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I agree, but for a different reason - because you take precaution seriously. To ask people whether they know an HIV carrier is not an accurate way of sampling. I don't know of any HIV patient to answer your question, but my Pharmacist friend is meeting many of them every day. Just look at the statistics. In atlanta, there are an estimated 30,000 people living with HIV/AIDS (Based on data from the Georgia Department of Human Resources’ Epidemiology Branch of the Division of Public Health). So your chance of being with a provider living with AIDS is 1 out of 16. So, according to the stat.,  you have slept with at least 1 HIV patient, lol. Pretty scarey, though, won't you say?



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I keep seeing everyone mention AIDS/HIV on here and projecting it on to everything.  I would not be surprised if someone soon asks if you can get it from a hand-job. :)  AND I would not be surprised if someone on this board seriously entertained the possibility of it!  I have also recently seen some crazy notions about AIDS on here, I know my generation was raised on this bogey man and it still scares us to this day.  So, I'm going to skip the usual, and just flat out say it: If you are not a male having sex with a male, an intravenous drug user, or someone that has unprotected sex with either of these groups, then your odds of contracting HIV are VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY low.  AND if you are a male, the are even lower than that!  Don't argue with me, just use www.google.com and in 10 min you will see that there are NO studies that don't PROVE this, it is a FACT, as in it's NOT an OPINION.  (WAIT . . . stop . . . I know you want to argue the point, I know you want to be lazy and not look it up and make up your facts, but stop right now . . . stop . . . open another tab on your browser and "google it".  Ok, done.)  But, that is just a preface to my real question, which isn't an argument about AIDS, it's a question.

See, once upon a time, like a couple of years ago, my buddy and I were talking and he likes to play the field.  While listing his conquests, I said "Dude, you've probably got AIDS by now."  And then he stumped me pretty good.  His question was: "Really?  How many people do you know personally that have AIDS, or had AIDS and died of it?"  I thought about it . . . "None." I replied.  I didn't know a SINGLE person with AIDS, and never have (not even the homosexuals I know have it).  He said "Ok.  Then perhaps you've had a conversation with a friend, and they've had a friend they mentioned had AIDS, or perhaps an old friend from highschool (just the ones you keep up with), maybe they've mentioned having AIDS?"  I thought about it again, and nope, NOT one.  "So, your scared of a disease that no one you know has, and no one you know has a friend that they've mentioned has it?"  Well, of course I'm scared, it's terminal, you get one shot, and then you're done.  That's all true, which is why I still take precautions.  BUT, he had a point, apparently, it's FUCKIN RARE.  

Now, this is my question to the board.  See, I'm a white, hetero, circumcised, middle aged male.  I don't do any drugs and have had no blood transfusions; my odds of getting HIV are almost NIL (I think it's currently at 0.1%).  AND the circles I run in, are all those people, which is why I don't know anyone or know anyone who knows someone with AIDS (of course absent people that don't discuss it or people that hide it).  But this is a hobby board, and there are different circles here.  So, the question to you is 1.  How many of your friends or relatives have AIDS?  2. How many people have friends or family mentioned they know someone with AIDS?  A final question: Of those of you that know someone with AIDS, do you think they got it from intravenous drug use, or receiving unprotected anal sex (as a behavior, not a sexual orientation-that means ladies that got it from a guy)?  

And final point.  I'm not saying BBFS is safe.  This is a hobby, the rules are different in this group, because the frequency and acts are more concentrated.  I also use condoms, though I LOVE getting my BBBJCIMNQNS!  And I think the other shit is out there waiting to get me: herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea, etc. so I suit up.  I'm asking you the same question I got asked, and since you are probably not an old straight white male, maybe you have a different EXPERIENCE?  I'm asking if your experience is different from mine.

