Politics and Religion

Re: "Fatti Maschii-Parole Femine!"
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The Union had slave states in their ranks as well, so that shoots down the idea that the civil war was just about slavery. The Union went with the anti-slavery message in order to get blacks and others who believed in anti-slavery to join the union ranks. Blacks out number whites in much of the south, so it makes sense from a clearly military perspective that if you can turn just a small percentage of them into fighting for your cause as spies, troops, and cutting the south supplies (you  don't have food or clothes when there is no one out in the field slaving for you) it would lead to victory. Speaking from what I know about my local area there was plenty of union troops that did not give a damn about blacks or the anti-slavery cause, but went will the follow of the Union government message because it allowed them not to be sent to the front lines.  

My opinion on the star and bars representst the support of government that did not view blacks as people, but just property. This is my view point as black male because if the south had won I would be in chains and enslaved. What some people overlook that there were blacks fighting for the south and in the those cases they had made local deals to get themselves off the auction block and then others was so brainwashed from the craddle to grave enslavement they thought it was in their best interest to fight for their "beloved Masters." For all those who support the star and bars I would ask them a simple question: would you agree for you and your famliy to be governed by the laws of the confederate states marking you and them as an enslaved people

For those the support the star and bars it seems, from my viewpoint, they do it because they family was not enslaved by that government, so they don't see any sense of shame toward the good old stars and bars. As soon as I mention how I would be effect if the south had one, they quickly say to me that they are not like that but can understand my view on the stars and bars.  
 
Posted By: meinarsche
 
   
 “We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the US public believes is false.“   ~  William J. Casey, 1981  
   
   
   
 "Fatti Maschii-Parole Femine?"  
   
 Which, when loosely translated from the original italian proverb, is: Manly deeds~Womanly Words.    
   
 It is the current and perrenial (since the early years of the 16th century) state motto of Maryland.  A few years ago, a group of local 3rd wave feminists got their collective noses bent out of shape and created a short-lived brouhaha about the presence of this motto on the state flag and seal of the State of Maryland and demanded that it be removed from any and all of the official symbols of Maryland claiming that it was "sexist," and that it “belongs to a misogynistic and politically highly incorrect tradition.”  
   
 To all of which I offer a hale and hearty, 'Toughski Shitski!", which, when translated from the original Polish is: 'Tough Shit!'  
   
 Turns out that the seal of Maryland is a shameless copy of the coat of arms of the Calvert family, specifically George Calvert, the First Lord Baltimore who was instrumental in the founding of Maryland---way back when both men and women wore shoes and hats with buckles on them. The whole affair amounted to nothing more that another pointless exercise in historical revision in the guise of correcting a non-existent, imaginary historical wrong and an idiotic attempt to rail against a meaningless target.  
   
 I see much of the same misplaced fervor happening in the current, ongoing attempt of various southern politicians to distance themselves from the "Stars and Bars" Confederate flag.  This particular brouhaha stems from the historical revision that the Civil War was caused and conducted around the issue of slavery, i.e., "the noble, virtuous industrial Union states fought to end slavery , while the lowdown, dastardly, agricultural Southern slaveowners fought for it to continue."  The revisionists go on to assert that the flag is a symbol that represents an endorsement of slavery, Jim Crow, the KKK and the status of blacks as second-class citizens suffered during the racist system, and that the continued existence of the flag is an insult to all the living decendants of  souther slaves.  
   
 Like many of the products of historical revision, nothing could be further from the truth.  
   
 The causes surrounding sucession and the American Civil War were issues of state's rights, trade tariffs, nullification of unjust Federal Law and Abraham Lincoln's peculiar view of the southern states as a dependant satrapy, inferior to the values and interests of the northern states.  "Southerners argued that the federal government was strictly limited and could not abridge the rights of states as reserved in the Tenth Amendment." (wikipedia)  Conversely, neither the abolition of slavery nor the granting of the voting franchise to blacks were the goals of the northern states at the war's beginning.  
   
 Currently, the Stars and Bars are integral to the Flags of Georgia, South Carolina and Mississippi.  Controversy is perennial between the two sides surrounding the issue: on the one side it is claimed as a proud symbol of Southern heritage while on the other side it is portrayed as a symbol of the KKK and slavery.  I've noticed that sleazy politicians tend to seize on the idea that it is a hideous  symbol of repression as a bit of theater in pursuit of a cause celebre'.  They wear their unction and disgust toward the flag as proof of their liberal "street cred" while they continue to do absolutely nothing that would actually improve the lives of their black constituents.  
   
