Another dishonest distorted lie.
He is not running away from anything
He is not running form is last name.
He has had that nickname most all his life Everyone in this country does know that JEB
Is his nickname and that his last name is Bush
And who his father and brother are. Him running from his last name is
the type of bullshit being put forth in BackStabber Weekly
or the Ground-Hog Gazette, but no one thinks or believes he is running
from his last name or anything for that matter.
You’re Welcome
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Santorum, Cruz, Huckabee et al are doing their best to drag the GOP as far to the right as they can, even knowing they don't stand a prayer of getting the nomination.
But how about the left? Is Bernie Sanders going to drag Hillary so far left that she won't be able to come back to the middle in the GE, and thus pave the way for a Jeb Bush to sneak past her into the White House?
Or is Bernie Sanders just lobbying to be sent to Greece, where I am sure they will just love his policies?
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Bernie is not enough of threat to move her, while she also has keep an eye on Jim Webb or others who might sneak past her on the right.
I had MSNBC on earlier today and caught a few minutes of good old Uncle Al and he made a pretty good case for her trying to "out progressive" him. Or at least keep her progressive chops, much the same as the GOP candidates have to keep their conservative chops, and still somehow appeal to the center.
Well, maybe old Al was just engaging in a bit of wishful thinking as you do make a point about Jim Webb. I might even be able to vote for Webb "without" having to hold my nose, Hillary I could possibly end up voting for, but it would take a LOT of nose holding, and I would vote for Willy fucking Wonka before voting for Sanders.
Yes, Hillary is the huge favorite to win the nomination. The question is, with Bernie doing better against her than many had predicted, will that force her to meet/agree with his views in order to not give him any moment and rally her liberal base.
Personally, I think too much is made of where a candidate starts off, as virtually every nominee runs to the base in the primary and back towards the middle in the general.
Both sides will accuse the other of flip flopping but that's just what politicians do. People just expect all of them to posess very little political courage anymore.
I think Hills is vulnerable on her left flank though. She was invincible in 2008 right up until Obama "vinced" her. Dems want to fall in love. They LIKE her, they don't love her. They hope another swoops in and takes their heart. A person like Elizabeth Warren comes to mind.
Jim Webb has zero chance. He is WAY to moderate for the Dem left, similar to Rand Paul on the right, who is too moderate for where the R party is now.
and you are 100% right, it doesn't address my point at all.
As Sanders gets more name recognition, and "If" he continues to gain more support, Hillary may be forced to PROVE that she is indeed a "real" progressive, and that's not the kind of campaign she wants to run.
As for Jim Webb, I think the fact that I could vote for him without holding my nose is all the proof you need that he has no chance. I disagree about Rand Paul, like his father before him, he is not too moderate, he is too BSC.
While I differ with him on some substantive issues, he seems like an intelligent and well meaning person not married to ideology.
Not saying you are wrong but can you give me a few examples of him being BSC?
...His choice in barbers or toupee suppliers (the verdict isn't in).
Actually I like a LOT of his ideas, smaller government, no more war on drugs, getting rid of both Obama Care and The Patriot Act are certainly things I can get behind, but just like his father, and most people who have ever been associated with the Libertarian Party, supporting things like eliminating the Federal Reserve shows he just doesn't think certain positions through.
AS much as we dislike the Federal Reserve, or spending trillions for defense, both are necessary evils, and just like foreign aid, without them our country would immediately lose it's superpower status. That's why I call him BSC, and not because I disagree with all of his positions.
Has he called for its elimination? Not saying you are wrong, I just never heard that before.
but I thought he had. It is entirely possible that he did not.
It's like with "your buddy" Trump. The media has run with the story about all the awful things that Trump said about Mexican Americans, but the truth is not anywhere near as juicy. Don't get me wrong, Trump is still a tool, but the media is guilty of twisting, turning and stretching his words where his original message is now completely lost. Trump said "we are not getting Mexico's best" Well, that is an undeniable fact. To hear the medias version of it you would think that he called every latino in this country either a rapist or a thief.
My point is, I "could" be wrong about Paul saying that, I know for certain that his father has called for the Fed to be completely dissolved, which would makes the likes of RRO VERY happy, but would leave us defenseless against the Chinese among others who have been guilty of both currency dumping AND other manipulations that only a nation state can fight against. Personally I think Bernanke was a genius, a thousand times smarter than his heavy handed predecessor Alan Greenspan
“They’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing their problems. They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime, they’re rapists, and some I assume are good people..."
He made it sound like an organized effort by the Mexican government to foist the dregs of their society upon the US..."They're SENDING people..." Who's "They're?"
"The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else’s problems. … When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
and after rereading the quote, I have changed my mind. I can live with "part" of what he said, but I can not argue that the quote was taken out of context, or that is was not only insulting and inflammatory, but yes he did try to make it sound like a Mariel boat lift on steroids. I retract even my weak defense of what he said.
He made it sound like an organized effort by the Mexican government to foist the dregs of their society upon the US..."They're SENDING people..." Who's "They're?"
...when he said "And some, I ASSUME, are good people" he had a tiny smile on his face and it just wasn't very believable.
His word choice was poor as well. Why couldn't he have just said "And I am certain many of them are good people."
At this rate, he may get less than 0% of the Hispanic vote. lol
Jeb, looks the most Presidential, and he speaks Spanish very well.
I'd be surprised if he isn't the 45 POTUS.
Bernie Sanders is talking politics like a politician should. He's saying and supporting the kind of things that most people want. Really, the left has been begging for this kind of thing for so long, that they've gotten used to never getting it.