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Posted By: Johnnycade
I keep seeing everyone mention AIDS/HIV on here and projecting it on to everything.  I would not be surprised if someone soon asks if you can get it from a hand-job. :)  AND I would not be surprised if someone on this board seriously entertained the possibility of it!  I have also recently seen some crazy notions about AIDS on here, I know my generation was raised on this bogey man and it still scares us to this day.  So, I'm going to skip the usual, and just flat out say it: If you are not a male having sex with a male, an intravenous drug user, or someone that has unprotected sex with either of these groups, then your odds of contracting HIV are VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY low.  AND if you are a male, the are even lower than that!  Don't argue with me, just use www.google.com and in 10 min you will see that there are NO studies that don't PROVE this, it is a FACT, as in it's NOT an OPINION.  (WAIT . . . stop . . . I know you want to argue the point, I know you want to be lazy and not look it up and make up your facts, but stop right now . . . stop . . . open another tab on your browser and "google it".  Ok, done.)  But, that is just a preface to my real question, which isn't an argument about AIDS, it's a question.  
   
 See, once upon a time, like a couple of years ago, my buddy and I were talking and he likes to play the field.  While listing his conquests, I said "Dude, you've probably got AIDS by now."  And then he stumped me pretty good.  His question was: "Really?  How many people do you know personally that have AIDS, or had AIDS and died of it?"  I thought about it . . . "None." I replied.  I didn't know a SINGLE person with AIDS, and never have (not even the homosexuals I know have it).  He said "Ok.  Then perhaps you've had a conversation with a friend, and they've had a friend they mentioned had AIDS, or perhaps an old friend from highschool (just the ones you keep up with), maybe they've mentioned having AIDS?"  I thought about it again, and nope, NOT one.  "So, your scared of a disease that no one you know has, and no one you know has a friend that they've mentioned has it?"  Well, of course I'm scared, it's terminal, you get one shot, and then you're done.  That's all true, which is why I still take precautions.  BUT, he had a point, apparently, it's FUCKIN RARE.    
   
 Now, this is my question to the board.  See, I'm a white, hetero, circumcised, middle aged male.  I don't do any drugs and have had no blood transfusions; my odds of getting HIV are almost NIL (I think it's currently at 0.1%).  AND the circles I run in, are all those people, which is why I don't know anyone or know anyone who knows someone with AIDS (of course absent people that don't discuss it or people that hide it).  But this is a hobby board, and there are different circles here.  So, the question to you is 1.  How many of your friends or relatives have AIDS?  2. How many people have friends or family mentioned they know someone with AIDS?  A final question: Of those of you that know someone with AIDS, do you think they got it from intravenous drug use, or receiving unprotected anal sex (as a behavior, not a sexual orientation-that means ladies that got it from a guy)?    
   
 And final point.  I'm not saying BBFS is safe.  This is a hobby, the rules are different in this group, because the frequency and acts are more concentrated.  I also use condoms, though I LOVE getting my BBBJCIMNQNS!  And I think the other shit is out there waiting to get me: herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea, etc. so I suit up.  I'm asking you the same question I got asked, and since you are probably not an old straight white male, maybe you have a different EXPERIENCE?  I'm asking if your experience is different from mine.
You're right of course. Right up until the point you get HIV. And then you're dead. Good luck, friend.

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tf1944584 reads

EOM

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2thdoc1980511 reads

As a health care provider let me say that in Atlanta the HIV rate is pretty high, especially among certain racial groups.  Let me also say that your "friends" may not tell you they are HIV positive.  With a lot of the new medications out there viral loads can be kept down but it's still out there.  I wouldn't be cavalier about it.  Many feel that the face of AIDS/HIV has been watered down to a Magic Johnson type of HIV + (basically something akin to having Type II diabetes, you know you have it but if you monitor it, its not that debilitating unless you MUST have fried chicken and cake).  But I like the discourse and you bring up a great debate...I will tell you that I know of having at least 8 HIV+ patients and they look very normal, no KS lesions, no IV drug use, and only 1 is gay...3 are married in hetero relationships.  AIDS is not the Gay plague...and even if it were there are bisexuals out there which can infect women.  Lastly, sex produces friction and small tears in the anus or vagina which means the woman is more at risk than the man for AIDS transmission.  The women of this hobby have done an admiral job of pushing condom usage IMHO and it protects them and us.  That being said, I'm still a horny bastard and even protected sex is not without risks.

