Politics and Religion
Why? Because im quoting from a Pastor? Or are you uncomfortable with a Jew who stands up to you?
If this article had been written by a Jew and published in an Israeli newspaper, I would not blame the Laffy's or Planet Stupid if they went apoplectic.
But THIS article is published in a major New York newspaper and the author is an IRANIAN national... the link to the complete article is provided below.
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Iran publishes book on how to outwit US and destroy Israel
by Amir Taheri
While Secretary of State John Kerry and President Obama do their best to paper over the brutality of the Iranian regime and force through a nuclear agreement, Iran’s religious leader has another issue on his mind: The destruction of Israel.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has published a new book called “Palestine,” a 416-page screed against the Jewish state. A blurb on the back cover credits Khamenei as “The flagbearer of Jihad to liberate Jerusalem.”
Khamenei makes his position clear from the start: Israel has no right to exist as a state.
He uses three words. One is “nabudi” which means “annihilation.” The other is “imha” which means “fading out,” and, finally, there is “zaval” meaning “effacement.”
Khamenei claims that his strategy for the destruction of Israel is not based on anti-Semitism, which he describes as a European phenomenon. His position is instead based on “well-established Islamic principles.”
One such principle is that a land that falls under Muslim rule, even briefly, can never again be ceded to non-Muslims. What matters in Islam is ownership of a land’s government, even if the majority of inhabitants are non-Muslims.
Khomeinists are not alone in this belief.
Dozens of maps circulate in the Muslim world showing the extent of Muslim territories lost to the Infidel that must be recovered.
These include large parts of Russia and Europe, almost a third of China, the whole of India and parts of The Philippines and Thailand.
However, according to Khamenei, Israel, which he labels as “adou” and “doshman,” meaning “enemy” and “foe,” is a special case for three reasons.
The first is that it is a loyal “ally of the American Great Satan” and a key element in its “evil scheme” to dominate “the heartland of the Ummah.”
The second reason is that Israel has waged war on Muslims on a number of occasions, thus becoming “a hostile infidel,” or “kaffir al-harbi.”
Finally, Israel is a special case because it occupies Jerusalem, which Khamenei describes as “Islam’s third Holy City.”
He intimates that one of his “most cherished wishes” is to one day pray in Jerusalem.
Khamenei insists that he is not recommending “classical wars” to wipe Israel off the map. Nor does he want to “massacre the Jews.” What he recommends is a long period of low-intensity warfare designed to make life unpleasant if not impossible for a majority of Israeli Jews so that they leave the country.
His calculation is based on the assumption that large numbers of Israelis have double-nationality and would prefer emigration to the United States and Europe to daily threats of death.
Khamenei makes no reference to Iran’s nuclear program. But the subtext is that a nuclear-armed Iran would make Israel think twice before trying to counter Khamenei’s strategy by taking military action against the Islamic Republic.
In Khamenei’s analysis, once the cost of staying in Israel has become too high for many Jews, Western powers, notably the US, which have supported the Jewish state for decades, might decide that the cost of doing so is higher than possible benefits.
Thanks to President Obama, the US has already distanced itself from Israel to a degree unimaginable a decade ago.
Khamenei counts on what he sees as “Israel fatigue.” The international community would start looking for what he calls “a practical and logical mechanism” to end the old conflict.
Khamenei’s “practical and logical mechanism” excludes the two-state formula in any form.
“The solution is a one-state formula,” he declares. That state, to be called Palestine, would be under Muslim rule but would allow non-Muslims, including some Israeli Jews who could prove “genuine roots” in the region to stay as “protected minorities.”
Under Khamenei’s scheme, Israel, plus the West Bank and Gaza, would revert to a United Nations mandate for a brief period during which a referendum is held to create the new state of Palestine.
All Palestinians and their descendants, wherever they are, would be able to vote, while Jews “who have come from other places” would be excluded.
Khamenei does not mention any figures for possible voters in his dream referendum. But studies by the Islamic Foreign Ministry in Tehran suggest that at least eight million Palestinians across the globe would be able to vote against 2.2 million Jews “acceptable” as future second-class citizens of new Palestine. Thus, the “Supreme Guide” is certain of the results of his proposed referendum.
He does not make clear whether the Kingdom of Jordan, which is located in 80% of historic Palestine, would be included in his one-state scheme. However, a majority of Jordanians are of Palestinian extraction and would be able to vote in the referendum and, logically, become citizens of the new Palestine.
Holocaust ‘propaganda’
Khamenei boasts about the success of his plans to make life impossible for Israelis through terror attacks from Lebanon and Gaza. His latest scheme is to recruit “fighters” in the West Bank to set up Hezbollah-style units.
