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PSE - as if there was any doubt...
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To me - GFE is a date fantasy - lot of small talk - possibly some wine or a drink - except that you are going to get laid - and blown from a girl who knows how.  Things proceed organically with a great deal of spontaneity - which can end up following her script.  We might even undress each other.  Don't get me wrong - it can be a good script and a good evening.  It can even be romantic...  My guess is that a really good GFE might actually cause the provider some boundary issues with the client.  The way I WISH my dates might have went when I was a likely lad..  There was a time when that appealed to me - but not at the moment.  

To me - PSE is more of a down and dirty "let's screw"  - no illusions - I want a slut.  I arrive at her incall - we might chit chat for a minute.  I take a brief shower to clean off the privates - just to make sure - and walk out naked - and we get to it.  This does not mean that it can't be friendly, playful and fun - and to the extent possible - mutually satisfying.  Doesn't mean that we don't end the session in each others arms and doing a little necking.  Doesn't mean that I don't act like a gentleman outside of session and reasonably considerate in session.  But there is zero illusion about what this is - which is me satisfying my sexual needs and her satisfying her banking needs.   This is where my head is at right now.  That being said, I am considering booking a girl who considers herself very GFE but is very well known as a BBBJ artiste.   And if we need to call it GFE to get there... well so be it.

I think it is very possible that a girl could do both.  However, I think it is much harder to market both.  It's very tough to be all things to all people.  I have seen a provider that actually had two web sites based on which type of date you wanted - actually seems to be more common with providers that do BDSM and GFE.   It might be possible to do it with two stage names - something like - Desdemona your GFE Princess and Belladonna your PSE Slut.  With good pictures, it would be very possible to have different looks and still look like the pictures

This week lets talk about your choice of booking GFE or PSE style. I am going to post on this one. I will wait; however, for it to start as I do not want to influence the conversation.  After so many years of this hobby, and experiencing it in so many countries, I learned something from the recent Atlanta M&G that taught me something new.  So, gentlemen lets start with you. What is you booking goal, GFE or PSE, and why? Also, in your opinion, can a provider successfully offer just one or both?  The ladies, of course, may chime in as well.  Have a great week everyone.

No seriously.  I know what the acronym is.  I mean the definition.
After all these years I'm still not sure we've reached a conclusive definition of what PSE means.  Have we?  Maybe you should define your terms for clarity.

I'm a GFE type of guy - generally looking for a more intimate, romantic vibe.

Can a lady offer both?  Of course - I see no reason to think otherwise.

will look for the PSE.  I look to have that intimacy of the GFE, but the PSE is more of a want every so often.  Can a single provider offer both in the same session?  I'm sure it can be so, but keeping it different on the agenda, I probably wouldn't want them both in the same session.

However, having both in a doubles appointment might be a new item on my bucket list.  Having one provider playing the roll of GFE while the other assumes the PSE.  That could play out a very fun scenario or two.

Maybe you and your "girlfriend" go to see a "sex therapist" to get "educated".  A little "birdie" told me it was great "fun".  Help I can't "stop" using these "quotes"...  "Arrrrrgggghhhh".

Yeah, anyway try that.

Posted By: OceanCity38
will look for the PSE.  I look to have that intimacy of the GFE, but the PSE is more of a want every so often.  Can a single provider offer both in the same session?  I'm sure it can be so, but keeping it different on the agenda, I probably wouldn't want them both in the same session.  
   
 However, having both in a doubles appointment might be a new item on my bucket list.  Having one provider playing the roll of GFE while the other assumes the PSE.  That could play out a very fun scenario or two.

Huh?  What "girlfriend," and where's the need for sex therapy?  I am totally missing the point of your post, but it did give me a new role play idea for a doubles session.

Thanks for that electr0nsrealm.  Btw, I sincerely enjoy your posts on this board.

Thank you kind sir.  Certainly no offense taken either.  I'm regularly on my own wavelength...  Let me try to translate my stream of consciousness electronspeak to something more palatable.  If I can...

Of course that damn birdie is pleading the fifth now.  But you can check out the review yourself directly (mine of Mia and Piper).  I think it will answer your questions...

