Not to mention most likely he will lose basically "fair and square"
Trump is a completely different story. Trump is the front runner, Trump is positively going to win the popular vote and Trump is not going to be beaten by a more popular candidate, but by a concerted effort by the party insiders to thwart the will of the people. Trump is also a billionaire with a massive ego who will have no problem employing a "scorched earth" retaliation of his own. This is one of my main reasons that I maintain that Trump is the only Rep with ANY chance of winning, slim as it might be. Trump will get a few of the Sanders supporters who will vote for the "outsider" as a way of protesting the status quo. Do you see any of those voters voting for either Cruz, Kasich or Ryan? I think Trump still has a decent chance of winning as I am sure he will have a "come to Jesus meeting" with the power elite before the convention and let his intentions of burning the house dow around him if they fuck with him. Keep in mind, Trump is not a career politician, he doesn't care about the next election or winning another office someday. For Trump its' "POTUS in 2016 or bust" he doesn't have to save anything for tomorrow.Like I've said before, we're in '68 redux, as Sanders & Trump are 2016 versions of Eugene McCarthy & George Wallace. If my prognostications are wrong, I'll stand corrected, but the 2016 incarnations will flame out, just like their '68 predecessors. Key reason : both Sanders & Trump are disliked by the party establishments they need to help them to succeed to get their nominations. It's more egregious on the GOP side, because by the time the primaries end, though probably Trump will fall short of the needed 1,237 delegates, he will receive the most popular votes, but the establishment will take the nomination away from him on the 2nd vote. On the other side, I remain confident that HRC will rack up the most popular votes by the time the primaries end on 6/7.
Sanders & Trump supporters will kvetch loudly that the parties won't give them the nominations, but they labor under the delusion that the U.S. has an Athenian form of pure democracy. Uh-uh, it's a REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY & if the institutionalized, well funded & well entrenched political parties don't like you as a POTUS candidate, then you're shit out of luck.
I suppose the remedy to all this would be having 3rd & 4th political parties, but good luck with that.
Unless he reaches 1237. If he does, and doesn't get the nomination, that would be an abomination and would end the R party as we know it.
That being said, if he falls short, he has no more right for the nomination than anyone else. The R's shouldn't change the rules to fuck Trump and they shouldn't change the rules to help him.
Any rule changes should be for the next election, not this one.
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............If however Trump is 100 delegates shy of the 1237 delegate requirement and leading by a few million votes in the popular vote, he should be awarded the nomination, IMHO. I completely agree with GaGambler, Trump will screw over the Republican party with a scorched earth campaign policy, if the nomination is handed to someone else. Notice Trump is already setting the groundwork, by saying to media types the GOP primary nominating process is rigged. This will be a convention for the ages.
That being said, if he falls short, he has no more right for the nomination than anyone else. The R's shouldn't change the rules to fuck Trump and they shouldn't change the rules to help him.
Any rule changes should be for the next election, not this one.
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Trump agreed to the rules beforehand and shouldn't bitch after, but he wont be able to contain himself. lol
I don't buy the scorched earth policy. He will need R's for his many financial dealings at some point.
He will declare victory and go home.
Hillary in particular will owe him big time and you aren't so naïve that you don't think he will reach out to her and let her know it, do you?
The one thing I am sure of, whether he gets elected or not, whether he even gets the nomination or not, at the end of the day Trump is going to come out ahead and be better off for having run.
Hillary is a whore, but not the good kind, she will be all too willing to make up anything Trump loses by falling out of favor with the GOP. It's not like Trump has ever run as a "real Conservative" in the first place. Do you really think someone like me would have voted for a "real Conservative" by today's definition?
He will succumb to his business partners and his advisors. Money "Trumps" everything for him.
And Trump is not a conservative at all really. He just hijacked the party for his ego.
Any losses he suffers by losing GOP support will be more than made up for by his "new old" friends the Dems.
and Trump didn't hijack the party for his ego, anymore than Bernie Sanders has hijacked the Democratic Party for his. Trump, like many of us is not a "real" Republican, nor is he even a "real" Conservative by the current definition of the terms, but they are closer to the way he really feels than the Dems and he had to pick one of the two, so like many of us he chose what he thought was the lesser of the evils. It's not his fault that his message resonated better amongst Republicans better than any of the "real" Republicans running.
I hope you aren't advocating that unless you kotow to either the RNC or the DNC you should give up any hope of running for national office, That is exactly what he is campaigning on, and it appears that tens of millions of people agree with him.
And his home state has nothing to do with it as he has business holdings all over the U.S.
You don't fk over an entire party and not expect payback. You know this.
And he most certainly did hijack the party with his bullshit claims, him sidling up to the most heinous in our society and his dumbass bumper sticker mentality.
He wont have the establishment to blame when all is said and done he will only have himself. He just cant act mature enough or presidential for any length of time.
Christ when you have his biggest support in Ann Coulter now saying he is "mental" you know he is a loon. lol
and one that even you can not deny.
Laffy thinks your posts on the subject are not just good, or correct, but GREAT. The prosecution has no more witnesses to call and rests it's case. lmao
.......by the GOP establishment in the primary caucus contests. It's obvious to all that this past weekend GOP caucus in Colorado was a big sham. Regardless of how you feel, Trump will have many more delegates and primary votes than anyone else. Logic would dictate that Trump be given the nomination, but then again the GOP establishment does not seem to be thinking logically these days as they have adopted Ted Cruz as their favorite son. Cruz, IMHO, would have a near zero percent chance of winning the WH in November.
and that the GOP establishment will drop him too, and as fast as possible to get their REAL pick the nomination, even if it costs them the election.