“We have intervened in anti-Israel matters, and it brought victory in the 33-day war by Hezbollah against Israel in 2006 and in the 22-day war between Hamas and Israel in the Gaza Strip,” he boasts.
Khamenei describes Israel as “a cancerous tumor” whose elimination would mean that “the West’s hegemony and threats will be discredited” in the Middle East. In its place, he boasts, “the hegemony of Iran will be promoted.”
Khamenei’s book also deals with the Holocaust which he regards either as “a propaganda ploy” or a disputed claim. “If there was such a thing,” he writes, “we don’t know why it happened and how.”
This is what Iran’s leaders are preaching to their people and their allies in the Middle East. Do we really want to give succor?
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I'm tired of this duplicitous pussy footing around the edges of civility.
To Khamenei, and any of YOU who agree with his goals, I say this:
Koos-O'mukh you ass clowns! Never Again!! You Want Some? Come Get Some.
But THIS article is published in a major New York newspaper and the author is an IRANIAN national... the link to the complete article is provided below.
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Iran publishes book on how to outwit US and destroy Israel
by Amir Taheri
While Secretary of State John Kerry and President Obama do their best to paper over the brutality of the Iranian regime and force through a nuclear agreement, Iran’s religious leader has another issue on his mind: The destruction of Israel.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has published a new book called “Palestine,” a 416-page screed against the Jewish state. A blurb on the back cover credits Khamenei as “The flagbearer of Jihad to liberate Jerusalem.”
Khamenei makes his position clear from the start: Israel has no right to exist as a state.
He uses three words. One is “nabudi” which means “annihilation.” The other is “imha” which means “fading out,” and, finally, there is “zaval” meaning “effacement.”
Khamenei claims that his strategy for the destruction of Israel is not based on anti-Semitism, which he describes as a European phenomenon. His position is instead based on “well-established Islamic principles.”
One such principle is that a land that falls under Muslim rule, even briefly, can never again be ceded to non-Muslims. What matters in Islam is ownership of a land’s government, even if the majority of inhabitants are non-Muslims.
Khomeinists are not alone in this belief.
Dozens of maps circulate in the Muslim world showing the extent of Muslim territories lost to the Infidel that must be recovered.
These include large parts of Russia and Europe, almost a third of China, the whole of India and parts of The Philippines and Thailand.
However, according to Khamenei, Israel, which he labels as “adou” and “doshman,” meaning “enemy” and “foe,” is a special case for three reasons.
The first is that it is a loyal “ally of the American Great Satan” and a key element in its “evil scheme” to dominate “the heartland of the Ummah.”
The second reason is that Israel has waged war on Muslims on a number of occasions, thus becoming “a hostile infidel,” or “kaffir al-harbi.”
Finally, Israel is a special case because it occupies Jerusalem, which Khamenei describes as “Islam’s third Holy City.”
He intimates that one of his “most cherished wishes” is to one day pray in Jerusalem.
Khamenei insists that he is not recommending “classical wars” to wipe Israel off the map. Nor does he want to “massacre the Jews.” What he recommends is a long period of low-intensity warfare designed to make life unpleasant if not impossible for a majority of Israeli Jews so that they leave the country.
His calculation is based on the assumption that large numbers of Israelis have double-nationality and would prefer emigration to the United States and Europe to daily threats of death.
Khamenei makes no reference to Iran’s nuclear program. But the subtext is that a nuclear-armed Iran would make Israel think twice before trying to counter Khamenei’s strategy by taking military action against the Islamic Republic.
In Khamenei’s analysis, once the cost of staying in Israel has become too high for many Jews, Western powers, notably the US, which have supported the Jewish state for decades, might decide that the cost of doing so is higher than possible benefits.
Thanks to President Obama, the US has already distanced itself from Israel to a degree unimaginable a decade ago.
Khamenei counts on what he sees as “Israel fatigue.” The international community would start looking for what he calls “a practical and logical mechanism” to end the old conflict.
Khamenei’s “practical and logical mechanism” excludes the two-state formula in any form.
“The solution is a one-state formula,” he declares. That state, to be called Palestine, would be under Muslim rule but would allow non-Muslims, including some Israeli Jews who could prove “genuine roots” in the region to stay as “protected minorities.”
Under Khamenei’s scheme, Israel, plus the West Bank and Gaza, would revert to a United Nations mandate for a brief period during which a referendum is held to create the new state of Palestine.
All Palestinians and their descendants, wherever they are, would be able to vote, while Jews “who have come from other places” would be excluded.
Khamenei does not mention any figures for possible voters in his dream referendum. But studies by the Islamic Foreign Ministry in Tehran suggest that at least eight million Palestinians across the globe would be able to vote against 2.2 million Jews “acceptable” as future second-class citizens of new Palestine. Thus, the “Supreme Guide” is certain of the results of his proposed referendum.