And incorporating whatever PSE element you wish can be easily done as you bound the problem.  For the sake of argument let's use... greek exploration.  The therapist could offer to instruct some advance topics - such as anal.  You'd be interested (of course you'd be interested lol) but your girlfriend could politely decline saying she's not ready for that yet.  But as a consolation prize she'd be willing to watch (you and said therapist partake) so she could learn.  Problem solved - and everbody walks away a winner.

Enjoy.  See kids - role play is good, dirty fun.  I have to stop now, I can't give all my secrets away for free.  ;-)

Cheers

Posted By: OceanCity38
Huh?  What "girlfriend," and where's the need for sex therapy?  I am totally missing the point of your post, but it did give me a new role play idea for a doubles session.  
   
 Thanks for that electr0nsrealm.  Btw, I sincerely enjoy your posts on this board.

I was thrown off by taking the "girlfriend" statement literally, as I presently do not have a SO.  But in the context of a therapy role play session, DAMN, getting excited about that idea already.  I'm reminded of the therapist in the Sopranos series, and how hot she was.  I've never really been into role play, but that is one that would certainly bring me into it.

Back to the original topic of the OP, I think Zoey's post below really speaks well to ability of having both in a single session, either by one provider or by two.

When you get to know me you'll find my tongue is always in cheek.  Hey hey - don't go there.  I mean I am almost never literal when hamming it up.  Which is my normal mode of operation.

And they say brevity is the soul of wit.
I suppose that's why most of my posts are long and rambling...
I will try and type slower next time.
:-)

Cheers

...of services. I want the GFE attitude. I do enjoy anal intercourse and rimming. Are those PSE services? Some would say yes. I say you can do those things with a girlfriend attitude. I want certain things when choosing who to see. They are kissing (lfk, dfk), bbbj, and covered fs. I won't see a provider unless she has those on her menu. I want them with a GFE attitude.

Yes, thank you - exactly.  That's sort of where my confusion has always been.  Is it the act or attitude that defines a PSE encounter?  Just because you like it in the butt does that make it PSE-worthy?  Hmmm.  Can a naughty/kinky girlfriend provide a PSE experience?  I think so.  Can an actual porn star act like a girlfriend?  I think so.  Can dogs and cats live together in peace and harmony?  I think so.  But I'm ever the optimist.

These are the deep philosophical questions that keep me up at night...
 

Posted By: xyz23
...of services. I want the GFE attitude. I do enjoy anal intercourse and rimming. Are those PSE services? Some would say yes. I say you can do those things with a girlfriend attitude. I want certain things when choosing who to see. They are kissing (lfk, dfk), bbbj, and covered fs. I won't see a provider unless she has those on her menu. I want them with a GFE attitude.

Datylicks558 reads

Personally, I don't know if I like an option. Generally, I like a session that leaves me grinning from ear to ear. Now for me, I feel I have experienced both types of pleasures. It really depends on the atmosphere and the girl. Finally, since I'm not a porn star, I only have experience with GFE. Thing is, I'm not really sure when a session becomes PSE. Maybe someone can jump in and define it a little better.

...has clearly never seen Tori Valentine and I in action together!  :D

I think a GFE/PSE combo is deeply intimate, passionate kissing, slow caresses, deep, slow, caring oral, lots of eye contact, pure seduction~ the total GFE fantasy vibe, but it's also HIGH ENERGY and WILD!  I don't think there's anything about rimming or anal sex that are explicitly PSE as these ways of being intimate can be offered by a girlfriend or with a more sensual, casual girlfriendy vibe.  A PSE encounter is somewhat SUPERhuman and performative.  The kind of experience that makes you feel like you're in porn or at least wish to god you were filming what's going on.  It should look like porn- perhaps even way better than porn, since it's actually REAL!  If you can't imagine a GFE/PSE combo then maybe you've never had a really wild, adventurous girlfriend.  I've always focused on the GFE element personally but I know that I am wild enough to include the PSE vibe as well if I can tell that's what the guy is into and ESPECIALLY if he is a lil wild himself.  And with Tori to play off of in a three-way... Well we just can't help ourselves!  ;)

Or better - two women with range at the same time.  From what I can tell you and Tori have great chemistry together.
Both your looks are lovely and intriguing.  And a bit dangerous.  But in a good way.  ;-)
Thanks for your opinion.

