Hmmmmmmm.... There is an interesting saga that is unfolding on the boards that might bare some light on this issue. There is a possible terrorist angle in this saga as well as many issue involved with the Patriot act. It concerns an escort:
Lady Sylvia (formerly of Tucson and Southern California). You can be sure that--at least at sometime in the last year or so-her phones, e-mails, and residences were not secured, and her apartment/s were sabotaged in very similar fashion in both Tucson and the Middle east (Abu Dhabi, UAE). Is it coencidence???
This is a tragic comedy, that concerns us all. It concerns our right to privacy, our right to pursue happiness, our right against unlawful search and seizure, etc.;and, besides it is a very, very, interesting search and read!!! If you get the chance, check it out on TER boards (Los Angeles, San Diego, other areas) and TBD Arizona and California boards, etc. and don't forget the first amendment boards, national boards and in search of boards too. And, though she seems to have disappeared for the time being, she has reviews posted on both sites...Enjoy!!!
Also, it is interesting to note that most refrences in the above thread relate to the tenent/provider and client. The supposed illegality here is a misdemeanor. However, it is my understanding that if a Landlord knowingly rents to a person who'll use the premises as a place where acts of prostitution take place, then the landlord is guilty of felony. Am I right? And, then doesn't this begin to infringe on that whole vague legal area of racketeering?
Just out of curiosity, if the neighbors reported suspecious activity in an apartment can LE or the management company legally put up a hidden camera or voice box if they suspect something, (escorting)?
The management company, on its own absolutely not. LE? Sure; but first they need a warrant for probable cause of some specific crime.
Just out of curiosity you said sure LE could do it but they need a warrant for probable cause.
#1. Will they get with the property management to install the device(S) while I'm not home?
#2. Who would get or see the warrant first, apt. management?
#3. Will the or can the management and LE put in the device(S) while I'm not home?
#4. Will I ever know that the device(s) have been installed or when I know it will definetly be to late?
Well, obviously they won't show you the warrant first. It's very hard to conduct covert surveillance on you after showing you a warrant to install cameras and recording equipment in your home.
And yes, cops who have such a warrant can go in when you're not home. In fact, they would *only* go in when you're not home. They cannot conduct effective covert surveillance on someone who has watched them install the equipment.
The police often will not ask the management for help. Management might tip off the suspect or otherwise create problems for the investigation, intentionally or not. Under some circumstances, though, they might decide that they need management's involvement -- or at least its acquiescence -- and will reveal what they are doing.
The police will not inform you of their surveillance until it is done. Here again, what good would it do them to tell you sooner? If they didn't get any evidence on you, they would probably just remove the equipment as secretly as they installed it and you would never know anything had happened.
As someone else mentioned, though, this type of investigation does not seem very plausible. Investigations like this are usually reserved for serious felonies, not misdemeanors like prostitution. Sometimes the police will do this sort of thing in order to get at least a misdemeanot arrest of someone they either suspect of more serious crimes they can't prove yet, or who might become a valuable witness in another case if subjected to the right kind of pressure.
Even if the police wanted to go to this kind of expense and trouble for a routine prostitution investigation, they would most likely do it at a provider's incall location where the investigation might lead to many more arrests for the same amount of work.
He is right about the warrant except for one small caveat called the Patriot Act or HR3162. See the link below...
If someone cries out that the activity is suspicous and "they could be terrorists" then guess what? All bets are off about the warrant. Am I way out of line? Not really lets say a provider has a spanish man, turkish national, and a native american over in the same night. Your average sheep is not going to think twice about calling LE and squealing about terrorism.
Essentially LE no longer needs a warrant to start survailance if certain conditions are met. Then the warrant is only a formality.
Think that's bad read the other link about Patriot Act II written just for the civilians.
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15541
This act was an atrocity on YOUR civil liberties, vigilance and responsibility are the price of true freedom. WAKE UP!
The guys vary from college grads, to office prof. to dr's and lawyers. It's alot of variety and them alone don't look suspecious, I was just worried about the traffic in an out of my place.
I don't do back to back clients, because that's not my style anyway just wanted some insight on this topic. I guess I want to just be safe now than of course sorry later.
Hmmmmmmm.... There is an interesting saga that is unfolding on the boards that might bare some light on this issue. There is a possible terrorist angle in this saga as well as many issue involved with the Patriot act. It concerns an escort:
Lady Sylvia (formerly of Tucson and Southern California). You can be sure that--at least at sometime in the last year or so-her phones, e-mails, and residences were not secured, and her apartment/s were sabotaged in very similar fashion in both Tucson and the Middle east (Abu Dhabi, UAE). Is it coencidence???