He does not make clear whether the Kingdom of Jordan, which is located in 80% of historic Palestine, would be included in his one-state scheme. However, a majority of Jordanians are of Palestinian extraction and would be able to vote in the referendum and, logically, become citizens of the new Palestine.
Holocaust ‘propaganda’
Khamenei boasts about the success of his plans to make life impossible for Israelis through terror attacks from Lebanon and Gaza. His latest scheme is to recruit “fighters” in the West Bank to set up Hezbollah-style units.
“We have intervened in anti-Israel matters, and it brought victory in the 33-day war by Hezbollah against Israel in 2006 and in the 22-day war between Hamas and Israel in the Gaza Strip,” he boasts.
Khamenei describes Israel as “a cancerous tumor” whose elimination would mean that “the West’s hegemony and threats will be discredited” in the Middle East. In its place, he boasts, “the hegemony of Iran will be promoted.”
Khamenei’s book also deals with the Holocaust which he regards either as “a propaganda ploy” or a disputed claim. “If there was such a thing,” he writes, “we don’t know why it happened and how.”
This is what Iran’s leaders are preaching to their people and their allies in the Middle East. Do we really want to give succor?
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I'm tired of this duplicitous pussy footing around the edges of civility.
To Khamenei, and any of YOU who agree with his goals, I say this:
Koos-O'mukh you ass clowns! Never Again!! You Want Some? Come Get Some.
From the poem by Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) :
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
First They Came is a famous statement and provocative poem written by Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the cowardice of German intellectuals following the Nazis' rise to power and the subsequent purging of their chosen targets, group after group.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
First They Came is a famous statement and provocative poem written by Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the cowardice of German intellectuals following the Nazis' rise to power and the subsequent purging of their chosen targets, group after group.
This is why no one can take fear propaganda seriously.
So did you forget the Iraq war bullshit lies and propaganda.
Some people are full of shit.
I see the same with this pastor and your comments.
So did you forget the Iraq war bullshit lies and propaganda.
Some people are full of shit.
I see the same with this pastor and your comments.
Oh man, your ignorance is profound.
Firstly I direct you to scan further down the thread where I provide a half dozen other online sources and newsfeeds. Even did it slowly so you'd understand.
No, I have not forgotten the lies and deception and conniving of the Axis of Evil (Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld). In fact I challenge you to find a single post I made over the years 2002-2008 supporting their foul and malignant war efforts in Iraq. I often lamented the distaste with which I had to acknowledge that I was in favor of their pro-Israel policies. You see, I have always believed that alliance with Israel is good for America, but invading Iraq was bad for America. I don't mind if you disagree with me on principle, but give it substance, not dreck.
Secondly, perhaps you had best educate yourself as to who this Pastor was. Your comments about him reflect a level of ignorance that would not even be tolerated in Mississippi.
Here's a link to the wiki - unless you think that the wiki is also a Zionist conspiracy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller
and the wiki link about the poem itself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...
do us both a favor. take a minute to read the links. Educate yourself and then come back and tell me this pastor was full of shit. Or, you can continue to sit there and stroke yourself into a frenzy like Planet Stupid, and I will decide you aint worth the bother like I did the Maroon Platoon.
Excellent article and consistent with other non-hysterical analysis of the goals of the hardliners. I respectfully offer four points for your consideration.
1. First, and most important, this article rebuts any notion that even Khamenei and the other hard line thugs have any genocidal intent. They do not want to kill all the Jews; they believe Israel is an illegal state and are happy to resort to sponsoring terrorism to make life for Israelis so unbearable that they will leave.
Indeed, Iran has about 9000 Jews today. They could leave if they wanted to – they choose to live in Iran. They do not have complete equal rights and suffer some degree of discrimination but there are no pogroms; they worship freely; and there is even a Jew in the Iranian Parliament. If you believe Jonathan Cook, a British journalist living in Israel and foremost critic of Benji and company, Jewish donors offered Iranian Jews $60,000 to immigrate to Israel – and did not get many takers.
2. I totally disagree with the “How to Outwit the US and Destroy Israel” headline.
In fact, I suspect it was written by the NY Post, not Mr. Taheri. I presume the Obama admin is fully aware of everything in the “screed.” It is entirely consistent with the admin’s view of “prevent the bomb now” and we will use other measures to deal with Iran sponsored terrorism and other bad acts. How does this plan “outwit” the United States?
3. Raise your hand if you think this plan will “destroy” Israel
I don’t see ANY hands raised. Not only is Khamenei’s goal of causing the “majority of Jews to leave the country” not working, the opposite is happening. At the end of 2014, the number of Israelis leaving the country was at an ALL TIME LOW, according to the Times Of Israel. Immigration to Israel – about 26000 – was the highest in ten years. The plan is an utter failure.