Posted By: Zoey Zacquery
...has clearly never seen Tori Valentine and I in action together!  :D  
   
 I think a GFE/PSE combo is deeply intimate, passionate kissing, slow caresses, deep, slow, caring oral, lots of eye contact, pure seduction~ the total GFE fantasy vibe, but it's also HIGH ENERGY and WILD!  I don't think there's anything about rimming or anal sex that are explicitly PSE as these ways of being intimate can be offered by a girlfriend or with a more sensual, casual girlfriendy vibe.  A PSE encounter is somewhat SUPERhuman and performative.  The kind of experience that makes you feel like you're in porn or at least wish to god you were filming what's going on.  It should look like porn- perhaps even way better than porn, since it's actually REAL!  If you can't imagine a GFE/PSE combo then maybe you've never had a really wild, adventurous girlfriend.  I've always focused on the GFE element personally but I know that I am wild enough to include the PSE vibe as well if I can tell that's what the guy is into and ESPECIALLY if he is a lil wild himself.  And with Tori to play off of in a three-way... Well we just can't help ourselves!  ;)

To me there are three dimensions: acts, personal interactions, and emotions.

Acts:   GFE seems to be code for a set of sexual acts that are included in the basic rate.  In Atlanta that seems to include BBBJ and CFS, with lots of lip-locking and CIM if available.  Never have had an upcharge for any toy play.  Usually would be an upcharge for anal, which seems to be what PSE is code for.  Since the lady needs to prepare for that, then that code is probably a good thing.  I suppose prostate, FIA and rimming probably fall into PSE, though lots of GFE ladies go there.  Also, there are lots of fetishes that probably are PSE – don’t know.  I have no idea what the other variations on GFE are intended to mean, and since “no explicit talk” is allowed there is really no way to pursue a definition.  Personally, I find this dimension of GFE vs PSE very confusing and not especially useful.  Usually reviews are better sources of information.

Personal Interactions:  I have always liked women, both as people and as sex partners, and that extends into my relationships in the hobby.  Even though it’s p4p, the whole thing is lots more fun if we like each other and both enjoy what we are doing.  The ladies are people, not flesh and blood inflatable dolls.  Chatting, kissing, foreplay, etc. are all part of that for me.  I like a bit of getting-acquainted conversation, but generally believe that neither she nor I are particularly shy.  I have experienced both the Nevada brothel “lineups”, the Paris street corner hookers, and the Amsterdam wondow ladies.  All were the mechanical, no kiss, wash it off and put it in experience that was OK when you are young and horny.  Now, however, I enjoy a little more personal experience too.

Emotions:  I don’t feel any emotional void that needs to be filled so the idea of needing a girlfriend is a bit alien.  Don’t need romance.  I understand that some folks need romantic and other fantasies fulfilled and respect that need if that’s what GFE means to them.  Me – I’m more of a friends-with-benefits sorta guy.

In summary, it’s always been a bit confusing to me because I enjoy things that are elements of both.  I’d not be surprised if most guys and ladies weren’t somewhat the same.  Just my thoughts

We need to put all this stuff in the Hobbyist's Handbook.  I need an updated copy as soon as we get all the new amendments ratified..

That is why I put it out there, it is a good discussion topic.  A lot of elements to this.

I know one when I experience it.  

I want to walk away from an appointment with the illusion that I just spend an hour or more with my horny girlfriend that was excited to see me, open minded and willing to go with the flow and experience whatever happens in the heat of the moment THAT SHE IS COMFORTABLE WITH.  

I know this does not really answer the question of the OP.  I guess there is too much gray area and personal opinion on what GFE is and what PSE is.  In the most generic terms, I'd say I lean more GFE.  (but a GF that can be naughty and open minded).  

