the daughter too once when she was coming home to visit just as I was leaving.
There is no way to reduce risks to zero. Every method has its weaknesses. Folks will settle in with methods that work for them as individuals.
Several years ago I arranged a date with a provider who also had done some adult movies. As part of the screening she asked for my employment info--which I subsequently furnished. Met with the provider and it was a great session!
However, not too long after that she started calling me at my office. Like the dumbbell that I was I didn't put a stop to it immediately--instead I would take the calls and chat for a few minutes or so. I suppose I didn't want to come off as rude or standoffish--plus the fact I enjoyed my time with her and planned on arranging another session down the road.
Then one day she actually SHOWS UP AT MY OFFICE! Completely unannounced--she just decided to drop by. And she's got an outfit on that is straight out of Vivid Video central casting! Needless to say I hustled her ass out of there in record time and cut off all communication from that point on. Now I don't think she was actually "stalking" me--in fact I think she was under the impression we could be buddies and just hang out from time to time, and I probably encouraged this by taking her phone calls! A HUGE mistake!
Bottom line---a boundary was crossed and it totally spooked me!! I decided right then and there I would never give my personal info to ANY provider under ANY circumstances. If references from reputable providers along with a current P411 profile with recent Okays aren't good enough then I'm moving on to someone else, NO EXCEPTIONS!! The need for safety and discretion goes both ways!!
to justify a certain agenda. The zealots troll the various boards with horror stories of past indiscretions, although usually more plausible than lonely porn stars! lol
They try to scare enough guys into not providing screening info, because now most ladies worth seeing still want to know who they are spending time with.... There are still enough gentlemen who believe it's safer for THEM if the lady screens her patrons.
A lot of guys will be too nervous to go through with a meeting if a lady invites them over without any screening. So yes, it goes both ways
It certainly was not my agenda to "scare" anyone into not supplying sufficient info for screening.
After the incident of too few "degrees of separation" I became a bit more cautious about how and how much information I shared. On occasion I will still share the equivalent amount of information, but first I will verify the business ethics of the lady.
I didn't do that before, I do now. Folks just need to find what works.
and I certainly don't see people local to me, except for the couple of regulars I have known for years. T
he least we can do is avoid running into colleagues and relatives! I know I am not alone, and there are many gents who choose to see visitors instead of locals for the same reason
Scoff if you will--but I hate like hell to disappoint you--it actually happened! I don't have a good enough imagination to make up something like this!
First of all. I believe in screening for safety of the providers. But you have to agree that some screenings are way too intrusive and get personal. I will co-operate to a certain level, but I aint telling anyone where I work or providing my driver's license info.
If you are really that concerned about running into people you might know, then please book a plane ticket and fly to other cities and provide there. I know someone who comes here from West Coast, and another provider makes trips from Florida.
I won't provide info for two reasons.. A) I don't want to give anyone leverage over me to blackmail me if things go wrong and B) I don't want LE to get my info if you get busted...
No annoying "Hugs and Kisses" either.... Gawd. I need to puke...
When someone makes a logical statement, the provider community just looks the other way...
And you are spot on about the email blasts.. I can name three of them that I got since 2010. Twice from the same gal. I had fun time looking through people's email addresses that ended in @verizon.com @att.com some in @edu and @gov.... I mean gov...really? Jesus....
thank you darlin' you are absolutely right about that! I've been guilty of that in the past and it's really, really bad! bad, bad, bad kitty!
maybe it's the way you deliver the message that perhaps you don't get the pat on the back you need I dunno, we're not all idiots all of the time. but maybe some of the time some of us are lol
hugs n kisses baby! xoxoxoxo :puke!puke
just playing with ya
Posted By: CurlyW - Nats Fan
No annoying "Hugs and Kisses" either.... Gawd. I need to puke...
When someone makes a logical statement, the provider community just looks the other way...
And you are spot on about the email blasts.. I can name three of them that I got since 2010. Twice from the same gal. I had fun time looking through people's email addresses that ended in @verizon.com @att.com some in @edu and @gov.... I mean gov...really? Jesus....
It isn't often you make a logical statement so get over yourself. Tired of your bullshit and you really need to step away from the computer and go outside. It's a really big world out there.
No hugs and kisses. Just a go fuck yourself. How's that for a "pushback".
Posted By: CurlyW - Nats Fan
No annoying "Hugs and Kisses" either.... Gawd. I need to puke...
When someone makes a logical statement, the provider community just looks the other way...
And you are spot on about the email blasts.. I can name three of them that I got since 2010. Twice from the same gal. I had fun time looking through people's email addresses that ended in @verizon.com @att.com some in @edu and @gov.... I mean gov...really? Jesus....
Her recent barrage of bat shit crazy posts and the drama she has stirred, shows that she doesn't seem like a nice mentally stable girl. She has poor judgement and lacks discipline.