4. Is there anything in this article that would make you vote against the Iran agreement?
Remember, but for the negotiations and agreement, Iran would already have a bomb, or at least enough enriched material, is they so chose. If no agreement, breakout time is three months. The trade off is more money for the “low intensity warfare” vs allowing Iran to have a bomb. That is an easy decision for me. As set forth below, I totally disagree that any form of “coercive diplomacy” will work AFTER Iran becomes a nuclear power – and that is the risk you take if you vote down the agreement.
OK Mari - let's play1. First, and most important, this article rebuts any notion that even Khamenei and the other hard line thugs have any genocidal intent. They do not want to kill all the Jews; they believe Israel is an illegal state and are happy to resort to sponsoring terrorism to make life for Israelis so unbearable that they will leave.
Indeed, Iran has about 9000 Jews today. They could leave if they wanted to – they choose to live in Iran. They do not have complete equal rights and suffer some degree of discrimination but there are no pogroms; they worship freely; and there is even a Jew in the Iranian Parliament. If you believe Jonathan Cook, a British journalist living in Israel and foremost critic of Benji and company, Jewish donors offered Iranian Jews $60,000 to immigrate to Israel – and did not get many takers.
2. I totally disagree with the “How to Outwit the US and Destroy Israel” headline.
In fact, I suspect it was written by the NY Post, not Mr. Taheri. I presume the Obama admin is fully aware of everything in the “screed.” It is entirely consistent with the admin’s view of “prevent the bomb now” and we will use other measures to deal with Iran sponsored terrorism and other bad acts. How does this plan “outwit” the United States?
3. Raise your hand if you think this plan will “destroy” Israel
I don’t see ANY hands raised. Not only is Khamenei’s goal of causing the “majority of Jews to leave the country” not working, the opposite is happening. At the end of 2014, the number of Israelis leaving the country was at an ALL TIME LOW, according to the Times Of Israel. Immigration to Israel – about 26000 – was the highest in ten years. The plan is an utter failure.
4. Is there anything in this article that would make you vote against the Iran agreement?
Remember, but for the negotiations and agreement, Iran would already have a bomb, or at least enough enriched material, is they so chose. If no agreement, breakout time is three months. The trade off is more money for the “low intensity warfare” vs allowing Iran to have a bomb. That is an easy decision for me. As set forth below, I totally disagree that any form of “coercive diplomacy” will work AFTER Iran becomes a nuclear power – and that is the risk you take if you vote down the agreement.
Here - I'll give it to you one more time... slowly... so... you...will... understand...
The NY Post wasn't the only source. Newsfeeds for the Left the Right and even Planet Stupid have weighed in.
http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/middle-east/80681-150802-iran-s-supreme-leader-publishes-book-calling-to-wipe-out-israel
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Iran-book-destroy-israel/2015/08/01/id/664999/
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/08/irans_supreme_leader_khameni_publishes_book_on_how_to_eliminate_israel.html
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/08/khamenis-kampf.php
http://www.observerchronicle.com/breaking/iran-publishes-book-on-how-to-destroy-israel/33453/
All I had to do was Google "Ayatollah publishes". It aint no secret, sonny boy.
And next time, hijack someone elses thread with your irrelevant comments. Be as smarmy and snarky as you want but stay on point or stfu.
The NY Post wasn't the only source. Newsfeeds for the Left the Right and even Planet Stupid have weighed in.
http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/middle-east/80681-150802-iran-s-supreme-leader-publishes-book-calling-to-wipe-out-israel
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Iran-book-destroy-israel/2015/08/01/id/664999/
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/08/irans_supreme_leader_khameni_publishes_book_on_how_to_eliminate_israel.html
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/08/khamenis-kampf.php
http://www.observerchronicle.com/breaking/iran-publishes-book-on-how-to-destroy-israel/33453/
All I had to do was Google "Ayatollah publishes". It aint no secret, sonny boy.
And next time, hijack someone elses thread with your irrelevant comments. Be as smarmy and snarky as you want but stay on point or stfu.
... and since when is Google a right wing mouthpiece?
I am bleeding out of my eyes from reading your ignorance.
I am bleeding out of my eyes from reading your ignorance.
You fucking moron, I'm a registered Democrat.
This is because you are to brainwashed with GOP lies.
So what else are you going to say when your arguments are built on lies and falsehoods.
So what else are you going to say when your arguments are built on lies and falsehoods.
... and since when is Google a right wing mouthpiece?
I am bleeding out of my eyes from reading your ignorance.
I am bleeding out of my eyes from reading your ignorance.