 Getting back to Maryland for a moment, I would point out that the official state song of Maryland (Maryland my Maryland-sung to the tune of an old German Christmans song "Oh Tannenbaum, Mein Tannenbaum") calls President Abraham Lincoln a “despot” and a “tyrant,” and the Union forces “Northern scum.”  Old traditions can be embarrasing and sometimes need to either be changed or, at least tolerated with a smile.

Apparently he authorized a change in the state flag that commemorates the CSA.
I don't like the flag and it should be removed from public buildings. But doing that is not going to do away with racism,bigotry and hate.It's symbolic.Is it going to change peoples minds? The amount of attention the media is giving this is way out of proportion.

Everything has a 90 minute customary news cycle. Then, it simply vanishes into thin year, which is the problem with our society today. Created, talked and killed useless talking heads.

...the only ones who deal in absolutes are cop-hating libs ("ALL cops are crooked").

Yet you are absolutely sure the flag is coming down.  SC Gov. Haley has no authority to take down the flag.  She can't even order it to be flown at half-staff.  It has to be proudly flown at a height of 30 feet.

In 2000, SC passed a compromise law that moved the flag from the top of the state capitol building to another place on the grounds but it also required a two-thirds vote to make any future changes to the law.

Have you counted the votes?  Are you absolutely sure they can get a supermajority of redneck Republicans to vote to remove the Stars and Bars?  It will take a two-thirds majority of both SC houses to take down the flag.

Most likely, the law requiring a supermajority is unconstitutional.  The SC legislature can pass a vote by a simple majority to repeal the 2000 law.  Then the two laws would have to be reconciled by the courts.  Saying the flag is coming down may technically be true, but it ain't happening tomorrow as you make it sound

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Posted By: JackDunphy
And haven't you had enough trouble lately with your dishonesty?

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Posted By: nuguy46
 
   
Posted By: JackDunphy
And haven't you had enough trouble lately with your dishonesty?

...not an absolute statement of what will absolutely happen.  I see, when you say it, it's a prediction.  OK, "ALL cops are crooked" is also a prediction because eventually all cops will do something crooked

...in the air to see which way the wind was blowing and then jumping on the bandwagon.  Now that Gov. Haley and Sens. Graham and Scott are changing their tune about the Confederate flag, let's see if their fellow Republicans will criticize them for not sticking to their guns.  Nah, they'll just say they have "evolved" or become "enlightened."

GaGambler249 reads

How about we call out Obama for changing his stance of gay marriage (to the right side of the issue I might add) and then in the same breath we can call out Haley and Graham for doing the exact same thing about the Confederate flay?

I have ZERO problems calling out BOTH sides for being lying cheating politicians, not to mention opportunists. Who else wants to call out both sides for the same behavior?

...BWAHAHAHAHA, I'm full of shit!

 

Posted By: GaGambler
How about we call out Obama for changing his stance of gay marriage (to the right side of the issue I might add) and then in the same breath we can call out Haley and Graham for doing the exact same thing about the Confederate flay?  
   
 I have ZERO problems calling out BOTH sides for being lying cheating politicians, not to mention opportunists. Who else wants to call out both sides for the same behavior?

GaGambler194 reads

That's my way of saying "you got me" on that one. lmao

GaGambler196 reads

Lindsey did not "change his mind" he is simply bowing to political pressure. I can't imagine too many righties trying to claim otherwise, but I am sure at least some of them will prove me wrong.

So was it a crazy, stupid racist maniac that killed those people or was it a piece of rag we call a flag?
 
I do not know the meaning of it. I'm not Southern. But were the Duke Boys racist?  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qogVHlmFcx0  
 
are these guys racists too:  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T9n1bvjzrM&list=PLC58315789DFFB449  
 
Don't get me wrong. I'm not pro flag:  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHSCylVSVnA  
 
I just don't get what all the fuss is about.  
 
By the way I never saw a Black character in the Dukes of Hazzard.

It is always been a symbolism because as a an young country, civilizational depth is non-existent and symbolism became a substitute.  

Removing Confederate rag is nothing more than a political stunt to get attention. One can only wish, it is as easy as changing a piece cloth with colors to change the deep rooted bigotry and racism in people’s minds!

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