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Re: Seems like we have LE's posting to this thread
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Posted By: TwerkWerk
 
Posted By: hobbypua
Let's define incriminating.  The police can arrest you based on your communication with the agency but that had better be some very incriminating conversation like you explicitely stated you wished sexual favors for money.  Supplying info to be screened or emails setting up an appointment would not be enough evidence for arrest.  However, you might be put on the police radar for a while.  I speak from experience.  If they do arrest based on meaningless conversation, LE would be opening themselves up for lawsuits based on unlawful arrest and/or harassment.  If I was arrested for just setting up an appointment or providing info to screen, you bet I would sue for unlawful arrest, false accusation and defamation of character.  And most likely for lost wages and future income being impacted by my inability to find better jobs due to an unjustified arrest record.  (And yes, a good lawyer is worth their weight in gold)  Regarding conviction, financial forensics could be applied but only if a trail was left like credit card.  I've read that this is a cash only business so if that is the case, there is no forensic evidence unless you were caught red handed forking over cash.  
     
  Regarding the subject line, I think some of us on this website have come to the conclusion that LE frequently monitors this board.  Hopefully, no one is shocked by that revelation.  It's fairly obvious based on the postings just for this thread.  For those of you who have not realized that already, think about it and reread all the posts.  You'll quickly be able to spot which ones are LE.  
     
  Final point:  I'm joining the chorus of members who have already stated that this information should be shared and is definitely one of the most critical value of this site.  I seem to recall that there was actually a specific board set up to discuss this subject matter but it seems it no longer exists.  Very disappointed that it was deleted.
   
 Add to it the fact that even if money is exchanged they have to be able to prove that sex was contracted...who's to say that a guy didn't just get a massage or have the girl dance for them?  Spoke to an attorney friend of mine who said going after the guys is unlikely as the cost to do so would be too prohibitive considering the number of guys and what can be proved.  Sure they could arrest and release phone numbers, but emails can be hacked...mine has been several times over the past few years, and unless you catch the guy red-handed as they usually do in stings, you almost never hear of charges being filed against the men.   Remember Heidi Fleiss, or the Maine Zumba gal?  Info was released but don't think there were any men charged...plus it potentially opens up the city to a huge class action suit for defamation, as they are inferring without proof of what these men did or did not do.  In the end, if called, deny, deny, deny...they can't get you unless you admit to having done anything criminal...even if they have a "victim" say what went on, it's circumstantial and her word against yours...my guess is the "victims" haven't been charged to get them to rollover on the owners, not the clients.  
   
 We'll see what happens, but just my two cents.  I was on the fence about giving up the hobby, and this might just do it for me.  The risk just ain't worth it anymore.

-- Modified on 11/8/2014 3:34:28 PM
there was actually 60 + client convictions in the Zumba case. But the thing there was the agency / woman kept insanely meticulous records, including client photos and secret videos of the acts! It was an avalanche of evidence. Even then only 1/2 of the possible johns met the criteria of "beyond a reasonable doubt" and got charged. In addition it was a political hot potato and Keenebunkport PD have not much else to do

crembor5952 reads

Let's say someone visited a provider and said provider had some issues resulting in some noteriety. Should the individual who only visited one time be concerned?

Asking for friend.  

TIA

wrps072788 reads

You never know what information gets leaked. Just make sure you get a lawyer and take the 5th if asked any questions. Sometimes LE goes on fishing information to get information to get more folks in trouble.

NO!!!   Not gonna happen unless you are a politician or high ranking person in the government.  It is not worth the  trouble to call, too hard to prove YOU did anything but want a companion for dinner or some company.  No witch hunts!!  Just have fun and go see someone and enjoy.

LE issues in ATL?  Was thinking of a hobby trip but, if it's too hot I won't.  PM or reply please.

-- Modified on 10/31/2014 8:40:34 PM

Good to know and probably right.  Recent activity reported today does raise a few concerns though, especially if frequent visits had been made.

You know that wickedly irresistible site Facebook, hookers cant resist advertising, in spite of it being a primarily mainstream, family oriented web space?  Guess what, LE has FB pages too. You should check out city of Dunwoody FB page before you start handing out frivolous advise JPW. Besides, don't you have another meet n greet to organize?

Damn . First I heard of all this. Just sent an email to that agency this afternoon asking why no schedule.

Your claim is the same of every agency owner.  Nobody keeps any records, it's all stored up in the ole memory brain bank.  How does one keep track of all those phone numbers, names and email addresses?  It's impossible without keeping records.  

When requesting a reference, and a provider say's let me get back with you on that...is she racking her brain, or is she sifting through emails and databases?