Also notice how her reviews seem a little inflated. In your years of experience in the hobby, what do you think the chances are of a 45+ OTH average build girl getting that many "model material" or "once in a life time" ratings? Either she's a lot hotter in person or she's putting the pressure on her clients to write inflated reviews. That would explain why she reacted the way she did to the guy who posted his ISO on the board. I seriously do wonder if she really did in fact beat a bunch of good reviews out of her clients through brute coercion, verbal abuse, and other direct threat such as blacklisting. It's a real possibility
it would not be difficult to conclude that she uses all the frowned upon methods to get good scores. Or only sees those guys who hand out scores like Halloween Candy. The whole review system needs revamping. I have made several posts explaining my take in the past.
And yes, older ladies, just like younger ones can get good reviews and scores. Of course the market is different - doesn't mean there is no overlap.
If her pushback was incoherent angry cussing...that was some solid pushback.
Why are you so vulgar? Why the need to stir up so much constant drama? He did not say anything that any of the men here in their right minds would disagree on.
If you're worried the locals will recognize you, don't work local. I only ask for drivers and pic if the person has zero reference information for screening, DL is a last ditch effort.
not too terribly concerned! just a crazy thought I had
Posted By: CurlyW - Nats Fan
First of all. I believe in screening for safety of the providers. But you have to agree that some screenings are way too intrusive and get personal. I will co-operate to a certain level, but I aint telling anyone where I work or providing my driver's license info.
If you are really that concerned about running into people you might know, then please book a plane ticket and fly to other cities and provide there. I know someone who comes here from West Coast, and another provider makes trips from Florida.
I won't provide info for two reasons.. A) I don't want to give anyone leverage over me to blackmail me if things go wrong and B) I don't want LE to get my info if you get busted...
it's so frustrating when a person only gives their ter handle or p411 id and an email address & calls it good because they have references. references are awesome as long as they are from reputable and verifiable sources. and the references aren't gonna tell me if I know you in my personal life.
It's really annoying when I have to ask repeatedly, it makes me so paranoid.
I do understand that discretion is not always exercised, but when a person contacts a reputable lady, it shouldn't be that difficult to give up your name and other basic info.
last fall, I had 2 people contact me & they both had the same last name as my maiden name... it's a fairly common name in some areas. luckily, I was able to check that they weren't my cousins or something like that! but, could you imagine? if you showed up to an appt & there was your cousin? there's absolutely no way for anyone to know ahead of time unless you give up (at least) your name. damn! you probably can't tell if you know me personally from my photos and I sure as shit can't tell if I know you from yours lol. but, if you tell me your freaking name... well, then. there you have it
I guess, bottom line... discretion is important to everyone on many levels for many reasons. so if you're reading this & plan on meeting me, be prepared to share some info
I would more than likely only give you my p411, TER id and first name and email. From that you can can just look up as many references as you want. I wouldn't know if a provider I've seen in the past even remembered me, so that in addition to the above, seems like a waste. I mean really all I would do is look at my review/okays and give you the two most recent ones.
P411 already did an employment verification, don't see any reason for more people to have that info.
About your concern with meeting somebody you know, won't they be just as embarrassed/screw? After all they are paying you?
At the end of they day I would just move on. I'm sure they are plenty of guys who wouldn't have any problems filling out your form
absolutely! that's absolutely perfectly acceptable! but you've missed my point a bit... I don't care about the f-n form.
my little rant stemmed from asking for more info than provided (for one reason or another) after asking repeatedly.
whatever the reason, if a reputable person asks you for a little more info and you ignore the request, but continue to converse what should they think? what would you think? if you've been a good boy and done your homework, then you should be able to give up the basics if asked. make sense? a little?
Posted By: drake6182
I would more than likely only give you my p411, TER id and first name and email. From that you can can just look up as many references as you want. I wouldn't know if a provider I've seen in the past even remembered me, so that in addition to the above, seems like a waste. I mean really all I would do is look at my review/okays and give you the two most recent ones.
P411 already did an employment verification, don't see any reason for more people to have that info.
About your concern with meeting somebody you know, won't they be just as embarrassed/screw? After all they are paying you?
At the end of they day I would just move on. I'm sure they are plenty of guys who wouldn't have any problems filling out your form.
I just want to point out, that screening for LE is a waste of time. They get paid to catch criminals and they work full time. They can make up IDs, employment info, accounts, etc. They could easily arrest one provider and as part of the deal force her to give up her account info so they can catch others.
They could also create a nice web of providers/hobbyist that give each other oks, write reviews, etc. Think about it. A good writer could churn out at least 10 fake reviews a day. Give that about a week. Create about 4 fake provider profile each with about 4-5 fake hobbyist reviewers. There you go, references and web history.
There is literally not a damn thing you can do to prevent LE from arresting you if they decide they want to arrest you.
Screening is only good for safety, beyond that it's not very useful.
absolutely! i'd love to give it a go. I've never actually wrestled for sport- just always been a watcher. be careful tho, if you egg me on, i wouldn't wanna go too far. tee hee hee i'm a lover, not a fighter tee hee hee
Posted By: ttimejim
So, you enjoy watching wrestling. Would you be interested in going a few pins? I am very much into sensuous and erotic wrestling.
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and it's really, really bad! bad, bad, bad kitty! 
