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Hero my ass! The only reason he stayed on in Vietnam was because he felt he had disgraced his father
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..............a Navy Admiral. He thought it was much easier staying and dealing with his Vietnamese captors than facing his father after his confessions. Besides why leave the Hanoi Hilton when many of his fellow prison inmates say he was treated like a crown prince and screeching like a songbird. Even McCain acknowledges this fact in his book Faith of my Father.

Even McCain In his bestselling 1999 autobiography, Faith of My Fathers, says he felt bad throughout his captivity because he knew he was being treated more leniently than his fellow POWs, owing to his high-ranking father and thus his propaganda value. Other prisoners at Hoa Lo say his captors considered him a prize catch and called him the “Crown Prince,” something McCain acknowledges in the book.

Also in this memoir, McCain expresses guilt at having broken under torture and given the confession. “I felt faithless and couldn’t control my despair,” he writes, revealing that he made two “feeble” attempts at suicide. (In later years, he said he tried to hang himself with his shirt and guards intervened.) Tellingly, he says he lived in “dread” that his father would find out about the confession. “I still wince,” he writes, “when I recall wondering if my father had heard of my disgrace.”
Here's more.............
Fellow Hanoi prisoner, Dennis Johnson reports that every time he saw McCain, who was generally kept segregated, the man was clean-shaven, dressed in fresh clothes, and appeared comfortable among North Vietnamese Army officers. He adds that he frequently heard McCain’s collaborative statements broadcast over the prison’s loud speakers.

On October 26, 1967, John McCain’s A-4 Skyhawk was shot down over Hanoi. The fractures of 1 leg and both arms were reportedly due to his failure to tuck them in during ejection.  

According to U.S. News & World Report (May 14, 1973), John McCain didn’t wait long before offering military information in return for medical care. While an extraordinary patient at Gi Lam Hospital, he was visited by a number of dignitaries, including, to quote John McCain himself, General Vo Nguyen Giap, the national hero of Dienbienphu.

Jack McLamb is a highly respected name in law enforcement circles. After 9 years of clandestine operations in Cambodia and unmentionable areas, he returned home to Phoenix where he became one of the most decorated police officers on record. Twice McLamb was named Officer of the Year. He went on to become an FBI hostage negotiator. This man has stated that every one of the many former POWs he has talked with consider McCain a traitor.

States McLamb, “He was never tortured…The Vietnamese Communists called him the Songbird, that’s his code name, Songbird McCain, because he just came into the camp singing and telling them everything they wanted to know.” McLamb further quotes former POWs as saying John McCain starred in 32 propaganda videos in which he denounced his country and comrades.
McCain is a survivor, nothing more nothing less! If he wants to set his Vietnam record straight then he should UNSEAL his military records immediately.
 
Posted By: JackDunphy
Yes, Ed was saying McCain was a hero,  NOT simply because he was captured but because he stayed when he was offered his release.  
   
 Thank you for reinforcing the exact point I was making.  
   
   
   
   
 

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A soldier does NOT become a war hero by being captured by the enemy.  He might become one through what he did before or after that, but the act of being captured itself doesn't qualify because he did NOT choose to be captured. Valor and heroism is voluntary. It is a decision, a choice. Capture is not!

I doubt McCain's first wife considers him a "Hero". While McCain was in Vietnam, she was involved in an accident that severly disfigured her legs. McCain returned from Vietnam and found the former swim suit model wife he had left behind was no more. She had gained weight and was severly crippled. So he ditched her for a very wealthy and beautiful heiress, who not only became his lover but financed his political campaigns.

War hero eh?  I think not! His first wife, was the real hero!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed3F9TDEjcg

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Why are McCain's war records sealed as a matter of national security? Some Veitnam veterans allege McCain while a war prisioner wouldn't stop talking to his captors. The attached video reveals much about this snake and John Kerry too.

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After family influence got McCain into Annapolis he proved a less than stellar student; graduating the Naval Academy at near bottom of his class. I also recall reading where his flying record was less than "heroic". I think it was McCain's forgetting to enable a defensive warning system on his plane that got him 'shot-down' and IN the POW camp.

IMO McCain is a war-hawk mediocrity who got where he is by 'family legacy' and marrying his second wife's money.

Serendipity happens; but it doesn't equate to heroics.

Is McCain a hero or not? You have now taken both sides of the issue. LOL

Who is saying McCain was a war hero simply because he was captured?

WHO????????????????????????