Its over 150 i have an Eidetic memory. Before I started my agency in 2006 I worked in the office for another agency & they actually put every detail from every phone call in the computer (kind of like Al Capone's ledgers lol) . Thats what I meant by no paper trail  I don't document anything but I understand u guys point  

 

Posted By: AndrewThompson
Your claim is the same of every agency owner.  Nobody keeps any records, it's all stored up in the ole memory brain bank.  How does one keep track of all those phone numbers, names and email addresses?  It's impossible without keeping records.    
   
 When requesting a reference, and a provider say's let me get back with you on that...is she racking her brain, or is she sifting through emails and databases?
-- Modified on 11/1/2014 11:22:10 AM

If you conversed with client by email it is documented whether you delete or not. Don't be naive. The trick in this business is not covering your tracks because that is impossible. The key is to not be a target and if you are an agency, you are a target.

On the integrity of those questioned. They either talk or they don't but with that many mixed nuts in the can, my money is on more arrests.

cashorcredit1718 reads

anyone who has a tendency to be a rat will start talking as soon as a sweet deal is made.  

After learning about what went down this past week. Things I will never do again fill out a web form, give out my home address, give my full name or visit a in call.  

I will pay for my own in call and if my TER handle and references aren't good enough so be it, when it comes to my freedom pussy will have to take a back seat.  

edited for typos  

-- Modified on 11/1/2014 2:37:36 AM

-- Modified on 11/1/2014 5:10:21 AM

and some honest discussion and opinion about the past few days.  Seems we could be looking out for each other a little more than spamming simple queries.  I'm not sure how much to be concerned...

TER was intended to help hobbyists to hobby safely. If we can't share info about an agency bust then what is the point of having a local discussion board? Besides "dick size" posts.

The local discussion board was created to help hobbyists share info. I think having two top agencies being raided warrant us as hobbyists to share info.

I am a little bit piss at TER for always deleting these posts because we as hobbyists need to know if shit is going down.

wrps072064 reads

It is done to justify spending for Vice. That town has 30 vice officers. Been hot for a very long time. They have been know to watch some hotels 24x7. You can see the media and the people being interviewed gloating....

Those women were not human trafficked and everyone knows it.  

You can tell something is up with his email address put posted on some of the articles. They have no case for human trafficking.

That LE is way more interested in the agency and not the people that patronize them. I mean come on they are listing the employees as victims ! They are not being charged and if they are not being charged I doubt they are going on a witch hunt looking for the patrons. I agree with Alias and WCM that this thread should stay alive as we need to be in the know also since we all have our concerns...... Some people not much and some way more but each person has them.

Yes and the victims will remain victims so long as they can contribute to the ongoing investigations.  
Too bad handing out green cards can't help this time.  
But I would say don't do anything careless and
Remember to have fun

I just watched the news video about the busts on the AJC website. I can't stand the media.

Using words like "human trafficking, forced to work, victims" etc. Please. We're adults and we know what we are doing. I've worked in crappy jobs my whole life, and this is by far the most enjoyable job I've ever had. I'm sure it still would be even if I paid an agency to do my screening, photography and advertising. I'm not a victim, and I'm tired of society thinking I am.

I'm so sorry for our friends at the two agencies that were busted. If you or your ladies are reading this, I hope this all blows over for you both, and I hope your ladies and clients are not affected by this.  (((((hugs)))))

Fuck tha police.

-- Modified on 11/1/2014 7:49:43 PM

I just read this on the WSBTV website:

"We've had several instances where people promote themselves as escorts, but it does lead to sex acts and prostitution," said Fecht. “So it's something we're trying to eliminate from our area so we can improve the quality of life for the citizens in Dunwoody."

And, how exactly, do we decrease the quality of life for citizens? We are behind closed doors or maybe out at a restaurant. I was under the impression that we increase the quality of life. LOL

Do the cops even believe their own crap?

Keep in mind, it's election day next week. This always seems to crop up around that time. Coincidence?

From the article I read there was talk of human trafficking and people being in an apartment against their will. Human trafficking is a disgusting, horrible thing. Were these girls in the apartment against their will? Unlikely. The article also said that they were drawn to it based on an unrelated complaint.

Most importantly, ajc\tv news are all after one thing: Money. Ratings = revenue. Clicks = revenue. Key words like prostitution and human trafficking are all buzz words that will get people watching the news and clicking on articles which controls ad rates. This ladies and gentleman is free enterprise at work.

HS

HarryWacker2128 reads

It's always about money...
In this case, ratings =money.