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Johnnycade434 reads

As a health care provider you have unusual access to AIDS/HIV infected; first they come for medical treatment, so they reveal themselves to you (when they probably would not reveal themselves to others); and you get to question them about their sexual practices.

First question is, of these 8 HIV positive people, how many do you know from your personal life (friends, family, friend of a friend)?  I'm curious if absent your profession, you have knowledge of HIV positive people.

Second, how many of the eight were women?

Third, what were the other 4?  Were they hetero-single?

Fourth, how many of the 8 were middle aged, white males with no history of IV drug abuse?  I'm curious to know if your experience matches the statistics (which appears to be near to 1 in 1,000 if I read the studies right).

Fifth, given their lack of lesions, or history of IV drug abuse, are you attributing all of these to micro-lesions  from intercourse?  Were they primarily women?  I would think they would be, because their chances of contracting HIV from intercourse is at least a couple orders of magnitude higher than males.

I agree, HIV/AIDS is not a gay plague (sub-saharan Africa proves that point pretty well), but it is a sexual behavior plague.  It just so happens that gay men engage in the riskiest transmission vector for this disease.  And I agree, the bisexual male is the most dangerous bridge between two groups that engage in primarily different (though not 100% different) sexual behaviors.  IV drug users demonstrate how much more risky their behavior is, compared to all other groups, because they deal in blood, and this is a blood disease.

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Posted By: 2thdoc1980
As a health care provider let me say that in Atlanta the HIV rate is pretty high, especially among certain racial groups.  Let me also say that your "friends" may not tell you they are HIV positive.  With a lot of the new medications out there viral loads can be kept down but it's still out there.  I wouldn't be cavalier about it.  Many feel that the face of AIDS/HIV has been watered down to a Magic Johnson type of HIV + (basically something akin to having Type II diabetes, you know you have it but if you monitor it, its not that debilitating unless you MUST have fried chicken and cake).  But I like the discourse and you bring up a great debate...I will tell you that I know of having at least 8 HIV+ patients and they look very normal, no KS lesions, no IV drug use, and only 1 is gay...3 are married in hetero relationships.  AIDS is not the Gay plague...and even if it were there are bisexuals out there which can infect women.  Lastly, sex produces friction and small tears in the anus or vagina which means the woman is more at risk than the man for AIDS transmission.  The women of this hobby have done an admiral job of pushing condom usage IMHO and it protects them and us.  That being said, I'm still a horny bastard and even protected sex is not without risks.
As another healthcare provider, I was thinking all the things you said but decided I was too lazy to respond. Then I read your post. I'll simply "like" it and second it.  
---later

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anonymousfun476 reads

I also believe one has to do many dangerous and stupid things to get diseases such as HIV/AIDS and Ebola for example.

t is like going to Mexico and drinking water knowing that your are going to get diaherrea but some do it still.

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Posted By: anonymousfun
I also believe one has to do many dangerous and stupid things to get diseases such as HIV/AIDS and Ebola for example.  
   
 t is like going to Mexico and drinking water knowing that your are going to get diaherrea but some do it still.
It's very easy for many to do "many dangerous and stupid things". That's the whole point of this thread.

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anonymousfun463 reads

Think not.

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1232112509 reads

You just exchanged a hand shake with an old friend who just came from... well, west Africa.  He is just starting to show the symptom,  but he didn't know he had ebola. Giving your old friend a shake is neither stupid nor dangerous, but you may now be an ebola patient. Don't generalize my friend.

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I agree, but for a different reason - because you take precaution seriously. To ask people whether they know an HIV carrier is not an accurate way of sampling. I don't know of any HIV patient to answer your question, but my Pharmacist friend is meeting many of them every day. Just look at the statistics. In atlanta, there are an estimated 30,000 people living with HIV/AIDS (Based on data from the Georgia Department of Human Resources’ Epidemiology Branch of the Division of Public Health). So your chance of being with a provider living with AIDS is 1 out of 16. So, according to the stat.,  you have slept with at least 1 HIV patient, lol. Pretty scarey, though, won't you say?