I know they want to stop Trump at any cost, but I can't imagine Mitch & Co are going to sit still for Cruz winning either.
but what the fuck do any of us know, ANYTHING is likely to happen this election cycle.
Logic dictates you follow the rules. Its not about who has "more" its about who has the "majority."
Trump has to EARN the nomination, he doesn't get it handed to him
I see campaign chaos in Cleveland, add in a petition to allow guns at the convention, it should make for some interesting fireworks in Cleveland in July. Trump has broken all the "NORMAL" campaign rules so far don't you think? Trump has led the campaign race ever since he entered the GOP race almost a year ago. So many people made bets that Jeb Bush, with all his PAC money, would be the GOP nominee, he even scared Romney AWAY from running. Jeb dropped out after the Michigan contest. Wagers were again placed on Rubio becoming the establishment favorite after Jeb Bush left the race. Rubio dropped out after losing Florida badly and is now back in Miami nursing his campaign wounds and small hands.
a decent sense of humor. That last crack at Rubio was funny, I don't care who you are. lmao
in your subject line
"I agree the GOP establishment should NOT bend the rules for Trump or anyone else"
Then go on to say
"BUT.................If however Trump is 100 delegates shy of the 1237 delegate requirement and leading by a few million votes in the popular vote, he should be awarded the nomination"
If he is 100 or even 1 delegate short and given the nomination ....is that not bending the rules
Not to mention most likely he will lose basically "fair and square"
Trump is a completely different story. Trump is the front runner, Trump is positively going to win the popular vote and Trump is not going to be beaten by a more popular candidate, but by a concerted effort by the party insiders to thwart the will of the people. Trump is also a billionaire with a massive ego who will have no problem employing a "scorched earth" retaliation of his own.
This is one of my main reasons that I maintain that Trump is the only Rep with ANY chance of winning, slim as it might be. Trump will get a few of the Sanders supporters who will vote for the "outsider" as a way of protesting the status quo. Do you see any of those voters voting for either Cruz, Kasich or Ryan?
I think Trump still has a decent chance of winning as I am sure he will have a "come to Jesus meeting" with the power elite before the convention and let his intentions of burning the house dow around him if they fuck with him. Keep in mind, Trump is not a career politician, he doesn't care about the next election or winning another office someday. For Trump its' "POTUS in 2016 or bust" he doesn't have to save anything for tomorrow.
I would be amazed if a single Sanders supporter would vote for Trump. That's like a Dick Cheney supporter voting for Dennis Kucinich. What a mess this Presidential race has been.
Even though I think Sanders, would make a better President.
I will agree about the mess we have on our hands, in both parties, but especially in the GOP, but you are dead wrong about Sanders supporters. If Trump ends up on the ballot in November you'll be surprised just how many Sanders supporters vote Trump, even if it's simply a "fuck you" to the establishment.
... but the ugly, foul underbelly of the American political voting system has been exposed for the sham it is.
Ted Cruz as the reasonable alternative to Donald Trump tells me the Republican party, the party of Lincoln and Reagan, has collectively lost its fucking mind.
Hillary as the Democrats nominee tells me we are in or more of the same old same old and that won't work either.
I'm so burned out on all this shit.
It will all come down to New York.
one who is fighting for their literal survival, and the one who has nothing to loose. Trump falls into the later.
Just what does the GOP have to either offer Trump, or to threaten him with?
It's not like they can offer him an ambassadorship somewhere, or a cabinet post to placate him. Not even the VP position is likely to appease him and can you really imagine who ever gets the nomination agreeing to having Trump on the ticket.
I think we can agree there is no carrot they can offer him, so let's look at the stick. What can the GOP do to him to "keep him in line"??? I can't think of a damn thing, can you?
& the way things are going, unless I'm mistaken, Trump won't get the 1,237 by June 7th.
Then it's in the court of the "GOP establishment". THEY get to decide.
It's called politics, folks, & if you didn't think about all these incredibly obvious homilies, then you're more fucking naive than I thought.
is USA is still lives by colonial system rules.. what a surprise for me- I never looked in to the system till this election.. something interesting to learn
So PLURALITY/MAJORITY SYSTEMS used mostly for British colonial systems.( in such countries as India, Australia with only two to ONE leading parties..
it is still a winner-take-all and so it shares basic problems if not simple fraud and totaliritism while European have PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION VOTING SYSTEMS
PLURALITY/MAJORITY SYSTEMSit is still a winner-take-all voting system and so it shares all the basic problems of this approach to voting, including the misrepresentation of parties, manufactured majorities, gerrymandering, high levels of wasted votes, and denial of fair representation to third parties, racial minorities and women. In addition, it brings with it two more problems: the added expense of a second election, and the lower voter turnout that usually plagues those second elections.
And guess why all that takes place in states ? i would say - Americans are so proud that their constitution never changed?
from 1788. To date, 27 Amendments have been approved, six have been disapproved and thousands have been discussed.
Is not it is just PATHETIC ??!! Life changes way faster.
Who needs own people to oblige to colonial times constitution.?
I feel very sad - Americans generally are not bad people yet so deprived of basic knowledge and so brain washed.
More then Russians by the way .. Russians at lost love their own leaders. By the way as about me - so I am just cosmopolitan with few citizenships i do not oblige to anyone.
So if you want tell me something negative as I am a foreigner and do not care about states - I do care about well being and rights to pursue happiness for American people no less then then for the same right lets say for for people living in African countries.
Id someone thinks that is pursuing happiness is just prerogative , exclusive right of americans for expense of other nations - I would disagree.
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Had that been his goal, he'd've already won. Even if he runs as an Independent he's added his brand to the Republican Party.