"26 victims" generates more ratings than 26 independent contractors or Form 1099 employees.
Police being unsure of how the victims were imprisoned/controlled makes more ratings than admitting those folks aren't necessarily victims.
Our local Home Depots have more exploited immigrants than our street corners, but busting illegal aliens who want to whore themselves as construction workers or gardners doesn't get ratings.  

50 yrs of War on Poverty, countless $ spent... poverty levels hold the same.
40+ yrs of War on Drugs, countless $ spent... prisons full of addicts.

But Ratings are increased by talking income inequality, drugs busts, and now prostitution rings.

Who wins? Lawyers and cops and the politicians who support them. Remember this come Election Day.

Oh, and Lawyer Up... a Retainer might come in handy.

Unless there is a video, there is no proving anyone was there.

HarryWacker1790 reads

Subversive acts (including aiding those involved in cash only businesses) are considered to be potential acts of terrorism... thus the NSA metadata collection servers. Seriously, actually read some of the Guardian stuff Snowden released.  
Most guys don't use burner phones...  so your texts, phone call records from ATT/Verizon, browser history from that same carrier, etc. may be easier to access than you think. Since only the IRS & State Dept can effectively lose emails, those emails will be confiscated as well. Remember that the Feds hit last week, not a County or state patrol. Feds have access to much more info that local yokels.
Also, Remember that the Court of Public Opinion does not require a jury nor judge, only prosecution. Cops say they busted a drug ring, most of us (and everyone else) think they must have something substantial to make the accusation.  
 In the case of last week, where some ppl here intimately know those involved, very few ppl (mainly here on TER) know than it's a bunch of hooey.  
Not saying that we should wear tinfoil hats, but part of this hobby is what we call Consenting Adults, the Law calls a crime. If they concentrate on us, they can and will find us.  
Never underestimate the reach of BIG BROTHER. Not yet 1984, but we're getting there.

Hard to find Harry

chuckiesss1780 reads

And at that time I used a credit card plus it was all.out call to a hotel. I never heard a thing from LE.

Krunchie1413 reads

Should have disputed CC charge, claiming fraud as you would never patronize such a disgusting business, giving you cover and deniability...haha.

chuckiesss1811 reads

What I understand the investigation and time to file charges could take months so most likely nothing will happen for some time.

cashorcredit2515 reads

are the guys who saw the underage gal, the article says they are looking for rats to cooperate with uncle L.  

Unless the agency was stupid enough to keep records of names, dates and times they will have a hard time proving a case against any guys.  

-- Modified on 11/3/2014 7:30:26 AM

chuckiesss1980 reads

Who was the underage girl.

Posted By: cashorcredit
are the guys who saw the underage gal, the article says they are looking for rats to corporate with uncle L.  
   
 Unless the agency was stupid enough to keep records of names, dates and times they will have a hard time proving a case against any guys.  

cashorcredit1737 reads

Per TER any discussion of delisted providers/agencies is not allowed on the site

chuckiesss3063 reads

And they are going after the clients.  Since this is media this will be a huge case.  Everyone that was a client can expect to hear something from le soon.  Heard this from my attorne

cashorcredit1760 reads

as much as I love agencies that would basically put an end to them in Atlanta. Hopefully they don't go after any guys, and besides trying to embarrass them all they could get is a solicitation charge.

I'm not sure why they are trying to blow this shit up, it's not like she was a millionaire or something at least I don't think she was. They got this shit on the Chicago, Carolina, and DC news.

-- Modified on 11/6/2014 3:12:59 AM

They can stir up trouble for anyone, sure. But putting someone at a certain place at a certain time and proving what went on will be very hard.

Posted By: cashorcredit
as much as I love agencies that would basically put an end to them in Atlanta. Hopefully they don't go after any guys, and besides trying to embarrass them all they could get is a solicitation charge.  
   
 I'm not sure why they are trying to blow this shit up, it's not like she was a millionaire or something at least I don't think she was. They got this shit on the Chicago, Carolina, and DC news.  

-- Modified on 11/6/2014 3:12:59 AM

pleasedontask1722 reads

and the electronic trial or emails, phone calls etc of anyone who used their real info.  A preponderance of evidence can lead to a lot of trouble.  Not to mention just being charged and your name appearing in public records is enough of a problem for many, it doesn't need to lead to conviction.

cashorcredit1661 reads

Still I'm no physic so I can't predict the outcome.  If something does happen the word will spread like a wildfire.  

They can go through the trouble if they want to prove it, that's why they are seeking cooperation.  

However If I had to make a prediction I don't think they are going to go after guys.

-- Modified on 11/6/2014 4:26:43 AM

why would your lawyer know this?

