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Posted By: Provider4U
If he asks for a "special" (aka discount), he moves onto my Do Not See list.
I was once a regular client of someone.  She raised her rates and didn't grandfather me in, so I stopped seeing her.  Years later we were talking (we had remained friends) and she asked why I had stopped seeing her.  I told her it was because she had raised her rates beyond what I had to spend.  You know what she said?  "I wish you had told me.  I would have kept you at the same rate."  Except I had been trained by people on this board (and others) to never try to negotiate, or ask for a discount.

So, on one hand we get some women who say "If you try to negotiate or offer me less, we are done." and on the other hand we get women who say "If you had told me, we could have worked something out."

How is a guy supposed to get anywhere when 2 women will have such completely different reactions to the same topic.

Obviously, I am not talking about some loser who has never seen you trying to negotiate a cheaper rate.  I would block them immediately as well. But if you have a regular client and they ask about a discount, I think putting them on the do not see list is extreme.  It's easy enough to say "Sorry, honey, no, I don't offer birthday specials."  Hell, you might not need to add him to the Do Not See list because he may put you on his Do Not See list and go see someone else who appreciate his business more.

I don't ask for discounts or specials and find it generally offensive when a guy complains about a girls rates.  But it's not a black and white situation where it's always inappropriate.

Hi All,

First off, apologies for this "cast a net" type of post, they tend to annoy me, but it's been years since I called NYC home and I am out of the loop with who's who.  

Now, with that said :) I will be in NYC in a few weeks for my birthday (April 22) and am wondering if any companions offer birthday specials? Any local favorites that you can recommend would be much appreciated. No physical prerequisites, just someone who is cool as hell.  

Thanks in advance!

Generally speaking, specials are something that are offered to loyal customers.  If you want a birthday discount, you should see if someone you see regularly offer such. But most women aren't going to offer a discount to a stranger just because it's his birthday.  Especially someone who is traveling and won't become a regular.

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Am I the only provider who gets mega-peeved by this "birthday special" question?

I'm already taking very special care of a man at my current rate.  

If he asks for a "special" (aka discount), he moves onto my Do Not See list.

This has always bothered me a bit.  Fundamentally I see the provider and client as two people in a negotiation.  She has a service, and he has money.  It may be that the "he" in question tends to be thoughtful and a real gentlemen.  He may be more so than most "other clients".  Perhaps he brings gifts.  Perhaps he treats her better than most other guys.  Consequently she is happy to see him whenever he asks for an appointment.  Maybe he knows that on any given day, he is a more polite, thoughtful, nicer guy than the typical client.  So maybe he inquires if she would consider a discount.  She is certainly able to say no.  And if she asks, and she says no, he has to decide if he wants to continue to see her at her full rate.  Why should the guy be put on an immediate do not see list?  I had to see a surgeon once for an operation and we discussed his fee.  It was pretty high.  I found other competent surgeons who charged less.  I asked him for a discount on his fee.  He declined, but did not tell me to take my business elsewhere.  I liked his professional manner and his confidence so I stayed with him and everything worked out fine.  It was a fee for service business.  He was certainly allowed to say no to my request for a discount and did.  But there were no hard feelings and it all worked out in the end.  Just food for thought.

Posted By: Provider4U
If he asks for a "special" (aka discount), he moves onto my Do Not See list.
I was once a regular client of someone.  She raised her rates and didn't grandfather me in, so I stopped seeing her.  Years later we were talking (we had remained friends) and she asked why I had stopped seeing her.  I told her it was because she had raised her rates beyond what I had to spend.  You know what she said?  "I wish you had told me.  I would have kept you at the same rate."  Except I had been trained by people on this board (and others) to never try to negotiate, or ask for a discount.

So, on one hand we get some women who say "If you try to negotiate or offer me less, we are done." and on the other hand we get women who say "If you had told me, we could have worked something out."

How is a guy supposed to get anywhere when 2 women will have such completely different reactions to the same topic.

Obviously, I am not talking about some loser who has never seen you trying to negotiate a cheaper rate.  I would block them immediately as well. But if you have a regular client and they ask about a discount, I think putting them on the do not see list is extreme.  It's easy enough to say "Sorry, honey, no, I don't offer birthday specials."  Hell, you might not need to add him to the Do Not See list because he may put you on his Do Not See list and go see someone else who appreciate his business more.

I don't ask for discounts or specials and find it generally offensive when a guy complains about a girls rates.  But it's not a black and white situation where it's always inappropriate.

"Hey gimme a discount" wont work for most guys. LOL

But I have found if you have open communication and mutual respect, many things that are considered "taboo" here are often not so.

If a gal thinks you have her best interest in mind, and are willing to bend on a few things, many times a mutually beneficial deal can be worked out.

The "I don't ever negotiate" is an attempt to ward off the one offs, one hour dudes from slamming the gals inbox with below stated offers. I get that.  

But these rules just don't apply to how many other people play this game. You and many others here have been trained that ALL negotiating is bad but it just isn't.  

So many factors to consider but at the end of the day, most will act like an adult and make a decision based on several needs and money per hour being just one of them. there is a bigger picture in many cases

Over the years, I have never asked for a discount, either, yet a couple of my faves raised their rates significantly.  Those increases never applied to me by her say so, and these were/are ongoing relationships.  I've found that once you are established with them, just about anything can happen...and you'll find that you talk with them about just about anything as well.  Just don't be unreasonable with them, and NEVER discuss the monetary aspects unless she brings it up.  