Kissing is a major component of the experience for me.  If the kissing is not mutually enthusiastic (even if I'm being faked out), then the rest of our time is probably not going to be a great GFE for me.

Curious what you think I am... 80/20? :)

PSE/GFE.... Weird, I think I actually am both! I have a lot of multiple hour appts and if it was PSE for four hours plus I am pretty sure that would be strange to me. Sometimes to truly enjoy a PSE you have be comfortable enough with someone to go outside your comfort zone. There is a whole GFE aspect to that...
 

Posted By: logostuck
I know one when I experience it.    
   
 I want to walk away from an appointment with the illusion that I just spend an hour or more with my horny girlfriend that was excited to see me, open minded and willing to go with the flow and experience whatever happens in the heat of the moment THAT SHE IS COMFORTABLE WITH.    
   
 I know this does not really answer the question of the OP.  I guess there is too much gray area and personal opinion on what GFE is and what PSE is.  In the most generic terms, I'd say I lean more GFE.  (but a GF that can be naughty and open minded).  
   
 Kissing is a major component of the experience for me.  If the kissing is not mutually enthusiastic (even if I'm being faked out), then the rest of our time is probably not going to be a great GFE for me.  

I'm not sure a number or rating can be assigned to the Skylar Raine experience.  I agree that you are both.  
I can only speak for OUR time together and I think my review gives a pretty good summary, but I think it's a fluid situation with you.  It kinda goes back and forth between GFE and PSE and that's a good thing.  

I love the fact that you gathered a lot of information about what I liked and my interests prior to our meeting and made sure that you had everything perfect when I arrived to insure a once in a lifetime experience.

*blushing* :) thanks!!

But, that's exactly why I don't really know what hat I wear! I like variety just like you fellas!

ValuedCustomer600 reads

To me - GFE is a date fantasy - lot of small talk - possibly some wine or a drink - except that you are going to get laid - and blown from a girl who knows how.  Things proceed organically with a great deal of spontaneity - which can end up following her script.  We might even undress each other.  Don't get me wrong - it can be a good script and a good evening.  It can even be romantic...  My guess is that a really good GFE might actually cause the provider some boundary issues with the client.  The way I WISH my dates might have went when I was a likely lad..  There was a time when that appealed to me - but not at the moment.  

To me - PSE is more of a down and dirty "let's screw"  - no illusions - I want a slut.  I arrive at her incall - we might chit chat for a minute.  I take a brief shower to clean off the privates - just to make sure - and walk out naked - and we get to it.  This does not mean that it can't be friendly, playful and fun - and to the extent possible - mutually satisfying.  Doesn't mean that we don't end the session in each others arms and doing a little necking.  Doesn't mean that I don't act like a gentleman outside of session and reasonably considerate in session.  But there is zero illusion about what this is - which is me satisfying my sexual needs and her satisfying her banking needs.   This is where my head is at right now.  That being said, I am considering booking a girl who considers herself very GFE but is very well known as a BBBJ artiste.   And if we need to call it GFE to get there... well so be it.

I think it is very possible that a girl could do both.  However, I think it is much harder to market both.  It's very tough to be all things to all people.  I have seen a provider that actually had two web sites based on which type of date you wanted - actually seems to be more common with providers that do BDSM and GFE.   It might be possible to do it with two stage names - something like - Desdemona your GFE Princess and Belladonna your PSE Slut.  With good pictures, it would be very possible to have different looks and still look like the pictures

I love cock worship and anyone who's seen me in action knows that its a PSE good time right in line with Burning Angel scenes.  

I consider myself GFE because I'm authentic. I'm really here, and I love connecting with people. And I love to kiss and make out! I'm incredibly oral and my mouth and tongue could be engaged for hours. That said, some people prefer I make out with their "south mouth" instead of their face, and that's just as nice for me.

For me, I think PSE means little to no making out. Its not necessarily important to me that I make out with my dates if what they want is more oral action in other places. Anyway, that's why I consider GFE - so everyone knows my mouth is in the equation.  

But seriously, I'm a BBBJ artiste any way you slice it.
xoxox
Tori

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