Posted By: chuckiesss
And they are going after the clients.  Since this is media this will be a huge case.  Everyone that was a client can expect to hear something from le soon.  Heard this from my attorney  
   
 

Let's define incriminating.  The police can arrest you based on your communication with the agency but that had better be some very incriminating conversation like you explicitely stated you wished sexual favors for money.  Supplying info to be screened or emails setting up an appointment would not be enough evidence for arrest.  However, you might be put on the police radar for a while.  I speak from experience.  If they do arrest based on meaningless conversation, LE would be opening themselves up for lawsuits based on unlawful arrest and/or harassment.  If I was arrested for just setting up an appointment or providing info to screen, you bet I would sue for unlawful arrest, false accusation and defamation of character.  And most likely for lost wages and future income being impacted by my inability to find better jobs due to an unjustified arrest record.  (And yes, a good lawyer is worth their weight in gold)  Regarding conviction, financial forensics could be applied but only if a trail was left like credit card.  I've read that this is a cash only business so if that is the case, there is no forensic evidence unless you were caught red handed forking over cash.

Regarding the subject line, I think some of us on this website have come to the conclusion that LE frequently monitors this board.  Hopefully, no one is shocked by that revelation.  It's fairly obvious based on the postings just for this thread.  For those of you who have not realized that already, think about it and reread all the posts.  You'll quickly be able to spot which ones are LE.

Final point:  I'm joining the chorus of members who have already stated that this information should be shared and is definitely one of the most critical value of this site.  I seem to recall that there was actually a specific board set up to discuss this subject matter but it seems it no longer exists.  Very disappointed that it was deleted.

Totally agree with the conclusion that LE frequently monitors this board.  And, providers should assume that LE frequently monitors any Providers-only boards.  Being careful is safer

Posted By: hobbypua
Let's define incriminating.  The police can arrest you based on your communication with the agency but that had better be some very incriminating conversation like you explicitely stated you wished sexual favors for money.  Supplying info to be screened or emails setting up an appointment would not be enough evidence for arrest.  However, you might be put on the police radar for a while.  I speak from experience.  If they do arrest based on meaningless conversation, LE would be opening themselves up for lawsuits based on unlawful arrest and/or harassment.  If I was arrested for just setting up an appointment or providing info to screen, you bet I would sue for unlawful arrest, false accusation and defamation of character.  And most likely for lost wages and future income being impacted by my inability to find better jobs due to an unjustified arrest record.  (And yes, a good lawyer is worth their weight in gold)  Regarding conviction, financial forensics could be applied but only if a trail was left like credit card.  I've read that this is a cash only business so if that is the case, there is no forensic evidence unless you were caught red handed forking over cash.  
   
 Regarding the subject line, I think some of us on this website have come to the conclusion that LE frequently monitors this board.  Hopefully, no one is shocked by that revelation.  It's fairly obvious based on the postings just for this thread.  For those of you who have not realized that already, think about it and reread all the posts.  You'll quickly be able to spot which ones are LE.  
   
 Final point:  I'm joining the chorus of members who have already stated that this information should be shared and is definitely one of the most critical value of this site.  I seem to recall that there was actually a specific board set up to discuss this subject matter but it seems it no longer exists.  Very disappointed that it was deleted.

TwerkWerk1661 reads

Posted By: hobbypua
Let's define incriminating.  The police can arrest you based on your communication with the agency but that had better be some very incriminating conversation like you explicitely stated you wished sexual favors for money.  Supplying info to be screened or emails setting up an appointment would not be enough evidence for arrest.  However, you might be put on the police radar for a while.  I speak from experience.  If they do arrest based on meaningless conversation, LE would be opening themselves up for lawsuits based on unlawful arrest and/or harassment.  If I was arrested for just setting up an appointment or providing info to screen, you bet I would sue for unlawful arrest, false accusation and defamation of character.  And most likely for lost wages and future income being impacted by my inability to find better jobs due to an unjustified arrest record.  (And yes, a good lawyer is worth their weight in gold)  Regarding conviction, financial forensics could be applied but only if a trail was left like credit card.  I've read that this is a cash only business so if that is the case, there is no forensic evidence unless you were caught red handed forking over cash.  
   
 Regarding the subject line, I think some of us on this website have come to the conclusion that LE frequently monitors this board.  Hopefully, no one is shocked by that revelation.  It's fairly obvious based on the postings just for this thread.  For those of you who have not realized that already, think about it and reread all the posts.  You'll quickly be able to spot which ones are LE.  
   