There was one time where one my friends offered a c-note discount in her TER ad several years ago, and paid at my normal rate without mentioning.  I've also heard that asking for discounts, off-menu items, and such, usually will backfire.  If such things are in the offing, let them tell you.  

As for your experience, sorry to hear.  Hope you were able to work things out...I suspect in your case, it had a positive outcome.

They run a birthday special for half off. Not a shill just answering a question that was asked.  If anyone does not like that I answered the question then please go jump in a lake.

My one experience asking for a discount. She's not reviewed here by me.  

I wrote a women who I wanted to see who I couldn't afford an email introducing myself around Christmas. I think she had four reviews at the time. I told her why I wanted to see her and that I couldn't afford her rate but to remember my name. To my surprise she told me to call her on her phone we started talking and I told her I just lost my job and I was stressed out. She came back with I liked your email and you sound cute what would you be comfortable paying. We agreed to a number more than half of what she charged everyone else. I have since seen this women five times since I tip her and bring her gifts every time I see her. I never forgot that she helped me when I needed it the most. Sometimes it doesn't hurt to give a break. I was never the guy with the endless cash flow.  

The next women I am seeing who will read this knows I'm saving to see her.  

I haven't done this move since but girls like her are rear in this world. She's now a top 20 provider in NY.  

I'm not telling anyone what to do but sometimes the guy who asks for the discount is the guy who really needs a break.  

If she said nothing I would have seen her eventually but I need to save to see the top of the line provider which is the only provider I want to see now.  

 

 

Posted By: tim422
Hi All,  
   
 First off, apologies for this "cast a net" type of post, they tend to annoy me, but it's been years since I called NYC home and I am out of the loop with who's who.  
   
 Now, with that said :) I will be in NYC in a few weeks for my birthday (April 22) and am wondering if any companions offer birthday specials? Any local favorites that you can recommend would be much appreciated. No physical prerequisites, just someone who is cool as hell.  
   
 Thanks in advance!

Just to chime in:

There is no harm in asking, worst thing she can do is say no or ignore you.  Best thing is she can take you up on your offer.  Otherwise you probably wouldn't see her anyways so no loss on your part  

Then again today is Equal Pay day:
Hopefully they make prostitution legal so women can finally make 40cents less than their male counterparts. And then they can bitch and moan about only being offered less than 200$ since male escorts makes peanuts.

Some ladies are already overpaid for shitty service and sub par beauty.  So quit whining about how un-gentlemen-ly it is to ask.

 
But don't worry these same "ladies" only bargain or ask about better prices when they need services ( the non sexual kind ) themselves or when they go shopping.  But that's lady-like to them

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P.S. I'm not surprised that you experience "shitty service and sub par beauty"---since you see ladies who accept negotiation! ;)

landlord it's my bday give me a discount.  

As for you my friend you sound jaded. Yikes. What did women do to you.

I cannot fathom asking for a discount or otherwise negotiating with a provider.  I agree with provider4u and Lauren that the hobby is not a mere market place, and when you enter into this very intimate relationship, trying shave a few bucks off is going to change the dynamic and ruin the experience for both parties.  If a provider signals that the interaction is purely a transaction, the man is going to be very unhappy;  likewise if the guy treats the experience merely as a transaction then the woman will be rightfully turned off.  In some cases it may be a shared illusion, but that is whole point of the exercise: the creation of an temporary intimate relationship which eschews all the other trappings that society imposes on intimate relationships.  I for one am very grateful to have the opportunity of intimacy with beautiful and and intelligent women that would be unlikely under any other scenario, and have no quarrel with the initial opportunity cost.  In nearly four decades of the hobby I can count the number of times I felt that the experience to be purely transactional on one hand; now that can be a tribute to the skills of the women I have encountered, or ascribed to the fact that I am a particularly charming and wonderful guy, but the reality does not matter (and I suspect the reason is the former rather than the later).    I have no doubt that some will comment that market forces enter into a woman's decision as to setting her compensation, but that is solely her choice, just as a man is free to decline to engage her services at a particular rate.  Indeed, the client needs to set a price point that makes economic sense for him, and if he cannot afford a particular individual, he needs to chose a different price point that works on his comfort level.  Arrangements, as mentioned by JackDunphy, are a completely different matter as these are bespoke situations which require discussion to establish parameters on both sides.      

    As to munchinmuffin's hypothetical "perfect client", a client who does act appropriately and with respect, and who makes the provider feel that the experience is not merely a transaction, will benefit from the appreciation of the provider in ways which will far exceed a mere quotidian discount.

Indeed  
It is exactly how I feel and taking in to consideration booking( or not booking) each particular date.

Very nice and deep and human explanation of the hobby dynamics.

You post was as healing balm to wounds.

Can breathe now and smile. I am sure many women appreciate your post as well. And I wish more gentlemen would share your views and approaches

 

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Agree completely.
The provider sets the terms, if you can't accept them find something else to do. Haggling makes me embarrassed on everyone's behalf. A punter who haggles tells the world two things: His opinion of himself (inflated) and of the provider (just a whore who should shut up and comply)

Book a lady as you normally would. When you book, do not tell her it's your birthday present to yourself. When you meet, and *after* you pay her the regular fee up front, let her know during the course of conversation that this is your present to yourself. A quality companion who prides herself in giving great service will make sure you have a memorable celebration, one worth far more than any discount you might have haggled.

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