This is a tragic comedy, that concerns us all. It concerns our right to privacy, our right to pursue happiness, our right against unlawful search and seizure, etc.;and, besides it is a very, very, interesting search and read!!! If you get the chance, check it out on TER boards (Los Angeles, San Diego, other areas) and TBD Arizona and California boards, etc. and don't forget the first amendment boards, national boards and in search of boards too. And, though she seems to have disappeared for the time being, she has reviews posted on both sites...Enjoy!!!
Also, it is interesting to note that most refrences in the above thread relate to the tenent/provider and client. The supposed illegality here is a misdemeanor. However, it is my understanding that if a Landlord knowingly rents to a person who'll use the premises as a place where acts of prostitution take place, then the landlord is guilty of felony. Am I right? And, then doesn't this begin to infringe on that whole vague legal area of racketeering?
Sorry, I forgot one crucial peice of information. You'll need to go back 2 or 3 yrs. in your seach to get the whole story on the continuing saga of silly old Mohamed and the sensous Lady Sylvia of Tucson. It's quiet a tale and well worth the effort. You can view her somewhat dated reviews on TBD and TER, and she's advertisized on: Tucson and Pheonix Exotcs, LA Eros and Arizonia Eros, TucsonWebgirls, girls2go (as Sylvia Hampton),and a foreign site called casa amandi foren-a great picture here, and an LA based site called Sensuella. Also, she has a website www.sugarsweetsylvia.com, but it has been "closed for reconstruction" for awhile (her web guy is Glen of Az.) Anyway, I think she's a wonderful person, I hope she is alright and I hope that someone can provide me with current contact information. My e-mail is [email protected].
To get back to the main topic... As in the instance where a landlord knowingly rents to tenants who use the premises for acts of prostitution, I'm sure there are other felonious activities-like pimping, pandering, drivers collecting from dead beat clients, money laundering, willful tax evasion and various other charges which fall under the broad legal scope of racketeering etc. These activities are closely associated with the hobby. Simple acts of bugging and servalence can create all sorts of plea bargain arrangements--which in a sense are legal racketteering--for the provider and the client, and then everybody-and I mean everybody--is in a real mess. Be careful out there. I'd apreciate your comments, please.
What do you think the odds would be that they would use expensive surveilance equipment to get you? Do you really think they would contact your landlord in an attempt to override a traditional search warrant when the evidence could potentially be thrown out?
I am trying to tell you that you are not that important. The world does not revolve around you and you should be thankful.
If a complaint is made to the police they will likely pursue a routine investigation, which does not (to my knowledge)include months and weeks of video surveilance of you being naked around your house.
Misdemeaner/s?!!! If you get the chance, please read mine on the same topic, 7/9 and 7/14. I know from experience that this issue is not always so cut and dried. As always, I apreciate your comments and dialogue. I hope to hear from you, either on the boards; or, if you prefer, you can e-mail me at [email protected]. Thanks.
They couldn't put a camera in your apartment without a warrant. However they could put a camera on the outside of the building and record everyone coming and going from your apartment. All they would need is the managements permission. They could even do it from a distance by posting the camera on a light standard or telephone pole. No permission required and no warrant if the activity is in plain sight.
Do you really think LE would go to that level of effort to bust one girl turning tricks? I think your questions were answered correctly in above replies, but if you think about it, there are much easier ways for LE to handle something like this.
If a neighbor drops a dime on you and LE decides they are going to investigate, they would probably watch you and your apartment for a given period of time. After seeing the gents coming and going they can figure out what's going on pretty quick.
Now they need to catch you in the act...they research and find out who you are and set an appointment. Or they get a warrant and come right in and take your computer and whatever else they want and most likely can pin some kind of charge on you even though they may not have caught you in the act of turning a trick. Hidden cameras, tapping your phones, blah blah, is pretty excessive.
Depending on where you live you'd be hard pressed to pull LE away from the coffee shop to go through these measures just to nab one person. Small town cops might do it but big city cops, i doubt it. If it was a big operation where they could bring down a large scale operation that might be more likely to happen.
Cops can put one decoy on the street and nab 25 people in one night which gives them a much better return on their investment, hits 25 people and makes them look good to the public.
BTW...you are crazy for doing calls in your home. Add $25 to your rate and get a hotel, much safer.