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Johnnycade450 reads

Of course a Pharmacist has a pretty good view of people managing their HIV.  But it also puts that person in an unusual position to see all sorts of people managing various diseases that are even more rare.  You should ask your pharmacist friend of all those people with HIV, how many are known personally or through a friend.  

Also, when you ran your math of 30,000 was that ALL or a sub-group of infected?  If you chose all, then I would say, I'm definitely not going to have sex with any dudes, and I'm not going to share needles with any infected drug users.  My primary date is a white or asian female, and an occasional AA female.  Extrapolating annual new infection demographics and behaviors, that would be something less than 1,000 hetero-sexual white and asian females in Atlanta that has HIV/AIDS, and somewhere between 3,000 to 4,000 black hetero females with HIV/AIDS in Atalanta.  Further, I don't see backpage girls and I often see providers that are very experienced and well reviewed (but admittedly, some were less reputable than others).  I'm would say I probably have yet to encounter my HIV positive girl, but I'm sure she's out there and I will meet her one day.  Fortunately, I use condoms and don't have sex with women that have open sores.

As a side note, I do most of my fucking in Canada, and their infection rates are even lower!  ALL heterosexual only cases across all races, ages and genders only resulted in new 23 diagnosed cases in 2011, that's amazing.

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StinaValentine544 reads

Most were straight and didn't shoot up. That doesn't include the patients I met when I was a candy striper 17 years ago.

I'd bet that a lot of you do actually know a person with HIV, but that person just didn't choose to tell you. People with HIV don't talk about their diagnoses as much and people suffering from cancer because of the stigma attached to it.

1.7 million have been diagnosed with HIV/AIDS in America since 1981 when that flight attendant brought it to San Francisco. 41,000 in my state are diagnosed. That doesn't include the number of people that don't even know they have it.

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Johnnycade385 reads

How many is plenty?  I'm assuming more than several.  If so, the fact that you know more than several heterosexuals with HIV would be very unusual.  How did you come to know these people?  Were they from the same home town, school, profession, did they all have something in common?

What would you say was the ratio of men to women that you have known?

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StinaValentine446 reads

All but one in the Bay Area where I grew up and one in Portland where I spent most of my adulthood. 4 women, 2 men. Men that don't receive buttsex don't catch it as easily as women (more proof God is a misogynist lol). My cousin and his wife are +. One of my girlfriends in high school got it back then, that was really devastating. I was the only person that knew for nearly two years till she got the guts to tell her parents. Two of my mom's close friends are +. And, my neighbor when I lived in Portland. He probably would have never told me but, he cut his hand splitting wood in the yard, and I ran to help him dress it, but he told me he was positive and said he'd better do it himself.

When I was a candy striper, the few patients I met with HIV were gay men. I used to do the AIDS Walk San Francisco every year with my mom and her friends, so obviously there were a lot of + folks there. Couldn't tell you how many panhandler cardboard signs I saw growing up that said "HIV+". I saw a homeless man lying on the sidewalk when I was 6 (1989)who was dying from AIDS. He was skin and bones, had patches of hair missing and lesions on his face and arms. I'll never forget it. :( What a horrible disease.

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FakeAlert444 reads

What is the chance of contracting Herpes or AIDS with a BBBJ and CIM for a guy? Google gives so many answers its confusing.

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StinaValentine417 reads

You'd need her blood to go into an open wound on your penis. HIV isn't in saliva or sweat. Blood, spunk and pussy juice only.

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89Springer347 reads

Granted, he was gay, but that's one I know. I'm pretty certain another old friend of mine, also gay, has AIDS.

During my brief promiscuous period before marriage, I contracted gonorrhea twice in the span of six months. At that time the rate for gonorrhea in the US was 350 out of 100,000 people. If you control for people who aren't sexually active, it becomes a smaller pool than 100,000 but it's still rare.  That I could get it twice in six months says something about odds.

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