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bigguy30 216 reads
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When the GOP or their supporters make comments.
This is why I never listen to them. Lol

Posted By: nuguy46
and if I'm jewish, I'd beg everyone to not vote for him. Blacks have left behind in the Obama economy (unless you are a rich black).....jus' sayin'.

Does the Fact of Bernie's religious faith have any measure in this horse race? He would be the FIRST Jewish President! Equally significant as Obama being first AA or citizen of color President.  
For a Jewish voter does loyalty to religious faith and Israel(often and quantifiably demonstrated on Wall Street) exceed Wall Street banks and Capitalist concerns?

  Don’t tell me the question is being racist or anti-Semitic. This is a  
successful demographic of faith and fortune regularly pandered too.  
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/republican-candidates-pitch-pander-jewish-supporters-n47385

.........to most in America however his Socialist leanings are a problem. I'm really amused that the MSM thinks Sander's has a serious chance of beating Hillary. Yes, Sander's might win Iowa, New Hampshire and Vermont, but that's about it.  I don't see him doing well in the big states of Pennyslvania, NewYork, Ohio, California, Florida, South/North Carolina, Texas, Georgia etc.

Posted By: pot/kettle
It's seldom, if ever, even mentioned in the media.  
   
 

GaGambler227 reads

and you are absolutely right, I don't give a single shit about him being Jewish. I do however care greatly that an admitted socialist can garner this much support.

The one thing that is unclear at this point is whether he is exposing Hillary's weaknesses for the GOP to exploit, or if she is learning how to deal with these issues that will most definitely plague her in the GE, assuming of course her campaign doesn't implode by then.

and as much as the hard core Dems will deny this, many of the Sanders supporters will find their way into the Trump camp as they are THAT fed up with the status quo, and a vote for either Trump or Sanders is a vote against the establishment. I think that is what gives Trump a legitimate shot at winning, no other candidate has tapped into the anti establishment furor that seems to be fueling this election cycle like he has. Does anyone really think a single Sanders supporter would cross party lines to vote for Cruz or Rubio?

They are liberalist of the libs......they cry when Trump talks.

He's making Hills have to make more liberal flips on her domistc policies in primary.
Bernie's libs will vote for Hills in the GE. Where she is going to loose alot of Dem votes is the white blue color Dem union workers in GE, especially to Trump if he wins primary. Trump poses a huge threat to Hills compared to Cruz & his holly rollers.
 

Posted By: GaGambler
and you are absolutely right, I don't give a single shit about him being Jewish. I do however care greatly that an admitted socialist can garner this much support.  
   
 The one thing that is unclear at this point is whether he is exposing Hillary's weaknesses for the GOP to exploit, or if she is learning how to deal with these issues that will most definitely plague her in the GE, assuming of course her campaign doesn't implode by then.  
   
 and as much as the hard core Dems will deny this, many of the Sanders supporters will find their way into the Trump camp as they are THAT fed up with the status quo, and a vote for either Trump or Sanders is a vote against the establishment. I think that is what gives Trump a legitimate shot at winning, no other candidate has tapped into the anti establishment furor that seems to be fueling this election cycle like he has. Does anyone really think a single Sanders supporter would cross party lines to vote for Cruz or Rubio?

GaGambler233 reads

Just that he will/would get more of them than any other GOP candidate.

You are correct that most of Sanders supporters are the most liberal of the liberal, but not all of them. Some of them are simply left "leaning" people that are fed up with the status quo and Washington politics in general. NONE of those people would ever vote for a Rubio or a Cruz, but a political outsider promising to shake things up like Trump is doing may very well get a lot of those votes, call them "protest votes" if you like, because a lot of them will simply be against Hillary and the status quo.

I completely agree with you about the blue collar union voters. I think everyone is going to be surprised about how many of them turn out for Trump. Call it the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" syndrome. It doesn't matter if Trump is telling the truth, he is telling them what they want to hear and they are so pissed off about their jobs being shipped off to China they are most definitely in a mood to listen to the likes of Trump

Well, this white, blue-collared, union worker would not vote for Trump if he was running for Dog Catcher.

GaGambler212 reads

I have no delusions that you are actually "For Trump", it's just that you share the hatred for the establishment that both Trump and Sanders have so successfully tapped into. and no one on either side of the aisle is more of an establishment candidate than is Hillary Clinton.

You may be in the minority, but you are part of a sizeable minority IMO, a minority large enough to perhaps be the swing vote in November. My chances of voting for Hillary were pretty good only a few months ago, but I can't imagine myself possibly voting for her at this point.

nitially it looked like the Democratic primary campaign was going to become an easy coronation for Clinton. Bernie Sander's campaign caught fire and the Clinton campaign team is now getting a little bit concerned. Maybe this slight hiccup on her way to winning the Democratic primary will make her a much stronger candidate during the General Election.
 