...Last week, I posted that I agreed with Trump that McCain was no hero:

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=249221&boardID=39&page=#249221

ed2000 "strongly disagreed" with my contention that McCain was not a hero.  To me, that means he said McCain WAS a hero.  Now, you and the lurker can go ahead and parse what he said.  Be my guest:

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=249275&boardID=39&page=#249275

Yes, Ed was saying McCain was a hero,  NOT simply because he was captured but because he stayed when he was offered his release.

Thank you for reinforcing the exact point I was making.

 

 


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..............a Navy Admiral. He thought it was much easier staying and dealing with his Vietnamese captors than facing his father after his confessions. Besides why leave the Hanoi Hilton when many of his fellow prison inmates say he was treated like a crown prince and screeching like a songbird. Even McCain acknowledges this fact in his book Faith of my Father.

Even McCain In his bestselling 1999 autobiography, Faith of My Fathers, says he felt bad throughout his captivity because he knew he was being treated more leniently than his fellow POWs, owing to his high-ranking father and thus his propaganda value. Other prisoners at Hoa Lo say his captors considered him a prize catch and called him the “Crown Prince,” something McCain acknowledges in the book.

Also in this memoir, McCain expresses guilt at having broken under torture and given the confession. “I felt faithless and couldn’t control my despair,” he writes, revealing that he made two “feeble” attempts at suicide. (In later years, he said he tried to hang himself with his shirt and guards intervened.) Tellingly, he says he lived in “dread” that his father would find out about the confession. “I still wince,” he writes, “when I recall wondering if my father had heard of my disgrace.”

Here's more.............
Fellow Hanoi prisoner, Dennis Johnson reports that every time he saw McCain, who was generally kept segregated, the man was clean-shaven, dressed in fresh clothes, and appeared comfortable among North Vietnamese Army officers. He adds that he frequently heard McCain’s collaborative statements broadcast over the prison’s loud speakers.

On October 26, 1967, John McCain’s A-4 Skyhawk was shot down over Hanoi. The fractures of 1 leg and both arms were reportedly due to his failure to tuck them in during ejection.  

According to U.S. News & World Report (May 14, 1973), John McCain didn’t wait long before offering military information in return for medical care. While an extraordinary patient at Gi Lam Hospital, he was visited by a number of dignitaries, including, to quote John McCain himself, General Vo Nguyen Giap, the national hero of Dienbienphu.

Jack McLamb is a highly respected name in law enforcement circles. After 9 years of clandestine operations in Cambodia and unmentionable areas, he returned home to Phoenix where he became one of the most decorated police officers on record. Twice McLamb was named Officer of the Year. He went on to become an FBI hostage negotiator. This man has stated that every one of the many former POWs he has talked with consider McCain a traitor.

States McLamb, “He was never tortured…The Vietnamese Communists called him the Songbird, that’s his code name, Songbird McCain, because he just came into the camp singing and telling them everything they wanted to know.” McLamb further quotes former POWs as saying John McCain starred in 32 propaganda videos in which he denounced his country and comrades.

McCain is a survivor, nothing more nothing less! If he wants to set his Vietnam record straight then he should UNSEAL his military records immediately.
 
Posted By: JackDunphy
Yes, Ed was saying McCain was a hero,  NOT simply because he was captured but because he stayed when he was offered his release.  
   
 Thank you for reinforcing the exact point I was making.  
   
   
   
   
 

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Take me totally out of context. I specifically said, in that thread, that capture does NOT constitute the makings of hero.

Quoting myself:

          "I'm not aware of anything about his capture or even being shot down that indicates McCain  
          was a war hero so that statement is true. What was heroic was the comportment he displayed
          as he endured and survived the torture experienced as a POW. "

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=249190&boardID=39&page=#249190

You even responded directly to this post so you can't deny you saw it.

I'll accept your apology anytime.

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...so I couldn't have taken you "totally out of context."  BLOTY much?

One possibility is you're too stupid to follow sequential posts in a thread but the obvious answer is you're to dishonest to admit you're wrong.

I HAVE retired from you except when you lie about things I've posted. I understand how disappointing it must be for you, that I make it impossible for you to openly post your lies. Amazing how pathological you are given the entire thread is there for everyone to read. I guess you could still ask admin to pull it down.

BTW, BLOTY is a noun not a verb.

I don't understand this deification of soldiers that exists in the US, especially of those that are now in a far more important position - surely a far more important metric to judge John McCain on is his abilities currently and in the near future as a politician? I can't help but think that the overwhelming majority of people seem to be arguing over a point that is largely irrelevant; either he can serve the country well now as a politician, or he can't. What label you put on his career in the military has no bearing on that.

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