 Final point:  I'm joining the chorus of members who have already stated that this information should be shared and is definitely one of the most critical value of this site.  I seem to recall that there was actually a specific board set up to discuss this subject matter but it seems it no longer exists.  Very disappointed that it was deleted.
Add to it the fact that even if money is exchanged they have to be able to prove that sex was contracted...who's to say that a guy didn't just get a massage or have the girl dance for them?  Spoke to an attorney friend of mine who said going after the guys is unlikely as the cost to do so would be too prohibitive considering the number of guys and what can be proved.  Sure they could arrest and release phone numbers, but emails can be hacked...mine has been several times over the past few years, and unless you catch the guy red-handed as they usually do in stings, you almost never hear of charges being filed against the men.   Remember Heidi Fleiss, or the Maine Zumba gal?  Info was released but don't think there were any men charged...plus it potentially opens up the city to a huge class action suit for defamation, as they are inferring without proof of what these men did or did not do.  In the end, if called, deny, deny, deny...they can't get you unless you admit to having done anything criminal...even if they have a "victim" say what went on, it's circumstantial and her word against yours...my guess is the "victims" haven't been charged to get them to rollover on the owners, not the clients.

We'll see what happens, but just my two cents.  I was on the fence about giving up the hobby, and this might just do it for me.  The risk just ain't worth it anymore.

-- Modified on 11/8/2014 3:34:28 PM

Posted By: TwerkWerk
 
Posted By: hobbypua
Let's define incriminating.  The police can arrest you based on your communication with the agency but that had better be some very incriminating conversation like you explicitely stated you wished sexual favors for money.  Supplying info to be screened or emails setting up an appointment would not be enough evidence for arrest.  However, you might be put on the police radar for a while.  I speak from experience.  If they do arrest based on meaningless conversation, LE would be opening themselves up for lawsuits based on unlawful arrest and/or harassment.  If I was arrested for just setting up an appointment or providing info to screen, you bet I would sue for unlawful arrest, false accusation and defamation of character.  And most likely for lost wages and future income being impacted by my inability to find better jobs due to an unjustified arrest record.  (And yes, a good lawyer is worth their weight in gold)  Regarding conviction, financial forensics could be applied but only if a trail was left like credit card.  I've read that this is a cash only business so if that is the case, there is no forensic evidence unless you were caught red handed forking over cash.  
     
  Regarding the subject line, I think some of us on this website have come to the conclusion that LE frequently monitors this board.  Hopefully, no one is shocked by that revelation.  It's fairly obvious based on the postings just for this thread.  For those of you who have not realized that already, think about it and reread all the posts.  You'll quickly be able to spot which ones are LE.  
     
  Final point:  I'm joining the chorus of members who have already stated that this information should be shared and is definitely one of the most critical value of this site.  I seem to recall that there was actually a specific board set up to discuss this subject matter but it seems it no longer exists.  Very disappointed that it was deleted.
   
 Add to it the fact that even if money is exchanged they have to be able to prove that sex was contracted...who's to say that a guy didn't just get a massage or have the girl dance for them?  Spoke to an attorney friend of mine who said going after the guys is unlikely as the cost to do so would be too prohibitive considering the number of guys and what can be proved.  Sure they could arrest and release phone numbers, but emails can be hacked...mine has been several times over the past few years, and unless you catch the guy red-handed as they usually do in stings, you almost never hear of charges being filed against the men.   Remember Heidi Fleiss, or the Maine Zumba gal?  Info was released but don't think there were any men charged...plus it potentially opens up the city to a huge class action suit for defamation, as they are inferring without proof of what these men did or did not do.  In the end, if called, deny, deny, deny...they can't get you unless you admit to having done anything criminal...even if they have a "victim" say what went on, it's circumstantial and her word against yours...my guess is the "victims" haven't been charged to get them to rollover on the owners, not the clients.  
   
 We'll see what happens, but just my two cents.  I was on the fence about giving up the hobby, and this might just do it for me.  The risk just ain't worth it anymore.

-- Modified on 11/8/2014 3:34:28 PM

there was actually 60 + client convictions in the Zumba case. But the thing there was the agency / woman kept insanely meticulous records, including client photos and secret videos of the acts! It was an avalanche of evidence. Even then only 1/2 of the possible johns met the criteria of "beyond a reasonable doubt" and got charged. In addition it was a political hot potato and Keenebunkport PD have not much else to do

I was only screened by this agency but never made it to Atlanta. Email record shows regrets for not being able to pick date / time. Any cause for concern? Never mentioned any sexual act for money in emails.  

Posted By: crembor
Let's say someone visited a provider and said provider had some issues resulting in some noteriety. Should the individual who only visited one time be concerned?  
   
 Asking for friend.  
   
 TIA

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