There is some history here, Hillary's strong run against Obama during the primaries made him a much better candidate against McCain during the general election in 2008.

It's going to be a crazy year in election year politicking. All I will predict at this point is this, whichever campaign team can push the most populist message of all is the team that will win in November. I'm not sure how Clinton can pull it off with her big ties to Wall Street. I agree, quite a few old blue dog Democrats will vote for Trump. The electorate, on either side, is firmly against anything that reeks of the old political establishment

GaGambler215 reads

When Obama ran in 2008, he was a rock star and nothing stuck to him, much like Trump in this election cycle or Bill Clinton in both of his runs. All three of them seem to have a Teflon coating. Hillary OTOH is the exact opposite, shit seems to stick to her, maybe it's because she has no charisma and is pretty unlikable, or maybe there is something else to it. What ever it is, even though she was the darling of the MSM and the clear frontrunner, the press doesn't seem to want to gloss over her baggage and that is going to be hard to overcome.

I am not saying this is what is going to happen, just that it's a factor that can't be overlooked. A tough primary campaign might strengthen her, or it might damage her permanently. One thing is already pretty obvious, Bernie has already forced her to shift much further to the left than she ever wanted to at this stage of the race.

One other thing that Bernie has forced her to do is spend more money at this stage of the campaign-money she was hoping to utilize in the general election.

GaGambler204 reads

It fucks up all the stereotypes.

I doubt it will be an issue that is ever front page, but I do believe that just like with Romney, the issue will remain, but always just beneath the surface. I do have to agree, most people don't even think about it as an issue right now, but if he continues to get support, EVERYTHING is an issue

bigguy30219 reads

The media brings up his age sometimes and Hillary being the first female President more.

Posted By: RRO2610
Does the Fact of Bernie's religious faith have any measure in this horse race? He would be the FIRST Jewish President! Equally significant as Obama being first AA or citizen of color President.  
 For a Jewish voter does loyalty to religious faith and Israel(often and quantifiably demonstrated on Wall Street) exceed Wall Street banks and Capitalist concerns?  
   
   Don’t tell me the question is being racist or anti-Semitic. This is a  
 successful demographic of faith and fortune regularly pandered too.  
 http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/republican-candidates-pitch-pander-jewish-supporters-n473856  
 

nuguy46224 reads

and if I'm jewish, I'd beg everyone to not vote for him. Blacks have left behind in the Obama economy (unless you are a rich black).....jus' sayin'.

bigguy30231 reads

Posted By: nuguy46
and if I'm jewish, I'd beg everyone to not vote for him. Blacks have left behind in the Obama economy (unless you are a rich black).....jus' sayin'.

bigguy30217 reads

When the GOP or their supporters make comments.
This is why I never listen to them. Lol

Posted By: nuguy46
and if I'm jewish, I'd beg everyone to not vote for him. Blacks have left behind in the Obama economy (unless you are a rich black).....jus' sayin'.

bigguy30207 reads

The truth never lies and that is why facts matter.
 

Posted By: nuguy46
and if I'm jewish, I'd beg everyone to not vote for him. Blacks have left behind in the Obama economy (unless you are a rich black).....jus' sayin'.

If facts really mattered that much, then Trump would not be leading in practically every poll.

bigguy30205 reads

Posted By: wolverine3647
If facts really mattered that much, then Trump would not be leading in practically every poll.

...not Judaism.  Many voters still don't even know who Sanders is, much less that he's Jewish.  He doesn't wear it on his sleeve like all the pandering thumper Republicans.  I haven't seen Sheldon Adelson or Doctor Gonzo falling all over themselves to support Sanders.  It's probably due to the fact that Sanders cares more about the U.S. than he does about Israel.

Israel has been far from the forefront of his agenda, taking a backseat to issues like income inequality, challenging Wall Street, and raising the minimum wage.  “Sanders has been relatively quiet as a senator on Israel issues,” said Tevi Troy, who served as the White House liaison to the Jewish community under president George W. Bush.  “Compared to Hillary Clinton, Sanders has been consistent in his role as a backbencher on Israel, while Hillary has gone back and forth a bit.”

Joe Lieberman was a lot more "Jewy" than Bernie Sanders.  No one ever mentions it but perhaps a contributing factor in Al Gore's defeat 16 years ago was that people didn't want "one of them" a heartbeat away from the Presidency.  But that was a different time and a different candidate.

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