Hillary Clinton is a Democrat in name only. She's basically just a mouth piece for Wall Street and various minorities.
Jeb Bush is essentially another Mitt Romney. Voting for Jeb would be like voting for Scrooge McDuck, except his last name is Bush. No, I don't think America will vote for Tweedledee when they've had their fill of Tweedledum.
On the right, you basically have a clown show. Between Huckabee, Cruz, Santorum, and Trump there's no room for anyone who's not a lunatic.
So who will it be? Fuck if I know. The Dems might very well nominate Sanders if things keep going the way they're going. And normally, a candidate like Sanders would be as easy to defeat as Walter Mondale. But if the GOP goes for broke with a clown like Trump or someone just as bad, then Sanders will win.
Either way, the race should be interesting. Kinda like watching cripples in a foot race. All of us will be forced to watch, although none of us really want to.
Hillary Clinton is a Democrat in name only. She's basically just a mouth piece for Wall Street and various minorities.
Jeb Bush is essentially another Mitt Romney. Voting for Jeb would be like voting for Scrooge McDuck, except his last name is Bush. No, I don't think America will vote for Tweedledee when they've had their fill of Tweedledum.
On the right, you basically have a clown show. Between Huckabee, Cruz, Santorum, and Trump there's no room for anyone who's not a lunatic.
So who will it be? Fuck if I know. The Dems might very well nominate Sanders if things keep going the way they're going. And normally, a candidate like Sanders would be as easy to defeat as Walter Mondale. But if the GOP goes for broke with a clown like Trump or someone just as bad, then Sanders will win.
Either way, the race should be interesting. Kinda like watching cripples in a foot race. All of us will be forced to watch, although none of us really want to.
.......All I see are Jeb signs! Why is the Bush name so toxic? If we are in a recession, strong likelihood IMHO before Obama's term ends, who is affected more? Hillary or Clinton?
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Jeb Bush, and Bush is repeated over and over again. 
Or is it that there is any voter in the county who doesn't know that Jeb is GW's brother?
If its any other candidate other than Hillary, it wont matter because Jeb will destroy them.
If its Hillary, it wont really matter because of her bad last name as well.
Much too much is being made of the Bush last name. People will either vote for him because he thinks he will bring the much needed change the country wants or they wont vote for him because they don't think he can.
See if they're convinced!
While Hillary's own name might get dragged through the mud, her husband remains quite popular. I don't think that Hillary needs to worry about the Clinton name anywhere near as much as Jeb has baggage with the Bush name. The only people that really have much of a problem with Bill Clinton seem to be the social conservatives who are still all butt hurt about him lying about getting a blow job. Yes, he lied to the entire country about it afterwards, but most of the country really don't give a fuck and the ones that do would NEVER vote for ANY democrat anyhow.
Now can Jeb Bush rise above the Bush last name? Only time will tell, but I think if he can win the nomination without getting too bloody, or having to completely sell out to the hard right, yes I think he has a very legitimate chance of beating the Hildabeast.
And if Bush did win the nomination, I would go all in with women and Hispanics. Susanna Martinez as VP? Good, formidable ticket.
She's no Palin, actually has a head on her shoulders, is very popular and heads a Blue state that would look nice in the R column.
..............than are the Bush years. Should 2016 become a referendum on the question of whether Clinton's presidency 1993–2001 was a better era than Bush's presidency 2001–2009, Clinton will win handily. Likewise, if the battle is between the “First Woman President” and the “Third Bush President,” Clinton will prevail IMHO.
Now can Jeb Bush rise above the Bush last name? Only time will tell, but I think if he can win the nomination without getting too bloody, or having to completely sell out to the hard right, yes I think he has a very legitimate chance of beating the Hildabeast.
Both of them let the Dems frame the issues, and both were constantly reacting to the Dems and not the other way around. Especially Romney, he was running against a very vulnerable incumbent, with some rather lukewarm support. McCain had not shot, not with the anti GOP sentiment at the time, the best he could have done would have been to "lose closer" Mitt could have and should have won if not for several strategic blunders on his part.
Jeb (if nominated of course) will need to make the election about Jeb vs Hillary. Not Bill Clinton against George Bush. Jeb has more charisma, has less personal baggage, and is just a lot easier to root for than Hillary, who is severely lacking in the personality department.
Bush just needs to avoid the "I am a true conservative" trap that is so easy to fall into. If he gets bogged down on social issues like so many Reps before him, he will lose and lose badly.
...Why is he running away from his last name?
That's doesn't like a winnable strategy to me, as I have pointed out that everyone knows who his brother is.
Dems tried to link GWB to GHWB and GW won twice.
point out the Jeb won't use his last name, he is doing what the whole Republican party has done since GW left office!
Again, you can speculate all you want, but tell that to Jeb's handlers. They are the one's who are making it look like he doesn't want to use his last name, and most people understand why!
Another dishonest distorted lie.
He is not running away from anything
John Ellis Bush = JEB
He is not running form is last name.
He has had that nickname most all his life
Everyone in this country does know that JEB
Is his nickname and that his last name is Bush
And who his father and brother are.
Him running from his last name is
the type of bullshit being put forth in BackStabber Weekly
or the Ground-Hog Gazette, but no one thinks or believes he is running
from his last name or anything for that matter.
You’re Welcome
2016 = GOP All The Wa
...people knowing his last name and Jeb running away from his name are two different things. Another dishonest, distorted lie.
Jeb doesn't want people to be reminded of his last name. Of course, certain people need constant reminders or else they'll forget. Like certain old geezers in Florida who like to "snatch a kiss and vice versa: